Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Larianshill]

Only a week until we find out if the game flopped or not.

 

[Semiurge]

Ah, here we are.

 

[Vyvian]

“The game contains some sexual material: characters kissing, moaning, and straddling each other; characters caressing each other while in their underwear; dialogue referencing sex (e.g., "Think about us having sex”; “Are you trying to have sex with me?"). Characters are sometimes depicted topless for prolonged periods of time (e.g., character customization) and/or during love scenes. The word “f**k” appears in the game.”

From the ESRB rating summary

I'm usually a big fan of sexual content in games but I think I'll pass on this one.
Shit's gonna look like two bobblehead dolls crashing together.

 

[Tyranicon]

The good thing about Andromeda is it wasn't able to retroactively ruin Mass Effect since it was entirely self-contained. And even then, it did basically put the IP on a backburner.

DA Purpleguard already produced a vitriolic response from a significant chunk of the DA playerbase before launch. I've never seen a studio so visibly and unmistakably throw away its entire audience over the course of 15 years in pursuit of a new one.

It's a perfect representation of this frequently-posted comic:

 

[Larianshill]

Do Veilguard and 2 really have different audiences? Veilguard and Cisquisition?

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

2 was made for Xbox 360 dudebros

Veilguard is made for LGBTQ faggots

 

[Cryomancer]

Do Veilguard and 2 really have different audiences?

Yes, 2 audience :

Failguard audience :

 

[processdaemon]

I'm not planning on getting it myself but I'm starting to think that it might do better than I was originally thinking it would in terms of player count, mostly on console but also because of the deals they have going for it. Anecdotally I know a few people who said they wouldn't have gotten it at full price who are doing the GeForce Now deal or getting an EA Play Pro sub for a month to try it, so I'd be interested to see the breakdown of where the players come from when that eventually surfaces.

 

[Larianshill]

You think this is aimed at the Halo audience?

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

 

[Cryomancer]

You think this is aimed at the Halo audience?

2 gives this option to you but don't "force" like failguard.

2 development in nutshell :

 

[kapisi]

You think this is aimed at the Halo audience?

This is where the seeds for the current preorder audience were sown.

Awesome button and development time issues aside, DA2 managed to have some dark and political themes. Political in the classical sense. Presentation and resolution is another matter.

Fenris was a tolerable edgelord, not excessively whiny. The voice actor carried him too. Alas, girls wanted to fix him and here we are.

 

[MerchantKing]

You think this is aimed at the Halo audience?

2 gives this option to you but don't "force" like failguard.

2 development in nutshell :

So I can press any button and something awesome will happen?

 

[Arvennios]

You think this is aimed at the Halo audience?

Killing Fenris and Anders was satisfying, I liked the "rival" system in Dragon Age 2, very underrated and should be used more and improved upon in party-based RPGs, my Hawke got along well with some party members, but had conflicting relationships with others, which ended up turning into bitter rivalry and hatred, culminating with the death of some of the said characters at the hands of the protagonist.

The game not only allowed you to kill the said characters, but acknowledged it and integrated it to the story-line, not a happy one by the way, as underdeveloped as it was, it was dark and bleak.

It was also hard to "game" the system, because it was slow and gradual, and your decisions and dialogue choices always displeased some of your party members.

If we can build up friendships and romance, then why not antagonism, if we have different values and opposing world views ? Having a common goal doesn't make these differences go away. It was a nice touch and a welcome break from the lovey-dovey merry band of brothers that we get as "party members" in most other RPGs.

 

[Shaja]

Do Veilguard and 2 really have different audiences?

Yes, 2 audience :

Failguard audience :

Maaaaybe EA wanted DA2 to have a wider audience by having a more brainless game. But instead, it made one of the biggest women fanbase in videogame history, somehow.

 

[Konjad]

Maaaaybe EA wanted DA2 to have a wider audience by having a more brainless game. But instead, it made one of the biggest women fanbase in videogame history, somehow.

Link to the source?

 

[Skinwalker]

Killing Anders was satisfying

It really wasn't, they kept him around long enough for him to go full terrorist to kick-start their mage vs templar war that got quickly swept under the rug in Cisquisition. Killing him after that was not very satisfying.

 

[kapisi]

Dude, what if

What if Anders is, like, a metaphor? You know. For the whole series.

Smooth womanizer who rejects being shackled for his nature... Makes a pact with a spirit of Justice to survive... and turns into an increasingly preachy omnisexual who ends up doing stupid shit.

Bro

 

[Larianshill]

Dude, what if

What if Anders is, like, a metaphor? You know. For the whole series.

Smooth womanizer who rejects being shackled for his nature... Makes a pact with a spirit of Justice to survive... and turns into an increasingly preachy omnisexual who ends up doing stupid shit.

Bro

Holy shit.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

NuBioware is much more fun.

 

[Pink Eye]

 

[Hedasd]

Do Veilguard and 2 really have different audiences? Veilguard and Cisquisition?

2 and Inquisition have a single group of fans right now and they are all excited for Vileguard and hate Origins to the point of vowing to never actually playing it while defending upcoming game on social media as diehard Dragon Age fans. Many of those people became fans of the franchise years after the last dlc for Inquisition came out and made it part of their identity politics through hardcore mental gymnastics. Anyone else that cared about the series moved on after Biowares last two masterpieces. Except me but Im kind of retarded and still had hope up until 3 months ago.

For the past 3 or 4 years they have also been spamming anytime news about Dragon Age comes out about how second game was actually good. These people are beyond mentally ill at this point because Dragon Age 2 is quite possibly one of the worst games ever made, and Im saying this as a fan of the series. Its not even a game honestly, its a concept of a game.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

characters caressing each other while in their underwear;

This lame shit is what happens when you don't have the balls to include explicit and gratuitous sexual content.

Imagine being afraid of losing half your audience and being ass-blasted off consoles.

Ironically The Witcher beat them with this - while Bioware's romances were still in the teehee handholding stuff, in twitcher you could go full plap plap get pregnant mode

It’s what makes BioWare’s prudishness all the more perplexing. It wouldn’t even be BioWare boldly going into uncharted territory, bigger games than anything BioWare has ever done already went out there and showed it’s safe to have sex scenes and show nudity. I could get BioWare keeping things PG-13 if they were making T rated games, but they’re not, they make M rated games, so they may as well use that M rating.

 

[MerchantKing]

characters caressing each other while in their underwear;

This lame shit is what happens when you don't have the balls to include explicit and gratuitous sexual content.

Imagine being afraid of losing half your audience and being ass-blasted off consoles.

Ironically The Witcher beat them with this - while Bioware's romances were still in the teehee handholding stuff, in twitcher you could go full plap plap get pregnant mode

It’s what makes BioWare’s prudishness all the more perplexing. It wouldn’t even be BioWare boldly going into uncharted territory, bigger games than anything BioWare has ever done already went out there and showed it’s safe to have sex scenes and show nudity. I could get BioWare keeping things PG-13 if they were making T rated games, but they’re not, they make M rated games, so they may as well use that M rating.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to use that M-rating anymore.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Imagine the trepidation at Bioware to release this thing seeing as how there's 0 positivity going on around it. I wonder how EA allowed them to create this monstrosity when it would've been obvious from the concept stage that it's going to be awful. The suits must be severely out of touch (which won't surprise me). It's too bad EA can't even profit off of their evil ways.

Every story we’ve ever heard about BioWare’s time at EA sounds like EA is largely hands off with BioWare.

The only real stories about EA higher ups I can think of “recently” involving BioWare is someone at EA is the reason BioWare didn’t cut flying from Anthem, (so the thing people liked most about that game is only there because of EA) and the CEO seeing this game and saying “At least your load times are great.” after the person presenting the game instantly died during a demo.

My guess would be that given EA’s bad reputation, and BioWare in the 2000s having a good reputation with the online gaming crowd that would get EA voted worst company in America, (over companies that actually killed people) that EA largely just stayed hands off with them. BioWare made them money, and BioWare made them look good to do degree. BioWare has had some big blunders, but Inquisition was a surprise hit for BioWare, so EA staying hands off with them returning to Dragon Age wouldn’t be completely crazy. It’s win win for EA either way; if it’s a success EA looks good and it’s good for EA, if it’s a failure EA can safely shut down BioWare with much online backlash.