From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

[Lutte]

tbh if the broken multiplayer in ER can get the segment of honor duellist MLG metal-level pvpers off souls games for good I consider it a win

no more discussion about muhhwahmbulance balance wahaa

 

[toro]

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[SumDrunkGuy]

Dude I so want to kill that knight who is always guarding Tanith. His armor and sword look super badass. I WANT IT! Game wont let me attack him though god damit.

 

[Sunri]

Dude I so want to kill that knight who is always guarding Tanith. His armor and sword look super badass. I WANT IT! Game wont let me attack him though god damit.

Isn't he just crucible knight?

 

[Cromwell]

Dude I so want to kill that knight who is always guarding Tanith. His armor and sword look super badass. I WANT IT! Game wont let me attack him though god damit.

Isn't he just crucible knight?

not a normal one he has some antler on the helmet or soemthing, its a slightly different set. but there are other enemies like him (to everyones suprise)

e:

I assume he means volcano manor hence the no attack part

 

[SumDrunkGuy]

Isn't he just crucible knight?

not a normal one he has some antler on the helmet or soemthing, its a slightly different set. but there are other enemies like him (to everyones suprise)

e:

I assume he means volcano manor hence the no attack part

Yeah he looks way cooler than a regular crucible knight. The things on his helmet are blades. Kinda looks like Shredder from teenage mutant ninja turtles. I wiki'd it and apparently you can fight him later on but it doesn't sound like you get his gear

 

[Old Hans]

state the night of black knives happened long after the shattering

I wondered that too. im guessing its been hundred of years. reminds me of Tolkien's immortals who can sit around for 800 human years plotting their next move, but to them its like 1 week

 

[Silva]

I think they explicitly state the night of black knives happened long after the shattering,

Wait, what? It was the night of black knives which prompted Marika to get desperate and shatter the elden ring and subsequently provoke the shattering, no? The chonologic order would be something like:

Night of black dicks > Marika destroys elden ring and vanishes > demi-gods fight for shards of the ring > Shattering ensues

No?

 

[Lutte]

"The Shattering" when used as a term in the game refers to a war, "The Shattering" isn't the shattering of the ring but the war between the demigods, which shattered order and prompted the Great Will to abandon the demi gods and the Lands Between.
The world still had the grace of the Will even after Marika destroyed the ring, it only lost it when the demigods waged war.

The night of the black knives happened way before The Shattering.

By the way the talk about Marika destroying the ring out of butthurt that she lost a son is an instance of obvious unreliable narration. The Blacksmith has always been tasked with the job of making a weapon that can slay a god, a task given to him by.. Queen Marika. And there's many instances like these that make it seem she had wanted to destroy the golden order all along. In a way, Ranni is just continuing what Marika was preparing for. "Marika went mad for her son" is the common plebe's belief, while the truth underneath is that Marika didn't want to be a puppet of the great will anymore, just like Ranni killed her own body and slew her two fingers when you give her the fingerslayer blade. A lot of people in this world that are more in the know of what is beneath order despise it.

 

[Olinser]

Don't use any Soreseal talismans. It's probably the main reason why many people - including myself - had difficulty with some bosses.

On the wiki it says that it increases damage with 15% but I think it's wrong: the decrease in resistances is much higher than 15% -> it's more like 40%.

Yeah more like half. You can easily see it stat tab. Definitely not worth it for the +5 to stats or whatever.

Also most people use the Godrick's rune for the stats but Morgott's rune is the best, it's like +500 extra HP when you pop the arc.

Godrick still gives more total HP. Depending on level, +5 Vigor already gives 150-300 HP, and then Godrick gives significantly more HP saved over the life of your flasks due to the increased defense and weight allowance, not to mention the SIGNFIICANT damage increase for weapons, particularly if you have 3 stats. Even in the midgame its +50 damage. And that's not even starting to talk about sorcery.

Godrick is so much better than any of the other runes it isn't even funny.

 

[toro]

Don't use any Soreseal talismans. It's probably the main reason why many people - including myself - had difficulty with some bosses.

On the wiki it says that it increases damage with 15% but I think it's wrong: the decrease in resistances is much higher than 15% -> it's more like 40%.

Yeah more like half. You can easily see it stat tab. Definitely not worth it for the +5 to stats or whatever.

Also most people use the Godrick's rune for the stats but Morgott's rune is the best, it's like +500 extra HP when you pop the arc.

Godrick still gives more total HP. Depending on level, +5 Vigor already gives 150-300 HP, and then Godrick gives significantly more HP saved over the life of your flasks due to the increased defense and weight allowance, not to mention the SIGNFIICANT damage increase for weapons, particularly if you have 3 stats. Even in the midgame its +50 damage. And that's not even starting to talk about sorcery.

Godrick is so much better than any of the other runes it isn't even funny.

Yeah. Godrick Great Rune is better.

 

[Silva]

"The Shattering" when used as a term in the game refers to a war, "The Shattering" isn't the shattering of the ring but the war between the demigods, which shattered order and prompted the Great Will to abandon the demi gods and the Lands Between.
The world still had the grace of the Will even after Marika destroyed the ring, it only lost it when the demigods waged war.

The night of the black knives happened way before The Shattering.

By the way the talk about Marika destroying the ring out of butthurt that she lost a son is an instance of obvious unreliable narration. The Blacksmith has always been tasked with the job of making a weapon that can slay a god, a task given to him by.. Queen Marika. And there's many instances like these that make it seem she had wanted to destroy the golden order all along. In a way, Ranni is just continuing what Marika was preparing for. "Marika went mad for her son" is the common plebe's belief, while the truth underneath is that Marika didn't want to be a puppet of the great will anymore, just like Ranni killed her own body and slew her two fingers when you give her the fingerslayer blade. A lot of people in this world that are more in the know of what is beneath order despise it.

Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, it seems Marika was already disillusioned by the golden order before losing her firstborn. Perhaps it was the final nail in the coffin.

 

[Lutte]

On the topic of the great will and outer gods, while most of the information is vague, we know enough to know that there's almost no one on the side of the great will among the truly important people.

The Gloam Eyed Queen and its godskin faction's entire focus was making things to slay gods.
Ranni, backed by the dark moon.
Miquela and Malenia, who tried to build an artificial Erdtree that was out of the jurisdiction of the great will. (Malenia, on a side note, is affliced by the power of rot, not out of her own choice, but it's something that emanates from an unnamed sealed Outer God).
Rykard's Volcano Manor pretty much tell you as soon as you step in it that their goal is to fuck with anything the great will wants, they hunt tarnished not because they despise tarnished people per se but because the great will called them to do its bidding.
Godrick, I would call unaligned. He cares about nothing but himself and seeks a world in which he is the only man of power.
Radahn is also unaligned, but where Godrick is the dark, Radahn is the light. An idiotic brute with a heart of gold, protecting his territory from outer space invasions.
Mohg joined hands with another outer god, the Formless Mother, and seeks to turn Miquela into a puppet god.
That leaves.. Morgott. Morgott is incredibly hell bent on maintaining the status quo. I think of him as a really badly written character because I can't make sense of any possible motivation, he has a backstory of a fell omen, existences that were rejected by most of the world because of superstitions, a person like him should have been a born rebel, rather than a soldier of Order, and the game does nothing to justify him being a simp for order.

If you think about it.. when you first encounter the two fingers and the person interpreting its will, they were indeed extremely enthusiastic about the fact that they want you to kill all demi gods.
If you chose to rebuild the elden ring, no matter which order you pick for its mending, you're basically just a puppet who has never thought for themselves. The Great Will doesn't really seem to care if you curse the entire world with Dung Eater's curse, as long as it's an order under the Great Will.

 

[Silva]

Big "Were the Gods Astronauts" vibe there.

 

[Caim]

Big "Were the Gods Astronauts" vibe there.

From what I gather the Outer Gods are from space, so that's sort of the case here. Or they're buddies with the Great Ones from Bloodborne.

 

[cvv]

Don't use any Soreseal talismans. It's probably the main reason why many people - including myself - had difficulty with some bosses.

On the wiki it says that it increases damage with 15% but I think it's wrong: the decrease in resistances is much higher than 15% -> it's more like 40%.

Yeah more like half. You can easily see it stat tab. Definitely not worth it for the +5 to stats or whatever.

Also most people use the Godrick's rune for the stats but Morgott's rune is the best, it's like +500 extra HP when you pop the arc.

Godrick still gives more total HP. Depending on level, +5 Vigor already gives 150-300 HP, and then Godrick gives significantly more HP saved over the life of your flasks due to the increased defense and weight allowance, not to mention the SIGNFIICANT damage increase for weapons, particularly if you have 3 stats. Even in the midgame its +50 damage. And that's not even starting to talk about sorcery.

Godrick is so much better than any of the other runes it isn't even funny.

What, 5 Vigor isn't 300 HP.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Fuck me, Luria is twice as big as Limgrave.

 

[Olinser]

Don't use any Soreseal talismans. It's probably the main reason why many people - including myself - had difficulty with some bosses.

On the wiki it says that it increases damage with 15% but I think it's wrong: the decrease in resistances is much higher than 15% -> it's more like 40%.

Yeah more like half. You can easily see it stat tab. Definitely not worth it for the +5 to stats or whatever.

Also most people use the Godrick's rune for the stats but Morgott's rune is the best, it's like +500 extra HP when you pop the arc.

Godrick still gives more total HP. Depending on level, +5 Vigor already gives 150-300 HP, and then Godrick gives significantly more HP saved over the life of your flasks due to the increased defense and weight allowance, not to mention the SIGNFIICANT damage increase for weapons, particularly if you have 3 stats. Even in the midgame its +50 damage. And that's not even starting to talk about sorcery.

Godrick is so much better than any of the other runes it isn't even funny.

What, 5 Vigor isn't 300 HP.

Vigor gives more HP the higher you are (up to a break point which I don't care enough to bother to look up). If you're in the 30's for vigor, its already giving around 45-50 hp per point. I'm not going to bother mathing out the exact maximum, but 300 for the top amount is a realistic estimate, don't be pedantic 'ZOMG MAXES OUT AT EXACTLY 269 HP' or whatever the fuck it is exactly. The point is it gives a good amount in the ballpark of 200-300, PLUS a large amount of defense against everything, and the significant weight increase can gives you a further defense increase without breaking med/heavy load, so the effective HP you get is much higher than a static flat amount of HP that doesn't actually benefit you past the first 500 hp lost if you weren't getting 1 shot or wasting flasks for overhealing anyway. Especially for open world exploration with flask restoration, Godrick flask gives you FAR more durability and sustainability than just a flat +amount, and the defense increase is far more beneficial for any boss that isn't 1 shotting you.

 

[Nathir]

That leaves.. Morgott. Morgott is incredibly hell bent on maintaining the status quo. I think of him as a really badly written character because I can't make sense of any possible motivation, he has a backstory of a fell omen, existences that were rejected by most of the world because of superstitions, a person like him should have been a born rebel, rather than a soldier of Order, and the game does nothing to justify him being a simp for order.

This doesn't mean he is badly written. He is the only one of the demigods that remains in the capital and refers to himself as king. He probably thinks he has a duty to uphold order, and thinks he can continue his fathers legacy and become Elden Lord himself. Even if he was locked away, it is not a contradiction for him wanting to be accepted by everyone.

 

[Silva]

That leaves.. Morgott. Morgott is incredibly hell bent on maintaining the status quo. I think of him as a really badly written character because I can't make sense of any possible motivation, he has a backstory of a fell omen, existences that were rejected by most of the world because of superstitions, a person like him should have been a born rebel, rather than a soldier of Order, and the game does nothing to justify him being a simp for order.

This doesn't mean he is badly written. He is the only one of the demigods that remains in the capital and refers to himself as king. He probably thinks he has a duty to uphold order, and thinks he can continue his fathers legacy and become Elden Lord himself. Even if he was locked away, it is not a contradiction for him wanting to be accepted by everyone.

Yeah, the idea of a pariah that rises to become a law abiding leader for the society that shunned him before is interesting. Don't know if he is exactly this though, must read more lore (or Vaat vids).

Big "Were the Gods Astronauts" vibe there.

From what I gather the Outer Gods are from space, so that's sort of the case here. Or they're buddies with the Great Ones from Bloodborne.

I find the outer gods schtick feels a tad disjointed from the mythological tapestry they built around eardtrees and reality defining runes and divine lands (between) and all that. Well, at least for a first contact. If they pushed it to a DLC it would be more palatable. Right now this world simply feels bloated.

 

[Lyric Suite]

BTW, i'm SL24 with a +8 Claymore and i get ok connections in Luria for co-op. Not as many as i used to get but i suppose if i got a few more levels i should even things out.

When i beat Godrick i was SL21 and i got almost zero summons once that +8 rapier dropped, but at SL24 i guess i put myself at the threshold of the summoning range for Luria.

Zero summons at the lower areas in Limegrave.

I wonder if From did it on purpose to give you an upgraded weapon precisely to close off summons on lower level areas, maybe to make Rune Arc a somewhat difficult commodity to get? I used to get co-op summons within the span of seconds in Limgrave if i wanted to i could have stacked 200 of those things.

 

[Mojobeard]

Yeah Godrick's rune is generally much better than any of the other ones, because it's extra everything.
It's around 125-225 HP, 8 Stamina, 16-30 FP, 8 equip load, not to mention being able to cast certain spells without requirements, and raising your attack by a considerable amount for most of the game.
The defense bonus you get isn't equal to actually getting 40 levels, you only get whatever extra the stat itself boosts. Which isn't much, but it's something.
Even as a full melee ungabunga, the others are barely worth using before near NG+ levels.

 

[Olinser]

Yeah Godrick's rune is generally much better than any of the other ones, because it's extra everything.
It's around 125-225 HP, 8 Stamina, 16-30 FP, 8 equip load, not to mention being able to cast certain spells without requirements, and raising your attack by a considerable amount for most of the game.
The defense bonus you get isn't equal to actually getting 40 levels, you only get whatever extra the stat itself boosts. Which isn't much, but it's something.
Even as a full melee ungabunga, the others are barely worth using before near NG+ levels.

It's actually quite a bit. You can actually check the difference by going to a bonfire and hitting level up - the level up screen displays your current negations/resistances without the rune, then you can exit the bonfire and go to status to check the differences. For me right now its +22 negations, which is a HUGE defensive buff.

 

[Wunderbar]

 

[Silva]

Interesting explanation on how Arcane works.