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Heh, i was just thinking instead of doing a SL1 run to start as a confessor and make a SL10 run instead, mixing challenge and LARPing at the same time.

I know the prestige is in the SL1 challenge run but i'm also kinda itching of playing as a paladin again given the insane amount of faith based shit that's in the game. It's like i picked the wrong game to make an exception to my rule of always starting as a paladin first. I just saw the reward for the Elden Beast i just want to use that shit now.

I also want to make a character that i can take to NG+ as well. I finished the game at SL150 mostly to check out how the end game multiplayer was like with my bleed dude and i have no intention to go to NG+ with him as i think there's nothing to progress from there. The build is pretty much over at SL150 and aside for NG+ being harder i feel there's actually no reason to bother.

But if i finish normal game at SL10 i can then start leveling in NG+ and eventually end up with at least one toon that has collected everything in the game.
I mean if you're doing it primarily for your own experience then there would be jack shit felt difference between SL1 and SL10.

On the other hand there's nothing a confessor gets that you couldn't just buy from shops during your SL1 run and use in NG+. Confessor armour can be bought, the shield they get and the broadsword can too. I think they start with urgent heal and flame sling. A level 1 wretch can cast both of these. You'd be a confessor, just a wretched SL1 confessor. You could spend all your runes from the first run on boiled crab then enter NG+ with no runes. I think you'd have more fun if you sold all the gear you'd picked up beforehand too and waited to find it during your adventure.

You'd probably hit way above SL10 after killing your first enemy. Not sure if you've tried the wretch start but the first 10 levels come very fast in NG. In NG+ probably 1 enemy would take you to level 30 or something.

So you'd get your challenge run prestige and your NG+ roleplaying run without really compromising either.
 

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The confessor armor is like 500 hours away from the beginning.

Unlike previous Souls games, they made sure starting gear actually means something in this game as most of it can only be found way later in your playthrough which makes stuff like the confessor armor worth something if you want to start with that kind of fashion from the get go and enjoy it for a huge chunk of the game.

I mean sure for some of them you can just make a bee line to get them but i prefer not doing that kind of stuff. I mean imagine making a bee line to the Vagabond Set forget about it.

I will admit another reason is that so i can still enjoy some multiplayer. I just tried with both a Wretch and a Confessor and with the Wretch i got zero connections after a whopping two hours while with the Confessor i get summoned regularly for Tree Sentinel, the guy in the wolf cave and i even got summoned for a couple of low level PvP sessions. In about an hour i got a total of 9 rune arcs, which beats the hell out of having to grind rats to get them. Ho, i also totally picked the Shabriri's Woe as my starting Keepsake so i can do the Sentinel consistently without the host dying on me constantly. I suspect i could potentially be summoned for the entirety of Limegrave up to possibly even Stormveil. I remember when i was SL10 with my first toon i got summoned for Margit once so it's not bad.

In fact, i think i'll just occationally load this guy to do some multiplayer to stockpile on rune arcs while i play something else (was thinking of resuming or restarting my Pillars of Eternity run as i pretty much abandoned it to play Elden Ring lmao) so i can fresh up before going at it again. If they keep fixing stuff in the interim all the better.

I actually had half a mind of starting Sekiro but i just have to stay away from anything by From for a while. This game wore me down. I played DS2 and DS3 back to back and i wasn't as tired then as i am now lmao.
 
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Lmao, i got summoned to the Sentinel while i was typing that as i forgot the game was running so while we were doing it we got invaded by a guy who had obviously finished the game. He had the All-Knowing Set and a bunch of other shit. And to top it off, the try hard felt he had to gang us while we were engaged with the boss. Like it wasn't enough for him to be twinked out lul.
 

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Lmao, i got summoned to the Sentinel while i was typing that as i forgot the game was running so while we were doing it we got invaded by a guy who had obviously finished the game. He had the All-Knowing Set and a bunch of other shit. And to top it off, the try hard felt he had to gang us while we were engaged with the boss. Like it wasn't enough for him to be twinked out lul.
Sometimes guys like that either got carried through by a friend or used a utility to give themselves all the gear.
 
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Finally found Mohgwyn Palace. Took a teleporter there while exploring Consecrated Snowfields, area I had to look up how to get to because had no clue what to do after Castle Sol. And still got confused at the lift with showing the medallion, didn't realize I needed to switch to show "secret medallion". :lol:

Oh shit, Mohg is gonna take some tries, got completely raped first few times. No energy left to continue today.
 
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Mohg was one of my favored, and at the time i wasn't in a rush to finish the game so i got really good at dodging his stuff. Very fun boss, but you'll probably hate him if you are butthurt about delayed attacks.
 

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Lmao, i got summoned to the Sentinel while i was typing that as i forgot the game was running so while we were doing it we got invaded by a guy who had obviously finished the game. He had the All-Knowing Set and a bunch of other shit. And to top it off, the try hard felt he had to gang us while we were engaged with the boss. Like it wasn't enough for him to be twinked out lul.
Sometimes guys like that either got carried through by a friend or used a utility to give themselves all the gear.

Is the anti-cheat in this game that bad?

At first i assumed it was people who just finished the game as low level specifically to make twinks but i've had a few more PvP sessions and all of the people involved were twinked out so maybe that's what it is (that is they are using a mod or something to give themselves gear). I had a guy in full Banished set (the un-altered version) summon me and all the invaders were also twinked out as well as the blue guys he summoned to fight them. I had half a mind to go kill the Tree Sentintel to ruin their shit but i figured they'd probably kill me if i tried that lmao. So i watched them go for a bit to see if they were ALL like that and yep, the next two invaders and two blue guys were also twinks (and the guy with the All-Knowing Set showed up as well).
 

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Lmao, i got summoned to the Sentinel while i was typing that as i forgot the game was running so while we were doing it we got invaded by a guy who had obviously finished the game. He had the All-Knowing Set and a bunch of other shit. And to top it off, the try hard felt he had to gang us while we were engaged with the boss. Like it wasn't enough for him to be twinked out lul.
Sometimes guys like that either got carried through by a friend or used a utility to give themselves all the gear.

Is the anti-cheat in this game that bad?

At first i assumed it was people who just finished the game as low level specifically to make twinks but i've had a few more PvP sessions and all of the people involved were twinked out so maybe that's what it is (that is they are using a mod or something to give themselves gear). I had a guy in full Banished set (the un-altered version) summon me and all the invaders were also twinked out as well as the blue guys he summoned to fight them. I had half a mind to go kill the Tree Sentintel to ruin their shit but i figured they'd probably kill me if i tried that lmao. So i watched them go for a bit to see if they were ALL like that and yep, the next two invaders and two blue guys were also twinks (and the guy with the All-Knowing Set showed up as well).

I think the anti-cheat is mostly looking for stuff like guys with infinite health or are immune to damage, teleport hacking and stuff like that. Also (hopefully) so they can't edit your saved game and inventory and stuff to get you banned.

The way it was done in DS3 is through a modded in vendor that held everything in the game, so you just picked up everything you wanted + upgrade materials, etc. A lot of those pvp streamers used shit like that, so even when they were good, they also had the advantage of as much equipment as they wanted, upgraded to whatever they wanted, etc.

So the character is "legal" but you could essentially leave the opening with something like two hands of malenia +10 or something, for instance. I'm not 100% sure they've got one up and running for Elden Ring, but it's sure seemed like it based on streams going on shortly after the game launched.
 

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I've taken a day off the game, but its been on my mind. I'm thinking about Malenia, planning how I'd beat her. I think I've got it. Here's the idea:

Talismans: Blue dancer charm, claw talisman, lord of blood's favor, kindred of rot's exultation.
Clothing: Raptor's black feathers and nothing else, not even trousers.
Armaments: Primary weapon heavy star fist with royal knight's resolve, secondary dagger with seppuku. Offhand Clawmark seal.

At the start of the fight I'd throw a shit pot away from her to poison myself, eat exulted flesh, cast golden vow and FGMS then seppuku. I've seen videos where at the start Malenia takes ages to aggro and just slow walks towards you. So hopefully I'd have time to do this. From there I'd have 20 seconds to switch to the fists, RKR and jump attack her. I'm hoping this would one shot her first phase, though a second or even third jump attack may be needed. I'd need to practice my buffing sequence because I only get one chance to beat Malenia first try. If it doesn't work I may as well just fight her properly with my normal gear.

In the second phase I'm thinking I run away. I think she does a big attack at the start of the phase and this may give me time to summon Black Knife Tiche and drink a blue. From there I figured I'd just dodge roll like crazy until she aggros on Tiche. Once she's on Tiche I should try to proc frost with Dragonice, then probably run away more until I can set up again. From there I've seen a rumor that Rotten breath is affected by blue dancer, given it's pure physical. So maybe seppuku and shit pot again and try that? I know she's immune to rot, but if she's aggrod on Tiche it could be a safe way to get the finish. Or I could just try to jump attack her back when she's attacking Tiche. That could be a lot simpler, but it's risky because I've seen a lot of clips of her one shotting people.

The visualization phase is hard because I've never fought her, only seen vids. It's a high risk plan and very precise. Not much chance I'd get it first try. But how awesome would it be if I did?
 

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I'd need to practice my buffing sequence because I only get one chance to beat Malenia first try.
:kingcomrade:
Not much chance I'd get it first try. But how awesome would it be if I did?
:excellent:

I love your enthusiasm, but beating Malenia on the first try is just something outside the realm of possibilities.

From there I'd have 20 seconds to switch to the fists, RKR and jump attack her. I'm hoping this would one shot her first phase, though a second or even third jump attack may be needed.
She has roughly 18k HP, you would need to deal 6k damage with each jump attack, while my guess is with that setup you would deal around 2k damage with each jump (and you'd need to reapply RKR every time).
 

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I'd need to practice my buffing sequence because I only get one chance to beat Malenia first try.
:kingcomrade:
Not much chance I'd get it first try. But how awesome would it be if I did?
:excellent:

I love your enthusiasm, but beating Malenia on the first try is just something outside the realm of possibilities.

From there I'd have 20 seconds to switch to the fists, RKR and jump attack her. I'm hoping this would one shot her first phase, though a second or even third jump attack may be needed.
She has roughly 18k HP, you would need to deal 6k damage with each jump attack, while my guess is with that setup you would deal around 2k damage with each jump (and you'd need to reapply RKR every time).
The reason I'm going for the fists is because I saw a YT video where it explained that there's an interaction effect between dual weapons and determination, which I assume would also apply to RKR. I don't remember how it works, something to do with the two weapons doubling the buff or something. The dude in the vid had 80 STR and was using a heavy katar with raptor's black feathers, blue dancer and claw talisman, buffing with only Golden Vow and FGMS. It's been a while since I saw it, but he was getting somewhere in the region of 7k damage per jump attack.

As far as doing RKR before every attack, I already do that. I've been playing like that for a while now. My character hops around like a flea chopping enemies with his big sword then either follows up with R1 or double rolls away, RKRs again and does another jump. The problem with my plan is range. I'm used to a very long weapon. It's highly likely that unless I train a lot with the fists I just jump in front of Malenia and get one shot during my recovery. There's also the short window where all the buffs are active and the reliance on luck to not just get cut out of the air during that critical first jump. Or I may be misinformed about her AI and she may just butcher me during my initial buffing process.

It's not going to work but I'm going to try. I try to win every fight, even the grafted scion at the start with my club and loincloth. I've never even come close to winning that one. But amazing shit can happen when you do just try.

I always head straight for Margit at SL1 or 2 so I can die, rest at the grace and get access to Roundtable Hold to buy incantations and stuff. But I always try to win. I am not a skilled player, and this was a 1/1000 thing that I've never replicated, but one time I did win. Shirtless and SL2 with a Lordsworn's straight sword that can't have been more than +2. He aggrod on Roger and the jelly and I squared off into his back, stance breaking and critting him again and again while Roger poured on the damage. It was a triumph, and I got a ton of levels out of it.

Always try your best to win. No matter the actual odds.

Also, even when my brilliant plan fails and I have to retry and fight her, the Guts is putting out 3k to 3600 ish damage per buffed RKR jump, depending on the enemy. This is at +22 with 73 STR and without physick or consumable buffs, just Golden Vow and FGMS. If I can get to +25 and 80 STR before the fight and chomp a couple of consumables I'm confident I could beat her legitimately with enough attempts. But I don't want to beat her legitimately. I want to demolish her with munchkinism first try.
 
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Not much chance I'd get it first try. But how awesome would it be if I did?
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Also, I don't know about her second phase, but during her first phase she is 100% susceptible to Rot. It's just that she's extremely resistant to it, to the point that it's barely worth it.

But really, just walk in there with nothing but your balls and sword and learn her the proper way before resorting to cheese, you'd hate yourself if you beat her first try hiding behind Tiche.
 
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Mohg was one of my favored, and at the time i wasn't in a rush to finish the game so i got really good at dodging his stuff. Very fun boss, but you'll probably hate him if you are butthurt about delayed attacks.

Delayed attacks are nothing, it's fairly easy to deal with those. It's the constant blood incantation spam that's most annoying to me. Especially that shit where he deletes my health bar while refilling his own - how do you git gud at dodging that? Because I have no clue how to avoid it. I tried sprinting away as far as possible during that but it doesn't seem to do anything.
 

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Delayed attacks are nothing, it's fairly easy to deal with those. It's the constant blood incantation spam that's most annoying to me. Especially that shit where he deletes my health bar while refilling his own - how do you git gud at dodging that? Because I have no clue how to avoid it. I tried sprinting away as far as possible during that but it doesn't seem to do anything.
You either drink flasks through the entire animation or use the Purifying Crystal Tear. I don't think there's any other way, since last time I tried the Crimsonwhorl Bubbletear didn't work.
 
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Oh ok, I do have that Purifying Crystal Tear in my inventory. I'll try it next time I sit down with this game. I would probably think this is a great boss if I really enjoyed that dodge based combat of ER. But I don't. I think it's an improvement over utter dogshit combat of DS III, but still not fun enough for me to go really tryhard on it. Souls combat was enjoyable to me during DS1/2 times, but it doesn't do it for me anymore since it has become much faster and bosses started having longer combos. I'll give it maybe an hour more of trying to kill him "proper" way and if I still don't get close to killing him I'll just use Mimic Tear. I do feel a bit anxious to get this game over with, it's fucking 100 hours in already.
 
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So how do you do it without dodge? Greatshields? Because one hit of his usually takes away more than half my HP, and I have VGR at 40.
This dude could parry a Thompson submachine gun. I'm guessing that's how.

I've not done this fight yet but here are a few basic ways to get tankier, apologies if you know all this: What great rune are you using? I use Morgott's and it makes a big difference to HP. I think it's the best one if you're like me and take a lot of damage in fights. The dragoncrest shield talisman helps as well, and of course you can use great jar's arsenal to up your DR by wearing more armour. Then there's the crimsonspill crystal tear which lasts 3 minutes.

Beyond that there's regen. If I stack the faith knot crystal tear and two fingers talisman on top of my base faith I can cast blessing of the Erdtree which gives a really nice amount of passive health regen for a good duration. I've only done this a couple of times but it makes me really wish I could have enough faith to naturally cast that. It's such good regen. The poor man's version is stacking blessing's boon and/or bestial vitality on top of the blessed dew talisman and the crimsonburst crystal tear. That what my physick is currently, crimsonburst and crimsonspill. It helps.

One other thing you could try (and this may be a dumb suggestion) is timing casting bestial constitution to clear the bleed buildup and hopefully prevent bleeding in the first place. I don't know if this works. That could prevent him from getting his damage buff if you don't bleed. That seems too obvious so someone would have probably mentioned it if it worked. It's still worth a try.
 
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No shields, I just used some of the most broken tools the game gives you. The build isn't fully optimized and the character is SL1, so I'm sure a proper character could do it with 0 dodges (entirely skipping phase 2):



Heh, I could actually see myself having fun on repeat playthroughs trying to experiment with ways to break the game as much as possible.. If its length was like that of regular Souls game. But this not being the case it will probably take me a long time before I want to play it again.
 

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I've taken a day off the game, but its been on my mind. I'm thinking about Malenia, planning how I'd beat her. I think I've got it. Here's the idea:

Talismans: Blue dancer charm, claw talisman, lord of blood's favor, kindred of rot's exultation.
Clothing: Raptor's black feathers and nothing else, not even trousers.
Armaments: Primary weapon heavy star fist with royal knight's resolve, secondary dagger with seppuku. Offhand Clawmark seal.

At the start of the fight I'd throw a shit pot away from her to poison myself, eat exulted flesh, cast golden vow and FGMS then seppuku. I've seen videos where at the start Malenia takes ages to aggro and just slow walks towards you. So hopefully I'd have time to do this. From there I'd have 20 seconds to switch to the fists, RKR and jump attack her. I'm hoping this would one shot her first phase, though a second or even third jump attack may be needed. I'd need to practice my buffing sequence because I only get one chance to beat Malenia first try. If it doesn't work I may as well just fight her properly with my normal gear.

In the second phase I'm thinking I run away. I think she does a big attack at the start of the phase and this may give me time to summon Black Knife Tiche and drink a blue. From there I figured I'd just dodge roll like crazy until she aggros on Tiche. Once she's on Tiche I should try to proc frost with Dragonice, then probably run away more until I can set up again. From there I've seen a rumor that Rotten breath is affected by blue dancer, given it's pure physical. So maybe seppuku and shit pot again and try that? I know she's immune to rot, but if she's aggrod on Tiche it could be a safe way to get the finish. Or I could just try to jump attack her back when she's attacking Tiche. That could be a lot simpler, but it's risky because I've seen a lot of clips of her one shotting people.

The visualization phase is hard because I've never fought her, only seen vids. It's a high risk plan and very precise. Not much chance I'd get it first try. But how awesome would it be if I did?
Exalted Flesh and FGMS are mutually exclusive and overwrite each other. Malenia has 18 473 HP with 123 flat defence and 10% physical reduction so you need to be able to do over 20 800 raw damage in a single attack if you want to one-shot her.

Not sure it's possible to go that high without powerstancing and buffing both weapons with RKR (which boosts both weapons by 224%). Don't think you can do this with fist weapons as the buff disappears if you 2-hand the other weapon, but I've never tried myself.

Skip BDC (Raptor's Black Feathers takes you above the first soft cap, will not give the full +20%) and replace it with Red-Feathered Branchsword (+20% damage below 20% HP) if you disregard defence. Go for Bloodboil Aromatic over Exalted Flesh/FGMS for a 30% boost to physical damage. Do a hardswap with Commander's Standard instead of Golden Vow. Wear the White Mask or Mushroom Crown for an extra 10% on top of LoB/KoR. Including 2x RKR and assuming a 230 MV for a jumping L1 you'd need 745 unbuffed physical AR on each weapon you powerstance assuming you're able to get off the attack before any buff expires. If you don't want to be below 20% HP use the Ritual Sword Talisman instead for +10% when at full HP, though that increases the unbuffed AR requirement to 812.

Also, you can't just run straight away from Scarlet Aeonia as she can reach you no matter how far you run. The best strategy is to run directly below her to trigger the dive and then keep running away from her. I think you might be able to out run the delayed shockwave, but I usually roll to be on the safe side.

E: Updated the required ARs as I initially forgot to add her flat defence twice. Once for each weapon.

E2: If you powerstance +25 Heavy Guts' Greatswords you need 63 STR to reach 745 and 80 STR to reach 812. With Heavy Giant Crushers you need 51/66 STR.
 
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Mohg was one of my favored, and at the time i wasn't in a rush to finish the game so i got really good at dodging his stuff. Very fun boss, but you'll probably hate him if you are butthurt about delayed attacks.

Delayed attacks are nothing, it's fairly easy to deal with those. It's the constant blood incantation spam that's most annoying to me. Especially that shit where he deletes my health bar while refilling his own - how do you git gud at dodging that? Because I have no clue how to avoid it. I tried sprinting away as far as possible during that but it doesn't seem to do anything.

This thing basically nullifies it and gives you the opportunity to smack the shit out of him while he does that thing which basically cuts down his second phase to nothing:

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Purifying+Crystal+Tear

Or you can just eat it by that point you should have a large supply of healing potions, far more than you'll realistically use in the fight (if you need to heal that much you most likely won't actually beat him).

As for the shit he sprays on the floor, you basically have to get close to him rather than run away. That spray of blood flame has a long range but the spray lands far away from him as well, so if you roll into him instead of rolling back you'll actually get past it.

When i fought him, the one attack i actually had a problem with was the one where he stabs the ground with his tridant, which has a slow wind up but is super fast when it comes down. Took me longer to learn to dodge that one than anything else he did.
 
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This thing basically nullifies it and gives you the opportunity to smack the shit out of him while he does that thing which basicallys cuts down his second phase to nothing:

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Purifying+Crystal+Tear

Or you can just eat it by that point you should have a large supply of healing potions, far more than you'll realistically use in the fight (if you need to heal that much you most likely won't actually beat him).

Yeah I've already been informed about this Crystal Tear, I'll be using it next time. I have 11 healing flasks and 2 mana flasks, as I love using that Rivers of Blood weapon art a lot. I don't know if this is close to maximum I can get, but it did seem plenty until this fight.
 
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