From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

[Rhobar121]

We just need to sit down and have a reasonable discussion about how DkS2 was that natural progression for the franchise and the franchise was fucked in the ass afterwards. The perfect template had been laid down for the perfect ARPG and instead of expanding on perfection they flushed it all down the toilet and we get Retard Souls. You're all partially to blame. Had you been as vocal as I was we would have got a real Dark Souls 3, or even a 2.5 would have been stellar. You all are responsible for setting this franchise on the wrong course. Now I'm stoked for DD2 and not giving a single fuck about the ER expansion. I don't care because it will be shittier Dark Souls.

It's good that it didn't happen.

 

[Anonona]

https://www.thegamer.com/elden-ring...uls-2-says-it-carried-the-rest-of-the-series/

Seems like it did happen, Dark Souls and Elden Ring are what they are today thanks to Dark Souls 2

 

[Skinwalker]

Seems like it did happen, Dark Souls and Elden Ring are what they are today thanks to Demon Souls

Ftfy. FromSoft has been remaking the same game ever since they struck gold with Demon Souls.

 

[Anonona]

Ftfy. FromSoft has been remaking the same game ever since they struck gold with Demon Souls.

Not my words, Miyazaki said that.

"In regards to Dark Souls 2, I actually personally think this was a really great project for us, and I think without it, we wouldn’t have had a lot of the connections and a lot of the ideas that went forward and carried the rest of the series"

Not that you are wrong though.

 

[Cheesedragon117]

If I begin the game now and stop after beating Mohg - i.e: having a "dlc ready" save everything should work right?

I mean apparently they are not adding anything to base game areas.

Yes, but you'll have to beat Starscourge Radahn, too. I recommend just beating the whole game and reaching between Rune Level 120 to 150. That way you'll have a completed build ready to face anything the DLC can throw at you. You don't have to worry about being overlevelled, since they're using a new difficulty scaling mechanic to the DLC, independent of Rune Level.

I mean apparently they are not adding anything to base game areas.

I don't know what got you started thinking that would be the case. Do you know what an expansion is? Just that, an expansion of the base game.

Imagine your cock is a mighty sword and the game is at your mercy. That's how I beat video games.

Honestly same except I don't have to imagine.

We just need to sit down and have a reasonable discussion about how DkS2 was that natural progression for the franchise and the franchise was fucked in the ass afterwards. The perfect template had been laid down for the perfect ARPG and instead of expanding on perfection they flushed it all down the toilet and we get Retard Souls. You're all partially to blame. Had you been as vocal as I was we would have got a real Dark Souls 3, or even a 2.5 would have been stellar. You all are responsible for setting this franchise on the wrong course. Now I'm stoked for DD2 and not giving a single fuck about the ER expansion. I don't care because it will be shittier Dark Souls.

I don't think any amount of "being vocal" could have changed the progression of the Soulsborne series. Do you honestly think Miyazaki would give two shits about your dogshit Amerimutt opinion? Or anyone else's, for that matter? No, he's always done whatever he damn well pleases.

And discussing it now isn't going to change anything. This is the thread for ER, not DS2.

 

[Barbarian]

I was asking if there is any official info on save game compatibility and base game content, haven't gotten around to reading interviews and etc yet. Some mentions DS2 had changes on quests and other content included in the dlc.

I mean there is the outside chance that I would begin the game now and bitterly regret it when it is announced that they changed questlines already in the game or expanded them. The dlc will likely come with a patch anyhow.

Maybe it is better to just wait until june.

 

[Silverfish]

Do you honestly think Miyazaki would give two shits about your dogshit Amerimutt opinion? Or anyone else's, for that matter? No, he's always done whatever he damn well pleases.

He literally turned Dark Souls into Skyrim, bro.

 

[Cheesedragon117]

I was asking if there is any official info on save game compatibility and base game content, haven't gotten around to reading interviews and etc yet. Some mentions DS2 had changes on quests and other content included in the dlc.

I mean there is the outside chance that I would begin the game now and bitterly regret it when it is announced that they changed questlines already in the game or expanded them. The dlc will likely come with a patch anyhow.

Maybe it is better to just wait until june.

Here's what you can expect from an expansion-day patch:

• Weapon balance changes. Nothing new, Dark Souls and Armored Core had them, that's why the different versions of the game are sometimes called "Regulation" versions. From's been extremely fastidious about trying to keep things fair and balanced in the PvP side of things in Elden Ring.
• Bug fixes, no explanation needed.
• Item drop table changes. This is a big maybe, but the drop chances for certain items have occasionally been changed for quality-of-life or other reasons. Usually it's just a little nudge to make certain upgrade materials less annoying to get. It's within the realm of possibility they'll add a new optimal Glovewort or Smithing Stone farming method to make sure we have everything at +10 for the DLC.

And that's it. The only instance i can think of where they've added a completely new and fully-voiced NPC to the basegame is in Bloodborne. Even then, i'm not sure if he had his own questline.

 

[Multidirectional]

https://www.thegamer.com/elden-ring...uls-2-says-it-carried-the-rest-of-the-series/

Seems like it did happen, Dark Souls and Elden Ring are what they are today thanks to Dark Souls 2

But Dark Souls III feels to me like it was designed to appease Dark Souls II haters. It's full of "do you remember this from Dark Souls??" shit. And the way combat is sped up felt like overcompensation for the fact that DS II combat was slower than first game. People hated the fact they didn't have good rolling from start in DS II? DS III gives easy rolls even at 70% load from the start and with low stamina requirement. Then it also seems they listened too much to git-guds who insisted that armors should only be for fashion and tank builds that aren't about rolling around are just "playing wrong". So we get useless armors that are nothing but fashion. And shields are kinda shit as well, except for some greatshields.

 

[Lutte]

https://www.thegamer.com/elden-ring...uls-2-says-it-carried-the-rest-of-the-series/

Seems like it did happen, Dark Souls and Elden Ring are what they are today thanks to Dark Souls 2

But Dark Souls III feels to me like it was designed to appease Dark Souls II haters. It's full of "do you remember this from Dark Souls??" shit. And the way combat is sped up felt like overcompensation for the fact that DS II combat was slower than first game. People hated the fact they didn't have good rolling from start in DS II? DS III gives easy rolls even at 70% load from the start and with low stamina requirement. Then it also seems they listened too much to git-guds who insisted that armors should only be for fashion and tank builds that aren't about rolling around are just "playing wrong". So we get useless armors that are nothing but fashion. And shields are kinda shit as well, except for some greatshields.

Dark Souls 3 is what it is because they were creatively bankrupt after doing Bloodborne. Most of what you say differs in DS3 vs DS2 is also what differs from (any souls) vs Bloodborne. BB also has no concept of armor being a big deal, BB allows you to spam iframes nilly willy and not care much about stamina etc. And aside from the speedier gameplay elements, Dark Souls 3 even cribs quite a bit of aesthetics from BB. You can't look at creatures like the Pus of Man and not think "ah, that looks like something that would have fit Bloodborne".

The problem: Bloodborne does Bloodborne better. DS3 is like a cheap China factory clone.

 

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[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Lmao, he's trolling and sending autists into a frenzy. Now crazy retards will be wasting days or even weeks of their lives scouring every single pixel of the map for nothing. Good job Miyazaki.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Man, just about every weapon I see needs some dex investment. Looks like I am gonna have to run with the greataxe for a long time.

 

[Cheesedragon117]

I already know what it is, and was planning to do an entire thread on it sometime between now and the DLC. It's going to be a long write-up with pictures to demonstrate my points. Maybe now that I've advertised it, I'll hopefully feel some subconscious pressure to start drafting it out.

I don't think it's actually anything in-game, necessarily, just a lore puzzle that 99% of the community hasn't put together correctly.

 

[Skinwalker]

Ok, I just have the Auriza Hero's Grave to explore, and then I'll be done with Altus and be ready to enter Leyndell. Man, this is a huge game. I've postponed a number of quests just because I need to find and release the Dung Eater and turn him into a puppet. Which means... dass right, time to dive into worst dungeon in the whole game (the sewers).

Oh, and I haven't even set foot into Volcano Manor or Ainsel/Nokstella yet. Or the secret corner of Liurnia. Or the Dragonbarrows. Or any of the content that's locked behind Morgott.

Impressively big game.

 

[Crayll]

time to dive into worst dungeon in the whole game (the sewers).

The capital sewers are the best dungeon in the whole game, though.

 

[Bloodeyes]

Well, generally a lot of the stuff that require a lot of farming to get isn't really that important.

Its important to me. Currently my mule has everything in the game and a bunch of duped runes. So I can level him to any build I like and invade with it for a day, or go to NG+ and do a taunter's tongue run. I won't accept having missing fashion options. He has that wandering nobles stuff and actually the aristocrat headband is peak fashion. He has 5 noble's slender swords. No compromises. Whether I farm it or dupe it I'm getting all the new stuff. At base level +0.

 

[Damned Registrations]

But Dark Souls III feels to me like it was designed to appease Dark Souls II haters. It's full of "do you remember this from Dark Souls??" shit. And the way combat is sped up felt like overcompensation for the fact that DS II combat was slower than first game. People hated the fact they didn't have good rolling from start in DS II? DS III gives easy rolls even at 70% load from the start and with low stamina requirement. Then it also seems they listened too much to git-guds who insisted that armors should only be for fashion and tank builds that aren't about rolling around are just "playing wrong". So we get useless armors that are nothing but fashion. And shields are kinda shit as well, except for some greatshields.

I feel like we played different games or something. DS2 introduced enemies with inifnite length attack chains, infinite stamina, infinite poise, and basically made 90% of the combat into 'backstep, poke, repeat' on anything you couldn't backstab. It was slow in the same way fighting some shitty gimmick boss that forces you to be defensive 90% of the fight until it's heart pops out is slow. DS3 enemies actually flinched when you hit them, allowing for, you know, combat to exist instead of tree cutting simulator. I go into the souls games wanting to do something like mace + shield in every game and DS2 was a massive fucking disappointment in how that played.

 

[Multidirectional]

I feel like we played different games or something. DS2 introduced enemies with inifnite length attack chains, infinite stamina, infinite poise, and basically made 90% of the combat into 'backstep, poke, repeat' on anything you couldn't backstab. It was slow in the same way fighting some shitty gimmick boss that forces you to be defensive 90% of the fight until it's heart pops out is slow. DS3 enemies actually flinched when you hit them, allowing for, you know, combat to exist instead of tree cutting simulator. I go into the souls games wanting to do something like mace + shield in every game and DS2 was a massive fucking disappointment in how that played.

Yes we definitely played different games. A lot of your complaints about DS II here is what annoyed me about DS III. Infinite attack chains, infinite stamina, having to be defensive most of the fight, lol those are the things I started noticing in DS III. It annoyed me so much I quit it at my first attempt to play through it and replayed DS II instead. I don't know, maybe there's some problem with maces in DS II that I wouldn't have a clue about because I never play maces, always find their movesets boring. DS II felt a bit harder than DS to me, but DS III is where things became frustrating.

 

[Silva]

From really likes Bleed bros right? Varré quest sends you to an advanced area with easy farm and great gear for Bleed builds. Reminds me a bit of BB's Cainhurst.


Edit: Oh and I noticed my PC eyes became bloodshot/red after Varre inducted me as a blood knight or something (he injected a cursed blood in my finger). Does it have special effects or is it just aesthetics? I noticed some blood aubinaurics in Moghwyn palace didn't attack me right away, but could be placebo.

 

[Cheesedragon117]

From really likes Bleed bros right? Varré quest sends you to an advanced area with easy farm and great gear for Bleed builds. Reminds me a bit of BB's Cainhurst.


Edit: Oh and I noticed my PC eyes became bloodshot/red after Varre inducted me as a blood knight or something (he injected a cursed blood in my finger). Does it have special effects or is it just aesthetics? I noticed some blood aubinaurics in Moghwyn palace didn't attack me right away, but could be placebo.

Yeah, the red eyes are purely aesthetic. If you return to the mirror in Fia's room in the Roundtable Hold, you can turn them off.

Despite what you may think, everything in the Legacy Dungeon Varré's item warped you to is still hostile, including the boss. If you listened to his dialogue, he more or less told you not to use that item yet, little lambkin...


Only, if you've beaten more of the game, or talked to Gideon afterward, you know that the thing he's waiting for will never come, so it doesn't matter if or when you use the medal.

 

[Child of Malkav]

What is with this shit like infinite stamina? Every enemy has infinite stamina since DkS1. Other games show a stamina bar beneath the health bar in order for you to know and exploit that aspect. But in none of the soulsborne games do they do that. At the very best enemies have cooldowns between attacks. But not stamina. Stamina is a player thing. Otherwise they would have shown it.
In Sekiro they've shown the posture bar. Which btw existed in every soulsborne game, but it was called stagger and it worked in a similar way to posture: you keep attacking the enemy and at some point he falls down or enters some other kind of vulnerable state animation and getting into position and attacking again allows the player to perform a special critical hit on the enemy. Like backstabs but from the front. Except that in Sekiro that attack was called a deathbliw and allowed fie a one hit kill.

 

[Lyric Suite]

From really likes Bleed bros right? Varré quest sends you to an advanced area with easy farm and great gear for Bleed builds. Reminds me a bit of BB's Cainhurst.


Edit: Oh and I noticed my PC eyes became bloodshot/red after Varre inducted me as a blood knight or something (he injected a cursed blood in my finger). Does it have special effects or is it just aesthetics? I noticed some blood aubinaurics in Moghwyn palace didn't attack me right away, but could be placebo.

Meanwhile Elden Ring:

 

[Child of Malkav]

God, Slop Roll 3 has the ugliest dragon form. Best Souls 2s' is the coolest.

 

[cvv]

DS2 introduced enemies with inifnite length attack chains, infinite stamina, infinite poise, and basically made 90% of the combat into 'backstep, poke, repeat' on anything you couldn't backstab

First time I've seen people complaining about obnoxious endless combos is DS3, that was never a thing before.

Second, as ppl have already said, mobs in Souls games don't have stamina, all they have are pre-programmed windows we can exploit. That's how it's been since DeS.

Third, enemies in DS2 have poise and can be staggered, including most bosses (maybe all? not sure about shit like the Iron King).

I grant you your last point, DS2 vanilla is known to be very defensive indeed, turtling became such a widespread issue Miyazaki seemed to start hating not only on shields but also armor and poise, that's why the DS2 DLCs and BB and DS3 and Sekiro are what they are. Elden Ring is the first FS game in 10 years where armor and shields are meaningful again.

A typical take on DS2 all in all - people don't remember much and what they do remember is mostly wrong or borrowed from the "common wisdom" on the interwebz (haha everybody knows DS2 is bad haha....yea bro, ur so right, it's, uh, so bad, especially the, uh, design).