From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

[Bendu]

They always stated 60 gb as the requirement for the base game, so don't get your hopes too high.

 

[Ravielsk]

They always stated 60 gb as the requirement for the base game, so don't get your hopes too high.

So most likely they calculated the game size with all the language options installed.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Some of the controls really piss me off.

Lock-on can be absolutely retarded if there are multiple targets and sometimes seems to prioritise non-aware, stationary, and non-hostile targets before those that are actively trying to attack you, even if you have the camera directly aimed at the hostile opponent. Sometimes the lock-on will auto switch just as you kill an opponent to the next nearest that might be 100 or so degrees away from where the camera was facing and if you are near an edge you will fall off if you were walking in a direction that puts you towards the drop as the camera switches.

I'm not against the principle of an input buffer to discourage spamming commands, but if you're going to do it for goodness sake make sure your commands are consistently added to the queue. I sometimes input a command for a follow up attack/cast and the game will sometimes buffer it, and sometimes won't which leads me to either lose my action or resort to spamming to try to make sure the game actually reads the bloody input.

The camera is a pain in the arse for platforming (which in general is a tremendously unenjoyable experience. It's the worst aspect of the game for me) and it can be really difficult to work out if a drop is safe or not. The only way to be sure is trial and error which is incredibly annoying. I wish they included a mechanic where you could drop a special item/cast a spell over a ledge and it would burst with a green flash if the drop was safe or red if it would kill you. The jump command can also seem a bit laggy at times which makes some jumps far more frustrating than they should be.

There is other stuff I would love to complain about, but I think I've bitched enough for now.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Lock on has always been terrible in FROM games, after a while you have to learn to play without it. It's not lik you're doing more damage if you hit certain limbs or whatever anyways.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Lock on has always been terrible in FROM games, after a while you have to learn to play without it. It's not lik you're doing more damage if you hit certain limbs or whatever anyways.

I find playing without lock on is fine for horizontal slashes, but with thrusts and particularly with single target spells it seems pretty necessary for me. The hitbox for thrusts doesn't seem particularly forgiving and I can't work out how to get non-locked on lightning/fire casts to reliably end up anywhere near where I think I'm aiming lol

It would be nice if they had some kind of targeting reticule for the vague direction spells were headed if you aren't locked on.

 

[Damned Registrations]

I wish they included a mechanic where you could drop a special item/cast a spell over a ledge and it would burst with a green flash if the drop was safe or red if it would kill you.

The colourful sparkly stones do that.

 

[Cryomancer]

Playing it for the 3rd time before DLC. Still there are a LOT that I missed. The game is so huge and exploration is so great.

BTW, Using Linux Debian. I can run this game with everything in high while ALT TABBING here and with stuff in youtube in a mere GTX 1050 ti.

 

[Lyric Suite]

'Miyazaki says that, this time, FromSoftware has tried to create "something that's not quite open field and not quite legacy dungeon" – with the latter referring to areas such as Stormveil Castle and Raya Lucaria Academy in the base game, which feel more reminiscent of Dark Souls' classic dungeons. Instead, he says: "It's something that kind of blends the two together and creates that better sense of verticality. While you do have the large open field area… we wanted to not just capture the sense of scale and granularity, but the sense of variety as well."

Ultimately, it sounds as though Shadow of the Erdtree's Land of Shadow could end up feeling a little more like a middle ground between the Elden Ring we already know and love and the Dark Souls trilogy.'

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/ac...uite-open-field-and-not-quite-legacy-dungeon/

Given that every time i stepped into a legacy dungeon the quality of the game instantly gained extra points for me, some kind of unholy marriage between open world and real level design might end up being decline. UNLESS this is just a reworking of the open world and the classic legacy dungeons are still there. If the latter, and there's no reason to be hopeful but with FromSoft you never know, they might solve the issue with open world which might help when they do the inevitable sequel to Elden Ring. It's possible they realize the open world design was lacking and are actively trying to improve upon it.

 

[Ravielsk]

Instead, he says: "It's something that kind of blends the two together and creates that better sense of verticality. While you do have the large open field area… we wanted to not just capture the sense of scale and granularity, but the sense of variety as well."

This feels like a complete misdiagnosis of the problem. The open world is design wise perfectly fine and in many ways a step above most other open worlds(like Saints Row, Two worlds or Skyrim). The problem is that the otherwise well done space is left empty by the stock souls formula that for some reason does not believe in readables or quests.

Going through a forest and finding just another melted mushroom or copy pasted bear enemy feels lame no matter how well done the forest is. Especially when the same crap can be found all around the place and depending on the build may not even be of any use. However finding a shack with a woodcutter you can chat with and maybe learn something is always going to register as something more exciting. Hell, they could just place those ghosts around reenacting scenes from the past. Even a note saying "Ofnir was here :===D" would be more exciting to find than what from software does 90% of the time.

I remain optimistic but this really feels like they are trying to solve a content issue by level designing their way around it.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Given that every time i stepped into a legacy dungeon the quality of the game instantly gained extra points for me, some kind of unholy marriage between open world and real level design might end up being decline. UNLESS this is just a reworking of the open world and the classic legacy dungeons are still there. If the latter, and there's no reason to be hopeful but with FromSoft you never know, they might solve the issue with open world which might help when they do the inevitable sequel to Elden Ring. It's possible they realize the open world design was lacking and are actively trying to improve upon it.

Regarding this:

Miyazaki also discussed the density of the map. Previously, he told Eurogamer the team "wanted to go more in depth and bring a denser richer level design", blurring the boundary between field and dungeon.

"Obviously it being exactly the same, but smaller, wouldn't quite cut it, so we wanted to approach from a sense of granularity, is the word we're using," he said. "How dense this map is, and the ratio of legacy dungeon to open field areas, and how they intertwine. This is something we wanted to explore anew in the DLC: In terms of recapturing that sense of scale but in a slightly different way with a slightly different granularity."

https://www.eurogamer.net/elden-rin...-sense-of-wonder-and-exploration-as-base-game

 

[Child of Malkav]

So he basically wants a legacy dungeon the size of Caelid/Altus/Limgrave etc.
One legacy dungeon = one world area. With all that entails.
All this esoteric bullshit talk when he could have said this instead.

 

[Ivan]

highlights of playthrough #2, trying to explore every nook and cranny again:
+ re-experiencing Leyndell is as amazing as I remembered. It reminds me so much of Yharnam. It felt smaller to me this time around, but I loved it nonetheless and feel is the best part/dungeon of the game
+ I really like that they added NPC markers to the map, I wish they would do a better job of signaling
- the UI/inventory is annoying when you want to read the flavor text when acquiring new items. thankfully this is being patched with the expansion such that a "newly acquired" tab will be added. Currently, I have to re-sort it every damn time I boot the game and find the Tab category the item is in (wait, was that a talisman, a key item...oh it was a weapon)
- I'd love to be able to rematch boss fights, especially b/c you can encounter many of them at wildly different levels. sometimes it's a cakewalk, sometimes you're clearly over your head and your weapons do piss damage
-encountering NPCs in the wild is ass as they're so easy to miss (again, the map markers help)
-lastly, I wish the overworld felt as handcrafted as the legacy dungeons. much of it feels superfluous, and not very rewarding as an OCD "what's around the corner" type of player.

+- playing in Online mode feels like I'm playing with a hints system. I think I'll play the DLC offline 1st, then come back to see the shit I've missed.

fun things I missed out on the first time:
Volcano Manor dungeon

Spoiler

invisible wall behind sewer Mohg

reaching Mohg's palace (I think I killed Varre on my virignal playthrough and missed out. apparently there's an alternate way to get there in the Snow area but I missed that too).


Seems like Miyazaki knows the dungeons > overworld and them trying to do a better of blending the 2 for the DLC sounds excellent to me.

 

[Stoned Ape]

So he basically wants a legacy dungeon the size of Caelid/Altus/Limgrave etc.
One legacy dungeon = one world area. With all that entails.
All this esoteric bullshit talk when he could have said this instead.

I read through some of the gameplay preview stuff from those who had early access and it sounded to me like they were describing a number of legacy dungeons, each with distinct themes, blended together by shorter sections of overworld. Of course, they only had access to a small preview section of the start of the DLC but Miyazaki's comments seem to suggest that this was the goal for area design.

Of course I could be talking out my arse and most of the information coming from journos and youtubers is probably untrustworthy at best, but sometimes it's fun to speculate.

 

[Lyric Suite]

So what's the best place to buy this thing?

Still mulling over whether i want to just skip this for now or not. I got burned out hard last year but at the same time it's great to catch a FromSoft game at release so i'm not sure.

 

[Nathir]

This will be the

So what's the best place to buy thing thing?

Still mulling over whether i want to just skip this for now or not. I got burned out hard last year but at the same time it's great to catch a FromSoft game at release so i'm not sure.

Bro just buy it. This will be Froms Magnum Opus.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Oh i'll buy it and play it just not sure i want to do it now.

 

[Baron Dupek]

who wants sum spoilers about DLC and its final part?
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/elden-ring-shadow-of-erdtree-final-boss-leaks-online.1671942/
final boss is

Spoiler

not Mesmer

50h btw

 

[Remain Nameless]

Unfortunately the leaks seem to be legit, or else this is most most elaborate fake leak ever.

Spoiler

I seriously hope the rest of the dlc is best content from ever made, or else there is gonna be some serious backlash and disappointment.

Final boss

The final boss is fucking Radahn. It even re-uses the same soundtrack. And he is the consort of Miquella somehow.

 

[Spike]

who wants sum spoilers about DLC and its final part?
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/elden-ring-shadow-of-erdtree-final-boss-leaks-online.1671942/
final boss is

Spoiler

not Mesmer

50h btw

50h is based, an expansion that is half the length of the entire original game is pretty darn good. Just hope its meaty but I heard that the map is more dense, so that sounds kino. Plus, I believe there are 18 new bosses that are "main" bosses if I am not mistaken. The main game has 12 "main" bosses. Yatta!!!

 

[Elttharion]

Unfortunately the leaks seem to be legit, or else this is most most elaborate fake leak ever.

Spoiler

I seriously hope the rest of the dlc is best content from ever made, or else there is gonna be some serious backlash and disappointment.

Final boss

The final boss is fucking Radahn. It even re-uses the same soundtrack. And he is the consort of Miquella somehow.

So they made Radahn a faggot... fucking hell

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Have they said what the recommended level for ng+ characters is? I'll be going in with a level 169. Not sure if it will be too easy or too hard.

 

[Lyre Mors]

Have they said what the recommended level for ng+ characters is? I'll be going in with a level 169. Not sure if it will be too easy or too hard.

Level 120-150. You're technically almost 20 levels over the recommended ceiling, but I wouldn't worry about it being too easy.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

I wonder if they raised the soft and hard caps on attributes. You'd think they would have to since this is basically a whole new game, atleast in terms of size/length.

Fuckin hell, I just read you gotta make it all the way to Mohg in order to access the DLC. I was hoping it would be earlier. Shouldn't take very long with a high level character I guess.

 

[Spike]

I wonder if they raised the soft and hard caps on attributes. You'd think they would have to since this is basically a whole new game, atleast in terms of size/length.

Fuckin hell, I just read you gotta make it all the way to Mohg in order to access the DLC. I was hoping it would be earlier. Shouldn't take very long with a high level character I guess.

Erm if you watched Vaati's video, he PERFECTLY predicted where the DLC area would be so you could have anticipated this but erm whatever it's totally fine I guess

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

I'll just speedrun it. Shouldn't take longer than a handful of hours I would think.