From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

[Odoryuk]

Hope none of you is playing Fromsoft games with a keyboard+mouse

 

[Silverfish]

Gracefully, like a multi-headed dick hitting ass and thigh.

I'll take your word for it. I don't watch hentai.

Hope none of you is playing Fromsoft games with a keyboard+mouse

 

[General Disarray]

On the controller debate: Arguing that a controller is superior for an fps game is retarded. But analog input for stick and triggers do give it a leg up in some genres, mainly in vehicle games. I played a lot of Dirt Rally 2.0 and EA Sports Wrc where this really help precisely control the car. On my next Cyberpunk 2077 run I installed a lot of vehicles mods and switched to the controller while driving because of how bad k&m is to drive with no throttle control.

Played red dead 2 recently with a controller, and man trying to aim and shoot while Accelerating the horse and trying to keep it face plant a boulder is not fun during ambushes with several riders coming at you. But for on foot combat it worked decent with you having to issue reload, cover commands while running and aiming. But probably better on k&m.

And more on topic you are often force to play with a claw grip for Souls like and it's a But tedious that you can't even hold the controller right. Even worse in Greedfall because of the maze like levels so you have to constantly move the camera while pressing action button at the same time.

 

[abija]

Hope none of you is playing Fromsoft games with a keyboard+mouse

Other than DS1 initial release (which didn't have mouse control) they play fine despite not being properly adapted. Certainly more comfortable.

 

[Raghar]

Hope none of you is playing Fromsoft games with a keyboard+mouse

I played DS I, II, III, and IIRC also Elden Ring keyboard only.

It's not really problem because most keyboards have numpad. (It's kinda weird that they are removing numpads and other stuff from modern keyboard.)

 

[Child of Malkav]

Hope none of you is playing Fromsoft games with a keyboard+mouse

What? Is there any other way?

 

[Odoryuk]

I can't describe this, but there's this special sensory and motoric experience when playing a souls game with a gamepad, where the left and right bumper sides of your gamepads control your left and right hands, which you miss while playing with mouse, as you control both of your hands with a single hand. I tried and sometimes even was forced (gamepad broke, had to wait for the end of the week for a new one to arrive) to play with a mouse and keyboard and after gamepad it was a miserable experience. Force feedback also adds a lot.

 

[cruel]

Why people are complaining about DLC difficulty? I think I'm 3/4 done with it (Shadow Keep), and the only truly difficult thing so far was Rellana on low Scadutree level. Everything else feels 'just right'. Are people playing naked and level 10?

 

[abija]

Out in the world it was streamers/azmodan effect.
Here it's mostly hellswarm off his meds.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I think it was a combination of people never actually getting good in the base game (or ever for that matter), and the DLC starting right off the bat with crazy end game scaling out of the gate. It's like if you were to start Elden Ring again after two years of not playing it and you get dropped in the Haligtree or Farum Azula from the get go. Not to say the spike in scaling in the original wasn't abrupt to some, but you still had the entire previous game as a warm up, which probably helped. A lot of people probably just forgot what the original game was like by the time they got into this DLC.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Hell Swarm How do you jump and shoot in halo with your thumbs on the sticks?

By using the middle of your thumb to press the jump button. Modern controllers have an insane amount of remappable buttons. On the steam deck you have every finger directly on a button and I believe the new Xbox has back buttons too. So 8 buttons plus your fingers on the sticks. It's a lot of buttons you can rebind as R/L 4 and 5 are not used in most games.

Why people are complaining about DLC difficulty? I think I'm 3/4 done with it (Shadow Keep), and the only truly difficult thing so far was Rellana on low Scadutree level. Everything else feels 'just right'. Are people playing naked and level 10?

Oh look it's the 50th post of "Why do people complain about the difficulty when I haven't got to the things people complained about yet". Maybe play through the DLC and see the issues instead of making dumb posts?

Beat Mesmer yesterday and his moveset is really hard to read. He has the spiral dive where he twirls with fire then slams into you. The initial twirl doesn't have a hit box. His flaming spear can hit you and not do any damage which feels really janky. Then he spins again and does have a hit box. It's really awkward to read his moves and I've began to really dislike him on a 2nd play through.

Halo scythe is brutal in coop. Most things can't dodge it and you can throw out incredible amounts of damage. You never stop spamming discs and bosses melt. The sword of light is really cool but it's lack of poise breaking gets you fucked if you use it for anything but a disco buff.

Radahn is really annoying coop because he moves so much and his gravity spell can throw you around the arena. It's quite annoying and a problem we're going to work on once Magma blade has eaten rot bitch. If she couldn't randomly water fowl where you're in no position to escape she'd be dead long ago.

Godskin apostle and Metyr have the best music in the game. Maybe the best From music period. I've been looking for remixes but most of them suck.

If you want the best build in Elden ring click the spoiler below.

Reveal the wisdom of a Dark souls pro MLG player

Smith Hammer is hilarious. Launching mages off roofs is funny. Watching Milennia take a hammer to the back of the head and fall over is fucking great. The best is phase 1 of the frenzy boss. You send him flying and it never stops being funny.

 

[abija]

By using the middle of your thumb to press the jump button. Modern controllers have an insane amount of remappable buttons. On the steam deck you have every finger directly on a button and I believe the new Xbox has back buttons too. So 8 buttons plus your fingers on the sticks. It's a lot of buttons you can rebind as R/L 4 and 5 are not used in most games.

Don't avoid the question you little turd, it was very specific because of your retarded argument.

"2 joysticks you never have to take your thumb off give more movement control than a keyboard you have to move your fingers off the movementkeys to use. Objective truth and there's nothing you can do to change that."

You got 6 free buttons and 2 of those most likely will affect your sticks. A basic k&m has at least 13 (15 with the wheel).

And btw, the main reason holding multiple action buttons down or pressing multiple at same time for a different action is even a thing, it's the limited number of inputs on the stupid controllers.

 

[Silverfish]

And btw, the main reason holding multiple action buttons down or pressing multiple at same time for a different action is even a thing, it's the limited number of inputs on the stupid controllers.

"Limited"

 

[Vic]

I know it's supposed to be a joke, but this isn't:

This mouse has 21 customizable input controls. It's the Razer Naga V2

 

[Lyric Suite]

The lack of proper side buttons on a mouse is a pet peeve of mine. That shit above is unusuable unless you have microfingers. I had a friend who had it, and i tried it a bit and i found impossible not to hit two or three buttons at once. Granted i have big bear hands but that shit just doesn't seem workable. Only way i could use it is by focusing on the perimeter and ignore the buttons inside, so 1 2 3 and 10 11 12 were the ones i could use reliably in a clutch the rest i didn't bother that much.

I think four side bottons, possibly six at the most might be ideal. Most manufacturers however they either go too many or too few and i'm not sure why. Of course, the keyboard is right there so it's not like it's really required.

Meanwhile that controller with keyboard is retarded too. What are going gonna do, WASD a shooter and use the stick as a mouse on those micro buttons? Take your hand off the sticks to go reach for a keyboard button? Also, wouldn't that giant keyboard just make holding the controller super uncomfortable?

Consoles are limited yes. Limited in control scheme. Limited in customizability. Limited in hardware power and modularity. It's a lowest common denominator that has dragged the entire PC industry to its own level. Even graphic development was held back by that shit. As much as people screetched about graphics whore even that isn't a thing anymore. If you buy a top of the line graphic card it's because you want to play at 4K with RTX on. The graphic power is otherwise wasted and unitalized, because the game has to be made to run on shit console hardware and can't go any higher than that (and no, this has not led developers to focus more on "gameplay". Gameplay is equally shit and dumped down).

"But Lyric Suite, Japanese developers make great games on console! You are playing one now!".

Yeah like they have a fucking choice. Imagine if the PC had been as popular in Japan as it had been in the west during the heyday of gaming. So many classic consoles games with wierd control schemes, strange camera systems, cumbersome inventory management, low graphical detal or resolution, all kind of shit we could have been spared. We could also all be playing all the games. None of that shit about having to buy a PS4 to play Bloodborne.

Hell, if you want to know how ridicolous this shit is, imagine that games actually run better on Yuzu in windows as opposed to the actual console hardware they were made for. That shit just blew my mind when i first learned about it. The peasantry was off that chart with that lmao.

 

[Silverfish]

None of that shit about having to buy a PS4 to play Bloodborne.

Still hilarious that console bros got Planescape before the pc crowd got Bloodborne.

 

[Stoned Ape]

None of that shit about having to buy a PS4 to play Bloodborne.

Still hilarious that console bros got Planescape before the pc crowd got Bloodborne.

It kind of makes sense. Torment is a JRPG at heart after all...

 

[Hell Swarm]

Don't avoid the question you little turd, it was very specific because of your retarded argument.

You can't hit the jump button with your thumb on the right stick? Guess you have girly hands then don't you? lol I repeat because you don't understand.

At minimum on the modern controller you have access to L1, L2, L3, L4, L5, R1, R2, R3, R4, R5 a left analog stick and a right analog stick all without moving a single finger from it's default positioning. That's 10 buttons you can use at all times without having to move your hand off another function. Everyone knows a keyboard has more buttons than a controller but access to those buttons is superior on the controller because it's designed to have you use multiple at once so you don't have to lose 1 button to gain another. I played through Elden ring DLC on the steam deck and used L4 for blocking but I must be lying because you're upset I keep proving you wrong and you're desperate to defend your e peen lol. I've also bound jump to those buttons in the past in different games depending on how camera heavy the game is. They're quite useful.

Multi button mice are nice. I use a trackball and I struggled to find one with a mouse wheel you can tilt as extra buttons. I have mine bound to close tabs while browsing and it really speeds up basic internet usage. Good for checking lots of forum threads.

 

[Lyric Suite]

None of that shit about having to buy a PS4 to play Bloodborne.

Still hilarious that console bros got Planescape before the pc crowd got Bloodborne.

There's nothing "hilarious" about it. It's one of the primary reasons why consoles are a shit platform that should have been stamped out and buried after the 80s had passed. But because Japanese companies are led by retarted greedy boomers (like the guy in charge of Capcom today) they couldn't let it go because that's how the "bussiness" boomer mentality works, a mentality that was then picked up by Microshit.

Console exclusives are an anti-consumer practice. The fact consoltards are actually proud of that shit and even think it's a point in favor of their preference for this peasant system demonstrates why consoletards shouldn't be taken seriously in arguments. And you guys have done little to dispell the stereotype.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Side buttons on mice can be nice... but I've also had a mouse where I kept hitting that shit accidentally because it was a super sensitive button placed right where I naturally grip the mouse. At any rate, it's the keyboard hand that's not as useful. WASD is shittier than an analog stick, and using 2 at once to move on a diagonal requires 2 fingers instead of one, and generally speak there are just awkward combinations of keys to press on a keyboard, because it's inherently not designed for hitting multiple letters/numbers at the same time.

I don't think anyone has brought them up, and I've never seen them in a game; but mouse gestures are another underutilized control method. Used that shit with Opera back before it was shit, and it was very nice being able to do all the usual browser stuff without needing menus or the keyboard.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Side buttons on mice can be nice... but I've also had a mouse where I kept hitting that shit accidentally because it was a super sensitive button placed right where I naturally grip the mouse. At any rate, it's the keyboard hand that's not as useful. WASD is shittier than an analog stick, and using 2 at once to move on a diagonal requires 2 fingers instead of one, and generally speak there are just awkward combinations of keys to press on a keyboard, because it's inherently not designed for hitting multiple letters/numbers at the same time.

I don't think anyone has brought them up, and I've never seen them in a game; but mouse gestures are another underutilized control method. Used that shit with Opera back before it was shit, and it was very nice being able to do all the usual browser stuff without needing menus or the keyboard.

I would be interested in seeing someone using a trackpad and gestures to play games. That could be interesting.

I never found diagonals to be a problem since your middle finger is W and S exclusively but it becomes one of you need to move those ways and use another key.

Irony

I've never struggled with using a keyboard to play FPS. The difference is minor and I can move my fingers quick enough to make it basically irrelevant. But it doesn't stop the truth being the truth and the controller is the superior video game input for movement

 

[Damned Registrations]

I never found diagonals to be a problem since your middle finger is W and S exclusively but it becomes one of you need to move those ways and use another key.

This is what I mean. Trying to quickly hit for example, Q,1,2 or Tab after you've started holding W and A at the same time is basically impossible. Keyboard is full of such awkward combinations and the problem is that which keys are accessible changes depending on which direction you need to strafe. You can't bind to Q in case you need WA, but can't bind to E in case you need WD. Closest I've come to solving this is moving 'W/S' to mouse buttons, but that shit gets awkward too in some ways. Mice also run into issues if you need to turn continuously for a long period of time, because you run out of mousepad pretty quick.

 

[Vic]

Trying to quickly hit for example, Q,1,2 or Tab after you've started holding W and A at the same time is basically impossible.

Move, jump, while in the air hit Q. It's not impossible, it's about getting used to the game's controls. What you're describing sounds like newb problems to me tbh.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Trying to quickly hit for example, Q,1,2 or Tab after you've started holding W and A at the same time is basically impossible.

Move, jump, while in the air hit Q. It's not impossible, it's about getting used to the game's controls. What you're describing sounds like newb problems to me tbh.

What you're describing might work for some games, but not everything is an FPS with momentum jumping.

Warframe is a good example of a game that gets super fucking awkward to control. Strafing is useful, and there are times you'll want to hit sprint, crouch, and jump at basically the exact same time as you activate one of your spells while moving forward and strafing. Good luck with that shit unless you've come up with a very odd set of keybinds. Keep in mind you've also got like half a dozen other important things to bind as well.

 

[Vic]

What you're describing might work for some games, but not everything is an FPS with momentum jumping.

If something you want to do doesn't work or is very awkward to do it's not the keyboard's fault but the game's controls; or a skill issue. A game with good controls will play flawlessly on a keyboard.

there are times you'll want to hit sprint, crouch, and jump at basically the exact same time as you activate one of your spells while moving forward and strafing. Good luck with that shit unless you've come up with a very odd set of keybinds. Keep in mind you've also got like half a dozen other important things to bind as well.

I never played Warframe but I doubt a game like that can get away with having bad controls. Sounds again like skill issue to me.