Grimoire Thread

[Rakshar]

I can't believe I succumbed to the incline as well and bought it at the $36 price. Must say I have not regretted it one bit and I respect Cleve for finally releasing his magnum opus.

 

[iqzulk]

Charm*7 on an NPC
@
Steal everything including critical quest items

Repeat for the next NPC.

Also, apparently, anyone having access to spells can learn ANY spells from the books without any restrictions, even if those spells don't ever appear in that class' spell selections on levelups. The only gateway is the value of Scribe skill, necessary for scribing the book. And, well, there is ReadMagic*7 for that. 6 of my party members have just scribed 12 books each.

 

[Jenkem]

That would be cool as hell, but I think it would require a lot of work to make the controls intuitive on a controller.

it could have touchscreen controls while in handheld mode!

 

[agentorange]

Jesus, woke up this morning, casually checked in on the Grimoire store page. Reading through the negative reviews is giving me cancer.

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A relic of a bygone era, this game plays like a Ford Edsel. The interface is bad, even by 90s stardards. It is difficult to read, and uses a font that reminds me of comic sans. It even lacks icons that properly indicate their' function, such as the options menu being represented by two dice.

The music is repetitive and lacks inspiration, a trait that is emphasised by the constant loop it plays in. While on the topic of sound, the enemies you encounter will, nine times out of ten, blast you with a barrage of identical low quality sound effects, if there are multiple enemies on the screen then all of these sounds are played at the same time, resulting in a highly deformed mess of screeching, clacking, and sometimes mumbled gibberish. To complement the audatory overload, many assets in this "game" appear to still be using placeholder names, leaving you both deaf and confused. A few cases in point: The "?WORMS?" sound like machine guns, the "?RUDE CHAPS?" scream unintelligibly, and always in tandom with their fellow brethern, and the "?UGLY DOG?" is very clearly a rat.

Before we cover the this games' balance - there is none - lets take a look at the story.

The storyline that is presented on the menu screen is overly vague, and fails to properly describe the events leading you up to your "adventure". What is presented is disjointed, and makes very little sense with all of the antiquated jargins used to try and spice up what would otherwise be a typical, if not boring storyline that MAY have been acceptable in 1997, but utterly disappoints by todays standards. When you actually jump in and play the game, the information provided to you is usually either irrelivant, or just drawn out, such as the fairy you encounter at the start of a puke green forest level. The game treats you like a child in this regard, despite there being virtually no explantion as to how anything else works. It can't trust you NOT to see a heap of bones and take them as a source of ambiance - it can't afford for you to bypass the glory of a fairy that advetises museums of magic. It essentially slams you on the head with a plank, nearly demanding that you apperciate the "lore" that you can speciously call thorough.

Now for game balance. There is literally no balance that I can discern from my time playing this 20 year conundrem. I start a party, and 5 movements in a pack of giant bats appear and sluaghter 5 of my 8 party members. When I retreated, which killed another one of my characters, I heard a soundclip of Monty Python and the Holy Grail blast "RUN AWAY!" into my headphones. So much for ambiance.

Preventing new players from even getting a feel for a games controls before they are killed is perhaps the most bizzare design choice that a developer could ever choose, and Grimoire has perfected this to an artform. It ruins any hope of enjoying this non-sensical storyline racked with deformed and illogical sound effects and placeholder titles.

Grimoire took 20 years to release, and needs another 20 for it to be considered marginally enjoyable, even by 90s standards. Instead of shelling near 40 dollars for a Wizardry clone, created by a disgruntled former employee of the now closed Sir-Tech software company, buy Wizardry 7, the game the developer has spent so much time trying to plagarize.

A lot of that is fair criticism. But of course the codex is a safespace where certain games are not allowed to be criticized.

 

[Valky]

A lot of that is fair criticism. But of course the codex is a safespace where certain games are not allowed to be criticized.

You sound like a faggot who should go back to Tides of Numenara or PoE.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

This is the best RPG of the last 20 years. I think the last time we had an RPG that was magical and had a perfectly realized world and boundless ingenuity and charm was with Might & Magic VI.

It had more heart and ingenuity in the first two areas than in the whole of any RPG realized in the last ten years, easily.

 

[Lady_Error]

So, I like doing weird stuff like a no-magic party, or an all-magic party.

Is it safe to assume either of those would be extremely difficult or even impossible to succeed with?

For magic only party:

If you choose a race with enough AGI and TAC, and then pump the remaining points into HP, that spell caster should survive in the front row. After you pick up Little Rosy and other spellcaster NPC's, I think that it's possible to survive.

For all no-magic party:

Depends on whether you count Bards as magic users or not - strictly speaking they aren't. 8 Bards, just saying. A pure brute force party with no Bards will probably have the hardest time in the beginning.

 

[DashiDMV]

The first person to add goldenbabygiveaways as a friend on steam gets some incline.

 

[udm]

A lot of that is fair criticism. But of course the codex is a safespace where certain games are not allowed to be criticized.

Well sure I don't deny the game is not perfect, and I can respect an opinion, no matter how much it goes against mine (or how painfully hyperbolic it is), but this is sheer ignorance:

"To complement the audatory overload, many assets in this "game" appear to still be using placeholder names, leaving you both deaf and confused. A few cases in point: The "?WORMS?" sound like machine guns, the "?RUDE CHAPS?" scream unintelligibly, and always in tandom with their fellow brethern, and the "?UGLY DOG?" is very clearly a rat."

 

[mogwaimon]

The first person to add goldenbabygiveaways as a friend on steam gets some incline.

Got it. Thank you so much, massive incline incoming

 

[mondblut]

Do you know if a similar method is required to get Smithers to talk about "Crest"? I've tried Charm and Mindread on him, but he won't spill any beans. Is levelling Diplomacy, etc. required for this particular situation? Thanks in advance.

He casually mentions his father. Ask about him.

 

[Lady_Error]

The enemy sounds are indeed annoying and Cleve already announced he will add the option to turn them off completely.

Other than that, I'm loving it. Created a party from scratch with 7 people and picked up Little Rosy to stomp my way through Aquavia and the Greenday Gang. For anyone creating a party, pick Naga or Saurian Warriors/Berserkers for the front row.

 

[Tomatohead]

Lady Error, can you post your party, which classes / races you picked up and why? How can I pick up Lil' Rosy, is it only after finishing the first few areas? I want to know the deeper meaning of all this. There has to be something. In real life I would just use a glass jar to trap her like a bee, or maybe a van and duct tape.

 

[Viata]

picked up Little Rosy

Disgusting. Recruiting, never once. They break the game.

 

[DashiDMV]

Let's do one more tonight in honor of page 69. The first person to add goldenbabygivesaways as a friend and say in chat the name of the person who's apartment Cleve had to wade through dildos and kiddie porn while doing a Stones of Arnhem meeting gets a free copy.

 

[Rostere]

How can I pick up Lil' Rosy, is it only after finishing the first few areas? I want to know the deeper meaning of all this. There has to be something. In real life I would just use a glass jar to trap her like a bee, or maybe a van and duct tape.

Just talk to her, use the "recruit" option. You might need some stats like FEL (Fellowship) but I think you should be able to do it right away. Make sure you have an empty character slot. You can meet her immediately outside Crowl.

 

[DarKPenguiN]

I'm heading towards 15 or so so hours and ive yet to scratch the surface.

Levels upon levels of brilliance and hands down the best Crpg ive played in a very, very long time based on the little bit ive seen thus far.

Better than wiz 6/7? Maybe- All I know is that I'm really having a blast and even though theres some frustrations and its very difficult (unless you exploit the bard it seems lol) this has exceeded my expectations and I was already thinking it was going to be excellent.

Damn Cleve- You fucking did it.

 

[mogwaimon]

After trying to get scaling working (I get a black screen when both windowed mode and scaling are enabled, each option works individually for some reason) I rolled up a party. I got another game going at the moment so will probably begin Grimoire after. Wasn't expecting a giveaway after all, but I got a Saurian berserker, Giant Warrior, Barrower Metalsmith, Leonar Ranger, Human Cleric, Durendil Bard, Drow Wizard, and Aeorb Necromancer. Figured I'd go with a full party of my own people instead of going for recruitables, especially if they're broken right now.

 

[DashiDMV]

https://steamspy.com/app/650670

 

[Reapa]

After trying to get scaling working (I get a black screen when both windowed mode and scaling are enabled, each option works individually for some reason) I rolled up a party. I got another game going at the moment so will probably begin Grimoire after. Wasn't expecting a giveaway after all, but I got a Saurian berserker, Giant Warrior, Barrower Metalsmith, Leonar Ranger, Human Cleric, Durendil Bard, Drow Wizard, and Aeorb Necromancer. Figured I'd go with a full party of my own people instead of going for recruitables, especially if they're broken right now.

what is the other game you are playing?

 

[mogwaimon]

what is the other game you are playing?

I started Strangers of Sword City the other day, which I know isn't as good as Grimoire in terms of charm and complexity at least, but it's also more ideal for me as someone new to blobbers. Like I said, wasn't expecting any sort of giveaway, I just happened to be alt-tabbed out of SotSC and checking Codex when I saw the post.

 

[Lady_Error]

Figured I'd go with a full party of my own people instead of going for recruitables, especially if they're broken right now.

Recruitables aren't broken. They make life easier in the beginning, but that's it.

 

[Reapa]

Figured I'd go with a full party of my own people instead of going for recruitables, especially if they're broken right now.

Recruitables aren't broken. They make life trivial in the beginning, but that's it.

ftfy

a 50hp fairy with 300mana and magic missile aoe makes the rest of your party and all thought you put into it completely useless, no matter how hard you try to defend it.
edit: btw, about the same time some of your other chars level up, the fairy also levels up and gets a nice fireball to boot.

 

[mogwaimon]

Figured I'd go with a full party of my own people instead of going for recruitables, especially if they're broken right now.

Recruitables aren't broken. They make life easier in the beginning, but that's it.

Well not broken in the technical sense, but people have been complaining about the recruitables stats being too high, having impossible skill combinations, and other such things in this thread. Seems like a good choice in the short term but in the long term it's probably better to have the other two slots filled with your own guys

Spoiler

especially if we don't know if the recruitable NPCs will eventually betray/leave you sometime down the line, leaving you down a member

 

[Great Deceiver]

I am mostly surprised by Lady Errors review on Metacritic tbh...

EDIT: Oh and link: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/grimoire-heralds-of-the-winged-exemplar

Commie is really butthurt. That's my guess.

Isn't that self-evident from the name?

This is pathetic. The very thing they try to ridicule with that smug contempt that can only come from blatant ignorance is actually true. Fucking libtards - 25 years ago, now, doesn't matter. They're all retarded.