Baldur's Gate Is Aerie from BG2 underage?

[JamesDixon]

You are an idiot. Better go read some more about elves especially in the elf guidebook. A 60 year old elf is not the equivalent of a 16 year old human. Only ignorant retarts think do. FFS Go read the dark elf trilogy and see the bullshitvelves at these ages were capable of doing. Lmao

Not an argument you waste of space. You presented a groomer argument and this is your reply. The only leftist here is you with your claims that a child is more mature then humans due to an arbitrary number. That's a groomer argument. Shall I continue you fucking retard?

By the way, you misspell retard because you are a fucking retard. There is no such word as retart.

Also, the question of the thread is she underage. Yes, she is by Elvish standards.

 

[JamesDixon]

You are an idiot. Better go read some more about elves especially in the elf guidebook. A 60 year old elf is not the equivalent of a 16 year old human. Only ignorant retarts think do. FFS Go read the dark elf trilogy and see the bullshitvelves at these ages were capable of doing. Lmao

Oh one final thing, I did read the The Complete Handbook to Elves because I quoted it. Are you fucking stupid, illiterate, or both? I'll let you decide fuckstick.

 

[rojay]

Holy shit. I am not often surprised by shit I read on this site, but fuck me with a carrot you're a moron.

Females have a certain number of eggs, and drop one every month. For humans, that's between 15 and 50, lets say. After that, no eggs left, no pregnancies possible.
But elves live many thousands of years. Obviously they don't carry hundreds of times more eggs, because these are actual physical things, with mass and volume, and they won't fit inside an elf.

Out of curiosity, how are you calculating the mass and volume of elf eggs? Do you have charts and spreadsheets for that sort of thing? Is there a splat book that documents fey fertility? Is it called "Feytility?"

I will be very grateful if you'd continue to share your thoughts on the topic.

 

[Volourn]

Still a retart, I see. Keep up the good work. Thinking a 60 year old elf is the same as a 16 year old human. That is very definition of retart.

 

[JamesDixon]

Still a retart, I see. Keep up the good work. Thinking a 60 year old elf is the same as a 16 year old human. That is very definition of retart.

Look at the retard that says to look at the Complete Book of Elves and ignores the entire chart showing the life stages of elves. You're a dumb whore.

Looking up the Avariel Elves in the Complete Book of Elves (AD&D 2E) they live to a max of 300 years before leaving (page 120). Following the chart on page 37, the closest race in age is the Aquatic. Their age bands are:

Childhood: 1-59
Adolescence: 60-99
Adulthood: 100-159
Middle Age: 160-219
Old Age: 220-299
Venerable Age: 300
Max Age: 300+3D100

Elves age at a much slower rate then humans.

Yes, you are a retard because you can't spell.

 

[JamesDixon]

Now to make Volourn look even dumber, here's AD&D 2E Complete Book of Elves pages 36-39. This shows exactly what I said, so the dumb whore has a problem with how elves were originally written in AD&D 2E.

Spoiler

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Feytility

Nice one

 

[whydoibother]

Out of curiosity, how are you calculating the mass and volume of elf eggs? Do you have charts and spreadsheets for that sort of thing?

The mass and volume of the egg is greater than zero. In an immortal being that's fertile all along its potentially infinite lifespan, that would amount to an infinite amount of mass and volume. The elven phenotype doesn't support this hypothesis.
Stay mad, I'm right.

 

[Sarathiour]

Out of curiosity, how are you calculating the mass and volume of elf eggs? Do you have charts and spreadsheets for that sort of thing?

The mass and volume of the egg is greater than zero. In an immortal being that's fertile all along its potentially infinite lifespan, that would amount to an infinite amount of mass and volume. The elven phenotype doesn't support this hypothesis.
Stay mad, I'm right.

Don't forget to mail wotc, they apparently did not get your memo and still classify the elf as mortal and prone to aging.

 

[whydoibother]

Out of curiosity, how are you calculating the mass and volume of elf eggs? Do you have charts and spreadsheets for that sort of thing?

The mass and volume of the egg is greater than zero. In an immortal being that's fertile all along its potentially infinite lifespan, that would amount to an infinite amount of mass and volume. The elven phenotype doesn't support this hypothesis.
Stay mad, I'm right.

Don't forget to mail wotc, they apparently did not get your memo and still classify the elf as mortal and prone to aging.

This is damage control to get around to the physics paradox of egg volume.

 

[Sarathiour]

Greenwood wrote elf capable of changing their genitalia or some shit, at this point they can probably ovulate at will and fart rainbow.

 

[Volourn]

I win again. Those pages prove my point. Thanks.

 

[Kruno]

Why are people still discussing this?

 

[JamesDixon]

I win again. Those pages prove my point. Thanks.

Not. I guess you're illiterate on top of being a fucking abortion reject. You lose again you dumb fucking whore.

I guess you're officially a groomer now. Since a 60 year old elf is the equivalent of a 12 year old pre-teen complete with the body. That's disturbing.

 

[JamesDixon]

So I take it that you like preteens Volourn?

 

[Lacrymas]

A 60 year old elf is way more mature/adult than some 16 year old teenage human girl. That is as much experience as a 60 year old adult human.

Incorrect, since the way growing up is described it's identical to humans. It's just slower. That means they don't get to be more experienced/mature then humans due to increased longevity. Let's review the numbers shall we?

Human Childhood: 1-11
Avariel Childhood: 1-59

Avariel elves age 18.6% slower in this band. Even if said elf is 59 years old they still are the same as an 11 year old human. They will have the same level of experience as well. You're not going to leave a child be alone by themselves in this age bracket.

Human Adolescence: 12-17
Avariel Adolescence: 60-99

Avariel elves age is at 17.17%-20% slower than humans of the same band. Again you wouldn't let a a 60 year old elf adventure in the wild just like you wouldn't let a 12 year old human child. The closer to adulthood is when they earn more and more freedom.

As one can see, that elvish physical bodies age at a much slower rate compared to humans. Sure, they may live longer, but the equivalent age is also longer. 1 year to a 1 year old human is 1 year, but to an elf it's 1 year 4.8 months.

Thus, your entire premise is false due to the longer aging process in elves to reach the equivalent human stage of development.

No, it's been confirmed elves reach physical maturity at about the same age as humans. Then they become frozen in time for quite a while. That means that if you start dating an 18-year-old elf as a 18-year-old human and then reach the same age as, oh, I don't know, let's say Ed Greenwood, the elf would still be 18! How convenient!

 

[JamesDixon]

No, it's been confirmed elves reach physical maturity at about the same age as humans. Then they become frozen in time for quite a while. That means that if you start dating an 18-year-old elf as a 18-year-old human and then reach the same age as, oh, I don't know, let's say Ed Greenwood, the elf would still be 18! How convenient!

I don't accept DANDINO 5.0 and I don't accept Roll20 as a valid source. Since BG 2 was created using AD&D 2E those are the rules we're using.

So going off of the official AD&D 2E rules used by BG 2 this is the following age range for elves. The first number is human and the number range is for elves using Table 4 from The Complete Book of Elves for AD&D 2E in years.

Human | Aquatic/Avariel Elf Childhood
1 | 1-5.3
2 | 5.4-10.7
3 | 10.8-16.1
4 | 16.2-21.5
5 | 21.6-26.9
6 | 27-32.3
7 | 32.4-37.7
8 | 37.8-43.1
9 | 43.2-48.5
10 | 48.6-53.9
11 | 54-59

It says on page 38, "Elves remain children for approximately 65-75 years. They grow slowly throughout these years, achieving a height of 4 feet at most." Thus, the elf is still in the pre-pubescent stage of their lives. If you disagree with the writing in the AD&D 2E rules then you're a nonce.

Human | Aquatic/Avariel Elf Adolescence
12 | 59.1-65.6
13 | 66.7-72.1
14 | 72.2-78.7
15 | 78.8-85.3
16 | 85.4-91.9
17 | 92-98.5
18 | 98.6-99

Continuing with the description on page 38 for adolescence, "At about age 75, elves enter adolescence. Whether male or female makes no difference; both sexes mature at roughly the same time and at the same rate." Adolescence is puberty.

A few notes here. Drow mature fastest out of all the Elvish racial subtypes while Grey elves take the longest to mature. The following table is the numbers for childhood and adolescence of those two compared to humans with the span of years for each human year of development.

Human | Drow Elf Childhood
1 |1-4.4
2 | 4.5-8.9
3 | 9-13.4
4 | 13.5-17.9
5 | 18-22.4
6 | 22.5-26.9
7 | 27-31.4
8 | 31.5-35.9
9 | 36-40.4
10 | 40.5-44.9
11 | 45-49

Human | Grey Elf Childhood
1 | 1-7.18
2 | 7.19-14.37
3 | 14.38-21.56
4 | 21.57-28.75
5 | 28.76-35.94
6 | 35.95-43.13
7 | 43.14-50.32
8 | 50.33-57.51
9 | 57.52-64.7
10 | 64.8-71.89
11 | 71.9-79

Human | Drow Elf Adolescence
12 | 49.1-54
13 | 54.1-58.9
14 | 59-63.8
15 | 63.9-68.7
16 | 68.8-73.6
17 | 73.7-78.5
18 | 78.6-79

Human | Grey Elf Adolescence
12 | 79.1-85.6
13 | 85.7-92.2
14 | 92.3-98.8
15 | 98.9-105.4
16 | 105.5-112
17 | 112.1-118.6
18 | 118.7-119

The table and rules are quite clear on how elves age in AD&D 2E which BG 2 uses. As such, Aerie would be roughly 84.5-99 years old for an Avariel Elf. She would be the equivalent of a 16-18 year old human. She is a teenager due to her growth as an Elf.

So by using your statement of 18 years old that makes the elf, depending on the racial subtype, between 3-4 years as a human in body and mind. That is a toddler. Are you sure you want to keep going with your justification in the face of AD&D 2E rules?

 

[Lacrymas]

If we go by those rules (I'm sure Bioware didn't), then we might say Aerie is a child, but we technically don't know how old she actually is.

 

[Lacrymas]

Here's the thing with that. I'm sure Bioware didn't intend to implement a romance with a literal child, that can only be interpreted as an implication from the lore and her dialogue. It's not explicit is what I'm saying, especially because we don't know how old she is, as opposed to, let's say, the incest moment between Luke and Leia in Star Wars. However, all the female romance options in BG2 have this visual novel-style choose-your-type vibe. Jaheira is your aunt and a widow (incest + "stop her grieving with your cock), Aerie is borderline illegal and Viconia is a dominatrix cougar that you can fix with your cock. Sooooo, pick your poison, I guess.

 

[JamesDixon]

If we go by those rules (I'm sure Bioware didn't), then we might say Aerie is a child, but we technically don't know how old she actually is.

Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn is a role-playing video game developed by BioWare and published by Interplay Entertainment. It is the sequel to Baldur's Gate (1998) and was released for Microsoft Windows in September 2000. Like Baldur's Gate, the game takes place in the Forgotten Realms—a fantasy campaign setting—and is based on the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition rules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur's_Gate_II:_Shadows_of_Amn

The Complete Book of Elves was published in 1993. BG 2 was in 2000. BioWare used as much of the rules as they could. Given that the writer of BG 2 is not a nonce and wrote the character to be a teenager, this means her age is what I said it was. She's between 85.5-99 years old. Since she had to get her parents permission that means she wasn't an adult yet. That pushes her age back from 99 to a max of 98.5. That means she's between the ages of 16-17 in human lifespan.

None of the elves described in AD&D 2E are nonces which is what you are implying.

 

[Trithne]

No, it's been confirmed elves reach physical maturity at about the same age as humans. Then they become frozen in time for quite a while. That means that if you start dating an 18-year-old elf as a 18-year-old human and then reach the same age as, oh, I don't know, let's say Ed Greenwood, the elf would still be 18! How convenient!

So basically elves age like an extreme version of Asian women.

 

[JamesDixon]

Here's the thing with that. I'm sure Bioware didn't intend to implement a romance with a literal child, that can only be interpreted as an implication from the lore and her dialogue. It's not explicit is what I'm saying, especially because we don't know how old she is, as opposed to, let's say, the incest moment between Luke and Leia in Star Wars. However, all the female romance options in BG2 have this visual novel-style choose-your-type vibe. Jaheira is your aunt and a widow (incest + "stop her grieving with your cock), Aerie is borderline illegal and Viconia is a dominatrix cougar that you can fix with your cock. Sooooo, pick your poison, I guess.

The author of BG 2 didn't make a nonce relationship. It is legal within the US as the age range for Aerie is 16-17. People will accept that, but won't accept anything younger. They have a real problem with 15 year old's or younger getting married and that was back then.

 

[Lacrymas]

Ok, let's go with that. Why do you assume she is between 85 and 99 and not younger? I theorised she is at best 60.

 

[JamesDixon]

Ok, let's go with that. Why do you assume she is between 85 and 99 and not younger? I theorised she is at best 60.

I explained why complete with maths and tables plus rules. If she was 60 as an Avariel elf then she would be the equivalent of a 12 year human girl that hasn't gone through puberty first or just starting it. Are you for nonces?

 

[JamesDixon]

For reference here is the Monster Compendium write up for Avariel Elves from The Complete Book of Elves.