Baldur's Gate Is Aerie from BG2 underage?

[JamesDixon]

JamesDixon the novels with Abdel Adrian are 100% not canon and we've discussed this on this very forum in the past. I'll find the relevant quotes when I get back home. The Abdel Adrian from A Murder in Baldur's Gate is not the same one as the one in the novels.

I've already proven that he is. I even linked his article as the Bhaalspawn.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Abdel_Adrian

Bye bye

 

[Serus]

This "discussion" still ongoing is peak autism even by Codex standards.

 

[JamesDixon]

BTW @JamesDixon here's an important interview with that BG novelization writer you like so much https://www.shacknews.com/article/1...finity-engine-era-of-rpgs?page=10#detail-view

This is a strawman since I didn't even read the books. I pointed out he was the writer plus being the line editor for Forgotten Realms and that was it. I don't even know who the fuck he is.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

This "discussion" still ongoing is peak autism even by Codex standards.

That's what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.

 

[Radiane]

BG 2 designer´s thinking:
"Ahaha. Gorion´s Ward is the Bhaalspawn. His father fucked fire giants and rabbits alike. Who cares then if a little elf with clipped wings is underage or not? Social moral standards?? yeah right "

 

[Volourn]

Aerie never cast one illegal spell. She wins again. She is too much of an adult to lazily break such laws. She us Aldo much older than the PC who us decidely NOT that Abshit loser. He is never mentioned in the game do he can he be considered game canon? Lmfao

 

[Lacrymas]

JamesDixon, iirc, we did get written confirmation from WotC, lol.

 

[Roguey]

I written want proof that the game series was never written with a specific canon in mind either from Bioware or WotC.

You can see what's meant to be canon by importing a save from BG to BG2. The starting party of Minsc, Dynaheir, Imoen, Jaheira, and Khalid is canon (which also strongly suggests that the PC being a good person is canon). But if you see a former companion who died in BG, you can choose a dialogue option to find out why they're not still dead which accommodates what happened in your playthrough. If the PC was meant to be a specific race or gender, then you wouldn't even have the options available, it'd be like Planescape Torment with the option to choose your class.

Prove that it wasn't written with the novels in mind. I'd like that in written form from either Bioware or WotC please.

Already did about 20 minutes ago.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

strongly suggests that the PC being a good person is canon

How plebeian.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

strongly suggests that the PC being a good person is canon

How plebeian.

In comparison to Bhaal anyway

 

[Sarathiour]

The starting party of Minsc, Dynaheir, Imoen, Jaheira, and Khalid is canon

Which btw would be terrible, going trough bg1 without a cleric is really not an enjoyable experience.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

The starting party of Minsc, Dynaheir, Imoen, Jaheira, and Khalid is canon

Which btw would be terrible, going trough bg1 without a cleric is really not an enjoyable experience.

Between a druid and whatever Dynaheir was, I think you're covered.

 

[JamesDixon]

JamesDixon, iirc, we did get written confirmation from WotC, lol.

You haven't posted it. Where's the proof? You seem to run short of that.

You can see what's meant to be canon by importing a save from BG to BG2. The starting party of Minsc, Dynaheir, Imoen, Jaheira, and Khalid is canon (which also strongly suggests that the PC being a good person is canon). But if you see a former companion who died in BG, you can choose a dialogue option to find out why they're not still dead which accommodates what happened in your playthrough. If the PC was meant to be a specific race or gender, then you wouldn't even have the options available, it'd be like Planescape Torment with the option to choose your class

Nope, the canon protagonist is Abdel Adrian not your fan fiction character you create. You wanted to die on the hill of canon well this is it. It's a bit like playing Dragonlance SSI games. You can choose to use the default canon party or you can create your own. The canon party is canon while yours is not.

Already did about 20 minutes ago.

Thank you for that. Proof isn't hard to provide now is it?

This also has nothing to do with the point I made that Aeria is a teenager and minor. She's in the TTRPG game as well thus those rules for ages are in effect. You can't hide from that. Defeat the rules of AD&D 2E and let me know when you can otherwise have a good day.

 

[Pink Eye]

Between a druid and whatever Dynaheir was, I think you're covered.

i like how in bg 1 when dynaheir dies. minsc goes berserk. yet if she dies at the start of the second game. he doesn't do anything about it. as a matter of fact he forgets about and moves on. gr8 writing from bioware.

 

[Roguey]

Defeat the rules of AD&D 2E and let me know when you can otherwise have a good day.

Bioware did that by simply ignoring them, just as many other players did, which is why suddenly, with no in-world explanation whatsoever, elves suddenly aged to maturity at the same rate as humans in the Forgotten Realms.

 

[Lacrymas]

JamesDixon I said I'll find the relevant quotes when I get back home, but you can look for them yourself. Type Abdel Adrian as a search query in posts by Joseph Stalin. He communicated with WotC a lot and posted their correspondence here.

 

[JamesDixon]

Defeat the rules of AD&D 2E and let me know when you can otherwise have a good day.

Bioware did that by simply ignoring them, just as many other players did, which is why suddenly, with no in-world explanation whatsoever, elves suddenly aged to maturity at the same rate as humans in the Forgotten Realms.

That's not defeating the rules of the TTRPG. Keep trying because I'm really laughing at you.

 

[Volourn]

Abshit is not canon. He's not even in the fukkin game. Stop making shit ip. Aerie is an adult. She is way older than the PC so she is the child molester.

 

[Pink Eye]

Roguey Bioware sucks. Baldur's Gate games suck. Dragon Age Origins sucks too.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Why this thread is a thing? Why is it still going on? Why there's 18 pages of this crap?

Is... is this our Tali sweat thread?

 

[Lacrymas]

Iirc, Abdel is no longer Charname and he's a different Bhaalspawn that got involved in A Murder in Baldur's Gate. It's quite murky either way, though.

 

[JamesDixon]

JamesDixon I said I'll find the relevant quotes when I get back home, but you can look for them yourself. Type Abdel Adrian as a search query in posts by Joseph Stalin. He communicated with WotC a lot and posted their correspondence here.

I looked and he presented no evidence. However, I brought my own.

In brief, as a rule of thumb, the hierarchy is as follows:

1. Official Forgotten Realms sources (sourcebooks, novels, adventures, articles)
2. Ed Greenwood
3. Core D&D sources
4. Other D&D settings
5. Licensed material (comics, video games)
6. Online posts

Baldur's Gate novels > PC games in the hierarchy of canon.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Forgotten_Realms_Wiki:Canon

 

[Lagole Gon]

Roguey Bioware sucks. Baldur's Gate games suck. Dragon Age Origins sucks too.

Big words for someone starring in Wrath of the Righteous.

 

[Pink Eye]

 

[JamesDixon]

Iirc, Abdel is no longer Charname and he's a different Bhaalspawn that got involved in A Murder in Baldur's Gate. It's quite murky either way, though.

Incorrect, here's the proof.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Abdel_Adrian

Because of his many years and storied life, Abdel was known by many other names and held several noteworthy titles; among his nicknames were Gorion's Ward,[1] the Hero of Baldur's Gate,[2] the Godling, and the Bhaalspawn.[3] His titles included Marshal of the Flaming Fist and Grand Duke of Baldur's Gate.[10]

1. BioWare (December 1998). Designed by James Ohlen. Baldur's Gate. Black Isle Studios.
2. Beamdog (March 2016). Designed by Philip Daigle, et al. Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear. Beamdog.
3. BioWare (September 2000). Designed by James Ohlen, Kevin Martens. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn. Black Isle Studios.
4. Ed Greenwood, Matt Sernett, Steve Winter (August 20, 2013). “Campaign Guide”. In Dawn J. Geluso ed. Murder in Baldur's Gate (Wizards of the Coast), p. 37. ISBN 0-7869-6463-4.

He's still canon.