Game News Jeff Vogel Responding To Critics

[Trash]

Yeah, I'm pretty 4chan.

The moment you start inserting your cute witticisms you are. Nothing wrong with throwing a little of your own opinion in or trying to make a smarmy comment. Problem is that it's delivered so heavy handed and childish that it's just about unbearable.

Perhaps you could put your case forward with examples/knowledge that says otherwise? You have been here much longer after all. What do you think is wrong, or has happened?

Done that a very long time. Got tired of arguing it. The gist of it? The number of active admins steadily dropped untill it was the guy in favor of keeping dumbfuckery out and the dude that did the technical work. They got into an argument about the rising amount of dumbfuckery here and the technical dude removed the other admins priviledges. Ever since he's been toying around and lolling.

 

[Destroid]

At least Chris Avellone can appreciate our art.

 

[Forest Dweller]

Jeff overreacted with that post of his. Not that hard to see why when you do read the Avadon threads here though. Lots of the comments are of the usual 4chandex 'lololol retarded popamole dumbfuck decline worst shit evah' variety.

I have to say ( as a relative outsider ( 3 post ~~ ) but frequent reader ): although we could expect from this forum to be a place of high quality topics with interesting comments from experienced rpg players, it's actually more like 90% of hattin', trollin' and 4chan bullshitting. It's getting boring.

On top of that, apparently, a very small minority here ACTUALLY likes rpg games other than [random 90's indie game that nobody knows].

yes, sure i can probably gtfo. i'm just disappointed.

Well well.

 

[waywardOne]

why would he give such an easily destroyed, knee-jerk reaction directed at people who will gladly do so?

maybe his game sucks, maybe it's great, but now all the attention is on how insecure and hypocritical he is. wtg, jv.

 

[DakaSha]

If I was rich, actually was interested enough to check it out, thought the game had potential and it only took a single mouse click after reading this:

By TPB, the poster means The Pirate Bay. In other words, he's saying to go pirate it. I honestly think that most of these complaints are not sincere. They're just pretending the game is bad to justify their pirating it (and playing the whole thing three times). Another good reason to be very careful about whose feedback you accept.

I'd pirate it with a big fat smile on my face

 

[Gord]

So a guy being criticised by the Codex in typical Codex manner is somewhat defensive about his shit he was working on for years?

Don't understand why that is creating any turmoil here, it's fairly obvious after all.

 

[Spectacle]

This place has always been like that. Liberal use of the ignore button tends to help those with a thin skin.

It's definitely gotten worse though, seems we have a lot more posters now who enjoy being dicks for it's own sake, rather than enjoying being able to voice their opinion on anything without worrying about being a dick.

 

[Hysael]

a lot of us here have been playing rpgs for at least 20 or 30 years and have seen games rise from simplistic beginnings to increasing complexity in presentation and mechanics and now suffer from saturation and are appalled by the recent trend of simplification that feels like going backwards in time.
we need more complex systems that do things that we didn't already see done hundreds of times, while modern games give us increasingly simpler systems for so-called accessibility.
we're grumpy old people who miss the times when rpgs were made by huge nerds loving rpgs for huge nerds loving rpgs.

At my level, I do regret the dumbing down of RPGs since BG2 ( my first rpg and reference ).
But i try to find entertainment where i can (like in DA:O for instance).
I can understand that for older players with older references, it must be quite difficult. it must sucks to be you :/

Well well, looks like we have an INTERNET NIGGER in our midst.

Sorry i'm not familiar with the term.

 

[Gosling]

Didn't Vogel once say on his blog that it's fine to pirate his games if you can't afford it?

Sometimes It's OK To Steal My Games

It's also funny to hear how Trash of all people is whining about "The Decline of the Codex".

 

[Roguey]

This is why you should always stick to your own advice. Though that was very entertaining. Possibly more entertaining than Avadon itself?

This place has always been like that.

It hasn't. That's the thing.

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2003 4:41 pm Post subject: What the *&^%$ is happened here? Report this post / user! Reply with quote
http://rpgcodex.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php ... sc&start=0

Sorry to say but...after reading this thread filled with hatefull, ignorant and arrogant crap I was utterly disgusted. Why people feel the need to express their stupidity in this manner and why no moderator took any action is beyond me.
For awhile now I was distressed about a lot of the comments in the forum. Ranging from wishing cancer on to everybody affiliated with bioware to short sighted offensive crap about other people/country's and the complete inability of quite a few people to see different opinions as equally worthy as their own.
Rpgcodex has great newsbits, neat reviews and a great layout and some very interesting takes on computer rpg gameing ,therefore I'll defenitely keep on visiting the site, but the forums with all the pseudo-intellectual, arrogant and bitter rhetoric...well I'll say goodbye to them.

Trash a.k.a Roy Ettema signs off.

 

[Gosling]

At my level, I do regret the dumbing down of RPGs since BG2 ( my first rpg and reference ).
But i try to find entertainment where i can (like in DA:O for instance).
I can understand that for older players with older references, it must be quite difficult. it must sucks to be you :/

No, it must sucks to be you.



Sorry for further declining teh 'dex with stupid 1-liners.

 

[Devil]

This place has always been like that.

It hasn't. That's the thing.

No Trash, your wrong. This place has always been like this. Year after year, always the same. 2007? Decline. 2008? Decline. 2009? Decline. 2010? Newfags. 2011? Same old, same old. And don't give us that shit that Codex was better bofore 2006, it never was.

 

[Destroid]

Lets not get off topic here, this thread is about the alleged decline of Jeff Vogel, not the codex.

 

[mondblut]

I loved the "u can't judge a game by the demo, u have to buy full version to judge it" part.

What's THE purpose of a demo then, may I ask?

 

[Destroid]

Seemed to me that Vogel believes the demo is a flawed concept but releases them regardless.

 

[felipepepe]

This place has always been like that. Liberal use of the ignore button tends to help those with a thin skin.

It's definitely gotten worse though, seems we have a lot more posters now who enjoy being dicks for it's own sake, rather than enjoying being able to voice their opinion on anything without worrying about being a dick.

True. And Jeff Vogel is right, also.

I may not post much, as I don't have internet at my job, but been reading the Codex for about 5 years. It's seems after Fallout 3 started to take form, releasing sreenshots, people just went berserk, and started just trolling all new games. On 'No Mutants Allowed', was the same thing, with all that "Glittering Gems of Hatred" stuff, and they being proud of that. Fallout 3 was crap, but years have passed and most people are still just hatting everything new that comes in at the forums (but playing them at home).

Most of the posters here can't even find the guts to say (at least openly) they liked Dragon Age: Origins or Fallout New Vegas (both great RPG's), just because they aren't "HARDCORE" or indie. They are afraid of looking like a newfag in front of all the "amazing old-school masters" we have here. You can even find some guys saying "yeah, Baldur's Gate 2 was already decline", with no argument behind, trying to be Codex Hipsters. How lame can you get?

RPG's are not even doing so bad. We had far worse years. And most people here just stay on the PC (master race bla bla bla), talking about about shitty games like Sword and Sorcery - Underworld ("the only best dungeon crawler of 2010" - Etrian Odyssey III and SMT: Strange Journey are from 2010 too), just because is in their confort zone, and ignore that the Nintendo DS has many great RPG's, and MANY Dungeon Crawlers a lot better than the indie ones being released for PC. But people keep "ahn, anime-style art", "ahn, it's on a handheld CONSOLE, it must suck", "ahn, havn't even tried but I'm sure is too easy, just for kids". Yeah, right. It's a shame that even IGN DS reviewers talks about better RPG's than the fucking RPG Codex most of the time.

Grow a spine guys. Talk about good RPG's you like, and why you don't like the bad one, not just keep posting "graphic whore" or "decline" hoping everyone notice how cool and "hardcore/old-school" you are.

 

[SCO]

Where is that Azrael the Cat quote about the games? I want to post it in his blog.

 

[J_C]

This place has always been like that. Liberal use of the ignore button tends to help those with a thin skin.

It's definitely gotten worse though, seems we have a lot more posters now who enjoy being dicks for it's own sake, rather than enjoying being able to voice their opinion on anything without worrying about being a dick.

True.

I may not post much, as I don't have internet at my job, but been reading the Codex for about 5 years. It's seems after Fallout 3 started to take form, releasing sreenshots, people just went berserk, and started just trolling all new games. On No Mutants Allowed, was the same thing, with all that "jewells of hatred" stuff, and they being proud of that. Fallout 3 was crap, but years have passed and most people are still just hatting everything new that comes in.

Most of the posters here can't even find the guts to say (at least openly) they liked Dragon Age: Origins or Fallout New Vegas (both great RPG's), just because they aren't "HARDCORE" or indie. You can even find some guys saying "yeah, Baldur's Gate 2 was already decline", with no argument behind, trying to be Codex Hipsters. How lame can you get?

RPG's are not even doing so bad. We had far worse years. And most people here just stay on the PC (master race bla bla bla), talking about about shitty games like Sword and Sorcery - Underworld ("the only best dungeon crawler of 2010" - Etrian Odyssey III and SMT: Strange Journey are from 2010 too), just because is in their confort zone, and ignore that the Nintendo DS has many great RPG's, and MANY Dungeon Crawlers a lot better than the indie ones being released for PC. But people keep "ahn, anime-style art", "ahn, it's on a handheld CONSOLE, it must suck", "ahn, havn't even tried but I'm sure is too easy, just for kids". Yeah, right. It's a shame that even IGN DS reviewers talks about better RPG's than the fucking RPG Codex most of the time.

Grow a spine guys. Talk about good RPG's you like, and why you don't like the bad one, not just keep posting "graphic whore" or "decline" hoping everyone notice how cool and "hardcore/old-school" you are.

My thoughts exactly. This is why I have to take a break from Codex from time to time. There is limit to how much hatred I can tolerate. I know people say that you don't have to take everything seriously here (or on the internet), but when 90% of the comments about a decent or good game is just hate speach, it gets really tiring.

 

[Karmapowered]

(snip)
Grow a spine guys. Talk about good RPG's you like, and why you don't like the bad one, not just keep posting "graphic whore" or "decline" hoping everyone notice how cool and "hardcore/old-school" you are.

Where is the "Vote for president" button ?



Not be confused with any kind of awsum' button, or something

 

[serch]

So you go and take a shit at the forum that probably gathers the highest percent of people who actually have been buying your games instead of addresing particular criticism that you find unfair. A forum full of people that enjoy abusing others through internet. Vogel have already Biowarian PR madskillz. I can't see how this could end badly :soundofhidraulicdoorclosing:

 

[BLOBERT]

BRO FELIPEPEPPPEPE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD EXPECT A CONSOLETARD TO SAY LOLLOLOLOOL

 

[CorpseZeb]

felipepepe:

DA:O... yes... I fallen asleep while playing DA:O - before – I even discovered this forum... Why this makes me “hardcore”? Only because DA:O is such boring game? I'm not a "hardcore" - because for me - hardcore are guys\gals who knows all stats of all characters in all edition of D'n'D. These, some very fine folks and gals, you can proudly name hardcore.

And – hey – did you even read DA:O review by VD here? He like it.

 

[Carlos' Bitch1]

felipepepe:

DA:O... yes... I fallen asleep while playing DA:O - before – I even discovered this forum... Why this makes me “hardcore”? Only because DA:O is such boring game? I'm not a "hardcore" - because for me - hardcore are guys\gals who knows all stats of all characters in all edition of D'n'D. These, some very fine folks and gals, you can proudly name hardcore.

And – hey – did you even read DA:O review by VoD here? He like it.

Sorry, you cannot get out of it that easily. If you didn't like Dragon Age, you are a liar, a PC elitist and an old 'RPG Master'...all of which are Bad Things.

Shame on you.

 

[CorpseZeb]

Sorry, you cannot get out of it that easily. If you didn't like Dragon Age, you are a liar, a PC elitist and an old 'RPG Master'...all of which are Bad Things.

Shame on you.

I understand, sir. I'm very sorry. I tried very hard to enjoy DA:O. But... I... just... fall... asleep... and...

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

And – hey – did you even read DA:O review by VoD here? He like it.

by VD, not VoD. But VoD liked DAO too.