KickStarter Kingdom Come: Deliverance - Dan Vavra's medieval chad simulator

[Paul_cz]

Of course I didn't enjoy it otherwise, this was just the final straw

That's a shame (and surprising, tbh)

 

[Tacgnol]

which is actually one of the greatest combat systems in any game ever.

It did at least try something different, even if the execution was lacking.

If KCD 2 ever happens, I would be very interested to see how the combat system evolves from the first game.

 

[SlamDunk]

I wonder if we will see Jan Hus as a character in Kingdom Come II...

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

which is actually one of the greatest combat systems in any game ever.

You can act like a retard all you want, but my statement is still 100% true.

The problem is that most gamers like you are conditioned to like shit combat, by the thousand and one games with shit combat that came before. Stuff like Skyrim, where it's just a left click spam, or twitchy crap like From Software games. Roll during this iFrame...

None of this shit is ANYTHING like real combat, which is actually interesting and complex. KCD, on the other hand, with a few slight adjustments via mods, is very much like real combat, deep and tactical and interesting.

 

[Wesp5]

KCD, on the other hand, with a few slight adjustments via mods, is very much like real combat, deep and tactical and interesting.

I regularily fight in LARP against people who learned real HEMA fighting and this just can't be translated into a computer game.

 

[AwesomeButton]

which is actually one of the greatest combat systems in any game ever.

You can act like a retard all you want, but my statement is still 100% true.

The problem is that most gamers like you are conditioned to like shit combat, by the thousand and one games with shit combat that came before. Stuff like Skyrim, where it's just a left click spam, or twitchy crap like From Software games. Roll during this iFrame...

None of this shit is ANYTHING like real combat, which is actually interesting and complex. KCD, on the other hand, with a few slight adjustments via mods, is very much like real combat, deep and tactical and interesting.

KCD's gestures based combat isn't unprecedented. Although the mechanics were much more simple, there was similar melee combat in Thief, in 1998.

 

[SlamDunk]

I think an interlude is in order here.

 

[Alienman]

Why is there a naked dude dancing in the background?

 

[Lyric Suite]

Hardly the best combast system ever made lmao but it's arguably the best first person melee system yet, warts and all. With more developing time might have become really something.

 

[Vlajdermen]

which is actually one of the greatest combat systems in any game ever.

You can act like a retard all you want, but my statement is still 100% true.

The problem is that most gamers like you are conditioned to like shit combat, by the thousand and one games with shit combat that came before. Stuff like Skyrim, where it's just a left click spam, or twitchy crap like From Software games. Roll during this iFrame...

None of this shit is ANYTHING like real combat, which is actually interesting and complex. KCD, on the other hand, with a few slight adjustments via mods, is very much like real combat, deep and tactical and interesting.

KCD's gestures based combat isn't unprecedented. Although the mechanics were much more simple, there was similar melee combat in Thief, in 1998.

Sure, but Porky is still right on why it's good. And if Thief started it, KCD deserves credit for developing it further. God knows it yielded good results.

 

[GhostCow]

Hardly the best combast system ever made lmao but it's arguably the best first person melee system yet, warts and all. With more developing time might have become really something.

What? I thought the melee combat was complete shit. Mount and Blade has way better first person melee.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

None of this shit is ANYTHING like real combat, which is actually interesting and complex.

Except realism isn't the measure of a combat system's quality
Also just about anything IRL is more nuanced than any set of game mechanics - even the simple act of walking is far too complex for any game to simulate

Also

KCD, on the other hand, with a few slight adjustments via mods, is very much like real combat, deep and tactical and interesting.

No

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

KCD, on the other hand, with a few slight adjustments via mods, is very much like real combat, deep and tactical and interesting.

I regularily fight in LARP against people who learned real HEMA fighting and this just can't be translated into a computer game.

Sure it can. Maybe not 100%, but to a degree that creates something in a similar vein.

KCD's gestures based combat isn't unprecedented. Although the mechanics were much more simple, there was similar melee combat in Thief, in 1998.

Hows is Thief combat anything like KCD? I usually played Thief on hardest difficulty where you weren't supposed to use combat (at least against humans), but from what I recall, it was a very simple system.

None of this shit is ANYTHING like real combat, which is actually interesting and complex.

Except realism isn't the measure of a combat system's quality
Also just about anything IRL is more nuanced than any set of game mechanics - even the simple act of walking is far too complex for any game to simulate

It often is. Realism forces complexity and nuance and depth, all good things for game systems.

 

[BruceVC]

I'm 25 hours into KC:D and Im loving it, some general comments

• the open world design reminds me of an Elder Scrolls game. If you see a building or mountain you can go and explore. I like how the quests are designed, some have a timer on acceptance but most you can do when you ready
• The skills advancement system works nicely, I regularly go hunting to increase my agility or train with Captain Bernard to learn combat and increase my combat skills
• I love the numerous activities like hunting, archery competitions and the opportunity to steal items
• The economy is realistic and balanced, you really appreciate finding items on bandits and selling them to increase your wealth
• I have never been so grateful to get a horse during the Ginger quest.
• I really enjoy the entire realistic implementation of a Medieval world, I love fantasy but its nice to see something different
• I am enjoying the Romance arcs, I am courting Theresa and taking things slow. Its not my normal hot Viconia with fishnet stockings and knee-high boots Romance but its worthwhile
• I am getting more proficient in combat and thats always a good thing
• Its as realistic as it can be without being having annoying mechanics, the weight system works when you can use your horse for storage

And I can carry on with whats great about this game but I have covered the main points

I dont have any notable criticisms , one minor thing is how animals dont run away from you constantly even when you shooting arrows at them, they tend to stop so you can kill them. This makes hunting easy and unrealistic but I dont mind this

 

[Netch]

This game's on sale and I can't be bothered to read through this whole thread to see if it's good or not. Can someone tell me if it's worth playing?

 

[BruceVC]

This game's on sale and I can't be bothered to read through this whole thread to see if it's good or not. Can someone tell me if it's worth playing?

Yes, absolutely worth it. Its a medieval themed RPG and has several realistic metrics around survival and a good skills advancement system

But definitely worth it

 

[JDR13]

This game's on sale and I can't be bothered to read through this whole thread to see if it's good or not. Can someone tell me if it's worth playing?

Yes, it's a great medieval simulator. Just be aware that if you're looking for fantasy elements you won't find them here.

 

[Netch]

Thanks fellas, just snagged it and will give it a go.

 

[SlamDunk]

Can someone tell me if it's worth playing?

It's worth playing at full price and then some, which can't be said about the majority of modern games.

 

[Lyric Suite]

This game's on sale and I can't be bothered to read through this whole thread to see if it's good or not. Can someone tell me if it's worth playing?

Yes, it's a great medieval simulator. Just be aware that if you're looking for fantasy elements you won't find them here.

Alchemy almost qualifies though.

 

[Modron]

Gryphon's nest Twitcha easter egg doesn't help either.

 

[The Dopamine Cleric]

Fucking main quest is shorter than shit.

 

[SlamDunk]

Fucking main quest is shorter than shit.

It continues in the sequel.

 

[BruceVC]

I have to say the way they designed alchemy, reading, pickpocketing and lockpicking is overall the best way I have ever seen these mechanics done in any RPG. To go into more detail

• lockpicking: it really is challenging and fun every time, I have broken lots of lockpicks
• reading: it makes sense how you progress and learn skills. I find myself taking 2-3 days on most books
• alchemy: by far the best and most interesting skill to use. I love how each recipe requires different steps to create the necessary potion. Lots of fun
• pickpocketing: a unique system, I have never seen anything quite like it and its creates a real challenge every time you commit this crime

I hope other gaming companies take some tips from how Warhorse creates these activities because they worthwhile

 

[Wesp5]

[*]lockpicking: it really is challenging and fun every time, I have broken lots of lockpicks

What is fun about a mini game like that in a rpg? If real world lock picks would break as easy as those in games, we won't have any burglary at all...