Decline Modders are extremely arrogant and delusional

[cretin]

Devastated. My delusion is shattered, I am only a mere mortal again. Ain't no way in hell I am gonna stop being arrogant though. Feeling superior to cretins really gives my life purpose.

Now excuse me, I have super important modlists to compile.

I don't actually have a problem with modders. Many of them are very talented people and I've enjoyed quite a few mods over the years. But the skyrim modding community is something else entirely. Pick a pejorative at random and it probably fits.

 

[toughasnails]

autistic, future trannies, trannies or autistic trannies

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

LOL. To do what, exactly?

Community manager for example. What's so crazy about it?
Producer maybe, later in life when the entire industry is in shambles compared to even today's "standards".
There's people who don't work directly on games, but are needed in larger studios.
Then eventually he may fail his way up to a game director and we'll get pillars of eternity 3, and half the codex will orgasm about it, while the other half vomits in the corner. That's how we got part 1.

 

[Black]

What's so crazy about it?

Managing an online community.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Modders are extremely arrogant and delusional​

And insane. Absolutely bat-shit insane.

We've known this for years.

G-d bless them for that.

 

[Ash]

autistic, future trannies, trannies or autistic trannies

Precisely. All so quick to judge when many here are probably virgins that haven't left their mother's basement since they discovered windows 95

 

[Fargus]

This is the type of self promoting turd that gets hired actually.

Canberk Kaygan sounds like a nasty turk.

That's funny. I remember a turk with megalomania that shat on entire Half-Life franchise, got away with it and was even hired by Cucktivision Shizzard after that. The brilliant mind behind Hunt Down the Freeman masterpiece: Berkan Denizyaran

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

Devastated. My delusion is shattered, I am only a mere mortal again. Ain't no way in hell I am gonna stop being arrogant though. Feeling superior to cretins really gives my life purpose.

Now excuse me, I have super important modlists to compile.

I don't actually have a problem with modders. Many of them are very talented people and I've enjoyed quite a few mods over the years. But the skyrim modding community is something else entirely. Pick a pejorative at random and it probably fits.

I don't actually have a problem with developers. But the Godot community is something else entirely.

 

[Jonathan "Zee Nekomimi]

autistic, future trannies, trannies or autistic trannies

Precisely. All so quick to judge when many here are probably virgins that haven't left their mother's basement since they discovered windows 95

 

[ds]

You may disagree with his self-assessment of what he does, but the guy comes off as passionate about what he does and he's quite good at expressing himself.

Only if your target measurement is the number of of those subjected to this corporate clown world gibberish language.

LOL. To do what, exactly?

Community manager for example.

Oh right, he'll fit right into that role.

 

[Konjad]

I modded a few games, one of my mods is even the top 28 mod of all time for Bannerlord... am I going to go delusional soon?

Modders are extremely arrogant and delusional​

And insane. Absolutely bat-shit insane.

We've known this for years.

 

[Crispy]

Modders are extremely arrogant and delusional

I don't actually have a problem with modders.

You sure changed your mind quickly.

 

[processdaemon]

For these reasons, I see the Collections feature as the next stage in modding. This may sound exaggerated to some, but I truly think of it as comparable to the invention of the printing press.

From the thread title I was all ready to argue and say modders add a lot of value to some games but I can't defend this

 

[Unkillable Cat]

I don't actually have a problem with modders. Many of them are very talented people and I've enjoyed quite a few mods over the years. But the skyrim modding community is something else entirely. Pick a pejorative at random and it probably fits.

Like 'cretin'?

(Apologies, but you just set yourself up perfectly for that one.)

 

[Hagashager]

Devastated. My delusion is shattered, I am only a mere mortal again. Ain't no way in hell I am gonna stop being arrogant though. Feeling superior to cretins really gives my life purpose.

Now excuse me, I have super important modlists to compile.

I don't actually have a problem with modders. Many of them are very talented people and I've enjoyed quite a few mods over the years. But the skyrim modding community is something else entirely. Pick a pejorative at random and it probably fits.

Skyrim modders are truly something else. It is impressive how anyone gets anything done over there. In spite of the childish behavior, mental illness and sexual frustration they can put out some good stuff.

Good luck keeping it around though. Over half the "community" will take down their mods because they accidentally burned their poptarts that morning.

 

[octavius]

Bought a new comfy gaming chair the other day, but decided the armrests (where I place the mouse) were too tall (or my torso is too short). So I sawed off part of the right armrest to make it more comfy.
Afterwards I felt like a mad modder.

 

[Reggin Backward]

Modders obsession with a game is what makes mods come into reality. Let's not kid ourselves, if not for their ego and persistence, the players would be at the mercy of shady game developers.
Bless them.

Modders obsession with a game also brings pointless drama which ruins the legacy of said games. Let's not kid ourselves, we would be better off with competent, professional game developers giving us what we need.
Curse them.

This is a bit of a conundrum, I'm affraid.

 

[flyingjohn]

Game has x.
Almost all modders will replace x with y and autistically screech they know better.
Random Chads will take x and improve on it while not interacting with anybody.

 

[pickmeister]

specialization in marketing and logistics

Meaning:

A Stocker, or Stock Clerk, is responsible for making sure that consumers have access to the merchandise they are looking for by organizing product displays and storage. Their duties include counting inventory, adding price tags to items and putting products on shelves according to an organized system.

So pretty much the same thing he does with the mods.

 

[PulsatingBrain]

He certainly comes across as a shameless, self-centred, arrogant shithead. But having played Gangs of Glasgow, I can't in good conscience throw those words at modders in general

 

[Akachi]

There's the whole cathedral vs. parlor approach to modding that could be discussed here, but I hardly see a point of doing so in regard of some vainglorious parasite.

Surprised to see someone else use this term. I doubt many are familiar with it, unless it has use in a modding community I'm unaware of or a less obscure origin than where I learned of it from; a write-up from the great TESIII/IV modder Wrye.

He was a talented modder who arguably allowed an entire modding community to exist, as without his modding utility Wrye Bash that allowed merging of certain forms of data between mods for compatibility, major gameplay overhaul mods for Oblivion like Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul wouldn't have been possible to make, and most mods would have been exclusive to each other. (Oscuro, for those unaware, was hired by Obsidian for that mod and IIRC worked on New Vegas as an important level designer. No idea if he still works there or not.)

Wrye famously (infamously to most of the community on the Bethesda forum at the time) quit modding permanently because of how modders were and are batshit when it comes to how they approach their work being used and "permissions", and because it was clear the parlour view favoured by them had won over the cathedral view. Sites like Nexus (called TESSource at the time) were pioneers of trying to ensure the parlour view would be the one and only way forward. As far as I can tell, the parlour view has won out in every modding community I've paid attention to and is generally considered the default assumption of right-thinking people in modding communities, with most being unaware it could be any other way and ideas like Wrye's Open Modding License—which was clearly, like his views on modding, inspired by the GPL and free software approach to development (found in e.g the Linux community)—now distant fantasies.

Automated mod collection programs and parasitic, vainglorious "collection curators" like this one are the inevitable result of people trying to work around insane parlour view rules.

 

[ds]

Interesting that cathedral-style development has the exact opposite meaning assigned here compared to how its understood in the open source community based on Eric S. Raymond essay "The Cathedral and the Bazaar". I wonder if the usage is completely unrelated or if the meaning got flipped somewhere.

The open collaborative development model works great for general software where it is often clear what "better" means but yeah it doesn't work so well for creative endeavors where you really need someone with a concrete vision remaining in control of the direction of the project.

 

[octavius]

So who was/is the maddest modderfucker of them all?
Personally I'd nominate Giskard of Oblivion and other TES games. I don't think he ever understood the idea of mod compatibility, for example. I remember one mod (Kvatch something) in which he deleted some of the NPCs and made new NPCs with new ID numbers and the same name, instead of modifying the vanilla NPCs. This of course meant that any other mod that modified the vanilla NPCs would have no effect, since they were DELETED. This was Giskard's idea of mod compatibility, and he and his group of sycophants would go into a berserk rage if you suggested using WryeBash to merge records instead.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

So who was/is the maddest modderfucker of them all?

Apollodown, was already cuckoo before he got TDS.
https://swiftfoxmark2.blogspot.com/2017/01/skyrim-modder-apollodown-down-and-out.html
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/56082
https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/5hbqfl/apollodowns_retirement_from_modding/
https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/5ic800/apollodowns_mods_all_gone/

From what I've gathered, it seems like what happened, speaking from a relatively neutral standpoint, went as follows:

-Apollo added more races to the Civil War Overhaul mod, as part of something I've heard referred to as "Diversity Day".

-This started an argument over at the Nexus about whether or not this was lore-friendly, along with accusations of racism/being overly politically correct from both sides. Arguments got heated.

-In response partly to this, and partly to the election, Apollo hid his mods, replacing them with this page, stating that they would be back November 9th.

-On November 9th, as he said, the mods came back. Five days later, they were gone again. We have no word from him...pretty much at all. No reasoning given (though it can be assumed it stemmed from the previous arguments), no idea if they'll be put back on the nexus, or on a different site, or put onto a flashdrive and hidden in the middle of the woods. For all we know, he was sitting at his computer, had a heart attack, and his head hit the DELETE ALL MODS button on his keyboard on the way down. He pretty much just vanished.

Arthmoor is a close second

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/nq7piy/maker_of_unofficial_patches_for_elder/

 

[octavius]

Hmm...I knew Arthmoor as a sensible guy and a voice of reason. But that is nigh on 15 years ago now.

Also, lol at Reddit links. As usual half the replies are DELETED.