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Morrowind is utter tripe

Carrion

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NPCs are more like Google Search engine than anything else. That's not exactly what I'd call a conversation, nor makes the game world feel more real. Daggerfall has very similar system to Morrowind, but the conversations feel much better - in my opinion - because despite the similar system in Daggerfall there are questions and answers, while in Morrowind you feel like you're reading an encyclopedia (or wikipedia).
Morrowind has a fairly standard keyword system except that you can click on stuff instead of typing it in manually. Daggerfall's system is arguably a bit better (I wish every game let you pick your tone in dialogue), but it still has most of the same issues people have mentioned regarding Morrowind, like the NPCs' total lack of personality. The game's just so huge that exhausting every NPC's "dialogue tree" doesn't even occur to any sane person, so the system works more like it's intended.
 

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What's with people who registered six years ago, and made a total of 21 posts in that entire time, most of them in the past few days? How did you even remember your email and/or password after so many years?

What is it with people who registered hardly a week or two ago going on like they're an authority on defending utter tripe?
 
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What's with people who registered six years ago, and made a total of 21 posts in that entire time, most of them in the past few days? How did you even remember your email and/or password after so many years?

What is it with people who registered hardly a week or two ago going on like they're an authority on defending utter tripe?

Not only are you wrong about Morrowind, but in comparing it to tripe as if that's a bad thing you are also wrong about tripe which happens to be delicious.
 

Zed Duke of Banville

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too much cringy pseudo-ironic faggotry in the thread about masculine anti-cliffracer struggle
An artist's depiction of Saint Jiub driving the cliff racers from Vvardenfell:

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TemplarGR

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You are right on the money, honko . Morrowind is utter garbage, as is Oblivion. Bethesda only began making quality video games with Fallout 3 and Skyrim. Prior to those, they made utter shite, no wonder they didn't sell that well. Well, Oblivion did sell, mostly because it was reviewed like a masterpiece by magazine shills back then, it was a next gen game just as new consoles were releasing and didn't have many games to play, and it butchered its lore to make everything look like Lord of the Rings to ride on the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy popularity, kind of an unofficial LOTR open world RPG. And it has the quality of a licenced game anyway.
 
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What's with people who registered six years ago, and made a total of 21 posts in that entire time, most of them in the past few days? How did you even remember your email and/or password after so many years?

What is it with people who registered hardly a week or two ago going on like they're an authority on defending utter tripe?
At least you lurked two more years.
 

eli

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Quality thread
yep, i finally understood why i liked morrowind so much, not because of the gameplay or the exploration but because of the plot.
thank god todd had made a continuation of the nerevarine prohecy in a skyrim dlc.
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how do cliff racers land or perch
I think they nest in cliffs. The question is, where are the cliffs? You have to mod those in as well.

I love Morrowind. Not as much as Arx or New Vegas, but for its many flaws had me believing I was a midget, cannibal elf, scaling the hierarchy of House Telvanni not through my own herculean efforts, but because these fucking wizards needed a pawn. I wish the wizards were the focus of the game. Vivec was so bad, I've always hated going there. You see the prerender and concept art for Vivec, that's when they must have realized how much they lost by building on consoles. No wonder you don't get off the boat in Vivec but in a swamp village.
 

Cunt Dickula!?

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Morrowind is indeed utter tripe

The whole idea of it is quantity over quality. You could discard like half of all guild quests and the game wouldnt suffer from it.
90% of the game is just searching quest person and then doing a banal task that takes 5 seconds.

In the beginning you think that its because of the slow walking speed but later on when you have high speed, flying, long jumps and mark/recall you find out that you can now just reach the boring quests faster.
 

ColaWerewolf

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You are right on the money, honko . Morrowind is utter garbage, as is Oblivion. Bethesda only began making quality video games with Fallout 3 and Skyrim. Prior to those, they made utter shite, no wonder they didn't sell that well. Well, Oblivion did sell, mostly because it was reviewed like a masterpiece by magazine shills back then, it was a next gen game just as new consoles were releasing and didn't have many games to play, and it butchered its lore to make everything look like Lord of the Rings to ride on the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy popularity, kind of an unofficial LOTR open world RPG. And it has the quality of a licenced game anyway.
Do me a favor and replay Oblivion. Take it easy, don't rush the main quest, try to get in-character and explore. Get some mods to polish up the graphics. Explore all the great cities, pick a favorite, buy a house there. Maybe get a camping mod then frolic through the West Weald and the Great Forest. I guarantee that you will change your opinion.
 

Vladimuar

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Do me a favor and replay Oblivion. Take it easy, don't rush the main quest, try to get in-character and explore. Get some mods to polish up the graphics. Explore all the great cities, pick a favorite, buy a house there. Maybe get a camping mod then frolic through the West Weald and the Great Forest. I guarantee that you will change your opinion.
Take a turd and sprinkle it with confetti. Maybe spray perfume on it. You will see it's a flagrant diamond.
 

Zlaja

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Morrowind, unique elements and everything, is still your average fantasy story

It starts as an average "you're the chosen one" boring tripe, but ends up as something much more interesting and unique.

Imagine registering here in 2021 to defend utter TRIPE like morrowind

Imagine making a new Morrowind thread in 2021.

My point is that Morrowind's strengths overwhelmingly consist of non-gameplay elements

Exploration is one of the game's biggest strengths, and that counts as gameplay. Exploration is also one of the few elements which BOTH Morrowind and Gothic 1 & 2 excel at.

NPCs are more like Google Search engine than anything else. That's not exactly what I'd call a conversation, nor makes the game world feel more real

And yet, conversations feel way more real then in both Oblivion and Skyrim.
 

ColaWerewolf

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Take a turd and sprinkle it with confetti. Maybe spray perfume on it. You will see it's a flagrant diamond.
Who I was quoting is relevant. TemplarGR likes Skyrim, F4, F3, and I'm merely pointing out that the things which he likes in those games are also present in Oblivion, if he gives it the chance and tries to immerse himself. It's too over-saturated and the npcs look like potatoes, but there's mods for that. Once you get the game looking good, someone who likes Skyrim will likely enjoy Oblivion too.

Obviously this doesn't apply to the majority of Codexers who have maxed out Subterfuge when it comes to Skyrim/F4 played hours.
 

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Take a turd and sprinkle it with confetti. Maybe spray perfume on it. You will see it's a flagrant diamond.
Who I was quoting is relevant. TemplarGR likes Skyrim, F4, F3, and I'm merely pointing out that the things which he likes in those games are also present in Oblivion, if he gives it the chance and tries to immerse himself. It's too over-saturated and the npcs look like potatoes, but there's mods for that. Once you get the game looking good, someone who likes Skyrim will likely enjoy Oblivion too.

Obviously this doesn't apply to the majority of Codexers who have maxed out Subterfuge when it comes to Skyrim/F4 played hours.

Templar is literally a low quality troll. He's just trying to trigger people rather then discuss actual flaws with morrowind.
 

Sigourn

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Exploration is one of the game's biggest strengths, and that counts as gameplay. Exploration is also one of the few elements which BOTH Morrowind and Gothic 1 & 2 excel at.

Is it, though?
There's nothing of interest in Morrowind's dungeon, for the most part. And by "most part", I mean 95% of them. Dungeons are usually boring as fuck; the occasional rare equipment piece doesn't turn a bad dungeon into a good one.
 

Zibniyat

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Each character I encountered had so no artistic soul or creativity into their personality. They were simply empty shells there for text exposition.

Are you a NEET? With how many live H. sapiens specimens have you interacted with during your lifetime? Because I can only assume the answer is - not many. The vast majority of people are exactly like this, that is they seem to be like this, and for some "strange" reason that is fine and works. But not if it's in a game!

Morrowind portrays NPCs brilliantly, they are exactly what one can expect from most people.
 
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Agreed.
 

Sigourn

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Each character I encountered had so no artistic soul or creativity into their personality. They were simply empty shells there for text exposition.

Are you a NEET? With how many live H. sapiens specimens have you interacted with during your lifetime? Because I can only assume the answer is - not many. The vast majority of people are exactly like this, that is they seem to be like this, and for some "strange" reason that is fine and works. But not if it's in a game!

Morrowind portrays NPCs brilliantly, they are exactly what one can expect from most people.

I haven't met many people who introduce themselves as "I am {name}, {occupation}."
Why do Morrowind fanboys have such a hard time admitting the game's dialogue and NPCs are absolute horseshit?
 

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