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New Silent Hill Announced

Hell Swarm

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Lol. No it isn't. Source: I am very familiar with the situation on a personal level. The entire premise of the game is absolutely retarded that only idiots think is deep. Imagine killing your wife, whom you supposedly love (proven by the fact he stays faithful & committed), because you're sexually frustrated and in a crap situation. He had at least four other options (right hand, side piece, divorce, suicide). The guy is a total fucking retard and mental case. Off this premise alone the plot is ludicrous & pathetic without factoring in the next part:
The rest of your post is stupid and you don't even understand Silent Hill 2's story.

No where is it said James killed Mary because he couldn't masturbate or cheat on her. This is the exact layers I'm talking about with the story and why I'm positive you have no experience with this kind of thing. We don't know if James killed Mary out of pity/love or if he killed her out of selfishness. It's left up in the air and it's an important part of the story. We don't know James mental state before he killed Mary and we don't even know if Mary wanted him to do it or not. The letter would have to be written before she died and she may have asked him to for all we know. There is depth to the story unlike Silent hill 1 which is about being a cuck and Silent Hill 3 which is about a cuck dying and another dude's kid wanting revenge for it.

Hitler and militarized Germany gassing kids?
Oh it was a joke post. I see. You had me there for a second! Think of the 6 gorillion Silent Hills!
 

Ash

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I'm positive you have no experience with this kind of thing.

Just shut the fuck up. I have experience with the EXACT same thing. Debilitating chronic pain is tragic beyond measure.


We don't know if James killed Mary out of pity/love or if he killed her out of selfishness.

EITHER WAY is absolutely retarded, morally reprehensible, insane, and completely unrelatable. Duh! Silent Hill 2 fanboyism, the definitive marker of an absolute retard.

Also, given the themes of the game heavily revolve around guilt & sexual degeneracy, it is very heavily implied that indeed was his motive...and also likely with a splash of pity too, but normal people don't just fucking murder people because you pity them, or because they're a bitch to you as they're constantly suffering. The game is so fucking dumb and infantile alongside its retarded comprehension of guilt, and James is just a creepy little weirdo. So you have a lame idiot unrelatable main character that deserves to be in his own personal retarded hell (which is the point, he deserves it, but it's not at all effective, deep, believable, intelligent or relatable), with guilt as a primary plot point for more than one character which...no, you don't understand reality and human nature. Whoever wrote this trash better stick to "cult shit".

So I looked it up. Different writer to the first game. Makes sense.
 
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Hell Swarm

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Just shut the fuck up. I have experience with the EXACT same thing. Debilitating chronic pain is tragic beyond measure.
Sure you do faggot. I'm literally writing first hand experience in my post there. Try using more reddit buzzwords and I'm sure you will convince people you're not an edgy teenager.
Also, given the themes of the game heavily revolve around guilt & sexual degeneracy, it is very heavily implied that indeed was his motive.
It's not heavily implied sexual desire is why he killed his wife. In most the endings is actively rejects the living embodiment of his dead wife being hyper sexual towards him. And his personal tormentor killers her a couple of times implying his guilt wants to kill his sex drive not that he acted on it.
normal people don't just fucking murder people because you pity them, or because they're a bitch to you as they're constantly suffering.
Please try living in the actual real world. Laws are currently being updated and there's public discussion and a rising number of assisted suicides happening each year. Assisted suicide isn't a clear cut murder and Silent hill 2 does nothing to tell us what either party agreed to happen before he killed her. It's quite possible James did exactly what was asked of him and couldn't handle the mental backlash afterwards.
James is just a creepy little weirdo
We don't know what James was like because we barely see him before he has a psychological break and hits deep depression. If you think it's weird a guy losing his wife might have conflicts over seeing a sexy nurse then you're so far beyond the psychology of a straight man you may as well go back to sucking cock rather than discussing this topic any further. Guys look at other women even when in relationships, not all of them cheat but they look. If James won't cheat on his wife it doesn't mean he doesn't have needs and desires. Which in turn manifest in Silent Hill. It's like saying Angela wanted her Dad to fuck her because she sees the fucking monsters there. It brings out the emotional problems, it doesn't pass judgement and if it did then Pyramid head wouldn't suicide at the end when James comes to terms with what happened. Which could easily be argued to be James remembering it was assisted suicide and not killing his wife for no reason.

It's cute you won't even quote posts properly. Probably because you're too retarded to do it and aren't capable of discussing an adult topic such as terminal illness and assisted suicide.
 

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Internet tough guy's only experiences of life are masturbation and 'chronic pain'. I'm not particularly surprised.

You have an absolutely retarded and child-like comprehension of human nature & emotion. Guilt. Isn't. Shit. I wish it were not true, again the world wouldn't be such a fucked up place if that weren't the case, but it is what it is. Guilt is felt by some yes, but not to any meaningful and driving degree that love, anger, despair etc are.
Yeah those other feelings that James also felt and which you could say are the reason any of this started to begin with. And in the end he still wants to be a good person which is why he feels any guilt. Heartless people that fill the world don't care about that? Wow no way.

You're supposed to be complaining about how easy the game is, not that you're too much of a cynical retard to care. Come on, man.
 

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Insert Title Here Strap Yourselves In I helped put crap in Monomyth
This is something many seriously ill people struggle with and it's presented respectfully but also accurately.

Lol. No it isn't. Source: I am very familiar with the situation on a personal level. The entire premise of the game is absolutely retarded that only idiots think is deep. Imagine killing your wife, whom you supposedly love (proven by the fact he stays faithful & committed), because you're sexually frustrated and in a crap situation. He had at least four other options (right hand, side piece, divorce, suicide). The guy is a total fucking retard and mental case. Off this premise alone the plot is ludicrous & pathetic without factoring in the next part:

Guilt isn't an emotion worth a damn. Wake the hell up to the world around you, jesus there's a lot of dumb people here. People are narcissistic by nature. Everyone. Some more than others, but we're all self-serving to an intense degree. Guilt isn't about the self at its core, it's about the other, so it doesn't work like the other emotions, and not as it would in an ideal world to any meaningful degree. Guilt is no emotion worthy of penmanship and a story centerpiece on this level. Only people that don't understand human nature, have never had a relationship in their life (women are on average even more narcissistic) actually think this is a good story. The fact you think otherwise is BEYOND childish. How do you think Ghengis Khan and his army of 100,000 slept at night after murdering raping and pillaging millions of people? How do you think hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians gun each other down every day just because Putin demands it? The Mexican Cartel? Hitler and militarized Germany gassing kids? How do you think the upper echelons of every nation continue to function at the expense & exploitation of the lower half? They all sleep like babies. You have an absolutely retarded and child-like comprehension of human nature & emotion. Guilt. Isn't. Shit. I wish it were not true, again the world wouldn't be such a fucked up place if that weren't the case, but it is what it is. Guilt is felt by some yes, but not to any meaningful and driving degree that love, anger, despair etc are. Because those are about the self first and foremost. People will go to the ends of the earth for love (which is a self-serving emotion), they will suicide from despair. They will risk their freedom as a result of anger. But guilt? It barely motivates us beyond a passing thought here and there.

Silent Hill 2 is by far the number 1 pseudo-intellectual story in video games, pedestalized by retarded dweebs that dont understand the world they live in. For these two reasons, the ones gamercat mentioned, and then some.
congrats this is the dumbest post i've read all year and we're only 4 months into 2024

big internet tough guy doesn't get why people have trouble struggling with certain things that changes a certain element of one's character forever, more at 8
 

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Internet tough guy's only experiences of life are masturbation and 'chronic pain'. I'm not particularly surprised.

You have an absolutely retarded and child-like comprehension of human nature & emotion. Guilt. Isn't. Shit. I wish it were not true, again the world wouldn't be such a fucked up place if that weren't the case, but it is what it is. Guilt is felt by some yes, but not to any meaningful and driving degree that love, anger, despair etc are.
Yeah those other feelings that James also felt and which you could say are the reason any of this started to begin with. And in the end he still wants to be a good person which is why he feels any guilt. Heartless people that fill the world don't care about that? Wow no way.

You're supposed to be complaining about how easy the game is
James should have a carry limit for items, weapons should be divided into sub-classes beyond "gun" and "stick", James should have to put skill points into specialising in certain forms of combat and environmental and social skills, also the game should be presented in a top down isometric perspective.

, not that you're too much of a cynical retard to care. Come on, man.
I don't understand how this becomes a divisive point over SH2 but I've seen this exact discussion play out before. Actually... Hell Swarm do you ever post on /v/? We may have done this before.

Anyway, whether or not an emotionally trying situation is compelling shouldn't really be up for debate. It is or it isn't to you. Attempting to work backwards and create a rational argument for whether or not James and Mary are worth sympathising with is outright deranged. A cargo culting of emotional reactions to media, something Swarm and Ash both seem guilty of now. This is all of course compounded by the fact that apparently at least 2/3 of RPGcodex users are too dumb to follow a line of argument beyond a sentence.

This whole discussion brings to mind this stupid fucking meme.

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This is what happens when you don't actually give a shit about things but feel like you ought to. You work things into a form that you can care about. Systems, because you are autistic. I'm sure the person who made this would say if pressed that it's possible for a character to be interesting but bad or good but uninteresting.

That's one way to be wrong. To make rules for quality divorced from your own reactions and taste. The other way is to create rules to suit your own reactions and taste, which is what's happening in this thread.

A discussion of whether or not Silent Hill 2 in its complete form is particularly interesting or well realised has become a legalistic discussion over whether or not James' actions are morally or rationally compromising and whether or not he is deserving of sympathy. Questions upon which the quality of the work apparently depends now. If I am repeating myself it's because I strongly doubt your ability to follow a thought stated plainly.

This game is not Million Dollar Baby. I'm sure these questions never even occurred to the creators. Why would they? What is their relevance? The work is the same regardless of how you feel about James. I didn't consider him morally compromised or stupid. And from there I did not have a fifty gigawatt emotional reaction which swarm seems to believe is an appropriate response to recognising this, like we're doing physics or something.

 

Hell Swarm

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Yeah those other feelings that James also felt and which you could say are the reason any of this started to begin with. And in the end he still wants to be a good person which is why he feels any guilt. Heartless people that fill the world don't care about that? Wow no way.
Guilt is also a driving factor in a lot of personality shifts. It's going to be funny when Ash stops being an internet tough guy and gets trolls remorse. If he's ever met a born again Christian or a SJW ex-troll he'd see how incredibly driving and powerful guilt can be as an emotion.
big internet tough guy doesn't get why people have trouble struggling with certain things that changes a certain element of one's character forever, more at 8
Who knew ending someone's life can be traumatic for someone, especially someone they have an intimiate bond with. It's almost like this is a serious issue and leads to many people having much more difficult lives after.
 

Ash

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Guilt isn't shit. It counts for something no matter how small, but it is not a powerful motivator. Again, be perceptive to the world around you. SH2 fanboys are dumb. I tried...
 

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And she is like 17 now lol, the mystery look is also completely gone.
Reminder mary was supposed to be his wife and maria looked like her twin...
 

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This female is correct. Also, I wasn't even aware that Maria's outfit was copied from an outfit Christina Aguilera wore in 1998.
 

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The “cosmetic masks” you get for pre-ordering look stupid. Never been fond of goofy alternative costumes.
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