Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

[Haplo]

Haplo I was curious reading your two builds (STR Saint and Vivi trip) about if the Vivi trip build can tank for the group as well as a Sword Saint can? Because so far my main tank is sword saint str with a monk dip obviously and planning him to be just auto attacker who uses spells to self-buff (so no shock, do not use EA). Maybe down the road I should think of dipping him more with 2 pally for saves not sure. People keep mentioning Rogue/Bard too for Uncanny Dodge but as Saint I have improved initiative think no.

So all in all I wasn't sure, if I am not just shutting myself in the leg and if Vivi would tank as well as Saint here. Because I would welcome mutagen and more feats.

No, the Vivi build certainly cannot tank as well as the Sword Saint. Not till late levels, anyway. He's built in a way that does let him facetank end-game (he stacks those OP Monk bonuses with nifty Mutagen and dragon bonuses, eventually gets Uncanny Dodge from Archeologist Bard and Mirror Image). Well, except the dispelling ghosts and mandragora swarms, be wary of those.

Sword Saint can facetank content starting at level 5 or so... (though initially buff durations are a limitation).

 

[Haplo]

Well, sword saint str would certainly benefit of the monk level as I have high charisma (MC - roleplay). Although I wanted to go high Wis (backstory for my MC) and that would also benefit me with will saves. Dex sword saint does not need it that much I would say.

When we are talking about Dex, I wanted to ask, if Dex to dmg (Be it rogue 3lvs or that magus feat slashing) does change 1.5 str modifier on 2h to 1.5 dex modifier or not. If somebody tried it?

Picking Charisma over Wisdom is problematic IMO. I consider a strong Will save to be very important.

Not sure now about 1.5x Dex mod on elven curved blades. Might be that it works. If it does, its certainly only for ECBs, which sucks.

In general one of the biggest, multiplicative damage improvements comes from weapon damage dice. Desiderius mentioned Enlarge. In order to achieve good damage, even Dex builds should be using Legendary Proportions and a weapon with solid damage dice (minimum d8) past mid-game. This is a bit counter-intuitive, as you'd be debuffing your AB with that spell as a Dex build. But the increase in damage dice is still worth it (plus the nifty reach).

 

[razvedchiki]

i can confirm that 1.5 dex to dmg can be done with 3 rogue lvls, it was changed in the enhanced edition if i remember correctly.

 

[Haplo]

Right. So can't use it with Slashing/Fencing Grace - not a good solution for a Dex Sword Saint.

 

[razvedchiki]

i think you can? slashing adds the to hit from dex and the lvls of rogue the dmg.
aldori swordlords who can 1.5 dex to dmg can also use slasing grace.

 

[Haplo]

Slashing / Fencing Grace needs a free offhand AFAIK.

 

[Arddv]

Hi everyone. I'm finishing my first playthrough and think about starting another one with turn based mod for a bit of tactical depth.

And I want to make Amiri into Vital striker / support, something like Reckless stance barbarian / freebooter. So the question is what the build should look like and does it need overhand chop or Sword Saint 4? Maybe something else I missed?

 

[Desiderius]

Straight up Freebooter 10 with Two-handed Combat Style for Cleave Feats and Dreadful/Barb 10 with Reckless Stance, Inspiring Ferocity, and the three Animal Totems (the last gives Pounce) is the most powerful build in the game as long as you’ve got someone to cast Enlarge/Legendary on you.

You give whole team +8 to hit and wreck house with big AoE (use best available Reach or Bane weapon).

 

[Chippy]

Was there a Barbarian power that gave you and extra APR? And has it been included in any mods like COTW?

When this first came out, I think I was building a barbarian, and I think I found that power - but it was with a mod and I don't know which one it was.

I do read the readme for each mod, but they just list the power name, not what it does. So I didn't then cross-reference it with the online SRD dictionary.

 

[Lawntoilet]

Was there a Barbarian power that gave you and extra APR? And has it been included in any mods like COTW?

When this first came out, I think I was building a barbarian, and I think I found that power - but it was with a mod and I don't know which one it was.

I do read the readme for each mod, but they just list the power name, not what it does. So I didn't then cross-reference it with the online SRD dictionary.

The only one I know of is the Totem power that gives you a bite attack but that's in the base game.

 

[Chippy]

Some irritating stuff from my point of view that Owlcat might want to consider for the next game:

I live in a low bandwidth area. I've spent 3 days downloading the game - as you have to download with almost each update.
There are certain mods I can't live without; things that make this a game I'll continue to play over one I'd just play once. The problem is they're not all compatible with Unity manager, or with each version of the game. Things like hotkeys for stealth, or class mods.

While these are mild complaints, this is still the first game in 25+ years of gaming that's completable, but I haven't bothered to finish since its release. The game is awesome. But as my time is limited as I get older, I find my patience for spending 6+ hours getting all my ducks in a row is limited. So I've really shelved this since its release and waited for everyhting to come together a bit more.

Just wanted to provide that feedback - as I think it hurts the rep of the company - and makes people less likely to insta-buy the next game. Still, Owlcat are a long way from becoming as balanced as Obsidian.

 

[LannTheStupid]

I live in a low bandwidth area.

This is probably the root of all your woes, Kingmaker notwithstanding.

 

[NJClaw]

After all the talking about wizards in the main Kingmaker thread, I'm amped-up for a playthrough with a party of arcane casters. These are the only obligatory characters:

- Bard
- Wizard/Rogue/Arcane Trickster
- Wizard/Cleric/Mystic Theurge
- Sword Saint

The other two slots are open and I would love some input on interesting characters to add. Right now, I'm inclined to go for:

- Fighter/Wizard/Eldritch Knight
- Paladin/Sorcerer/Eldritch Knight

But, even if they have different strengths, they play very similarly for the most part. I was also thinking about a pure Sylvan Sorcerer, but maybe there's some possible combination I'm forgetting.

 

[Sarkile]

Has anyone done anything interesting with Jaethal? I wonder if her ability to derive HP from CHA could be better utilized somehow, maybe going Sorcerer or Cleric?

 

[LannTheStupid]

Has anyone done anything interesting with Jaethal? I wonder if her ability to derive HP from CHA could be better utilized somehow, maybe going Sorcerer or Cleric?

InEffect makes her 3 Inquisitor / 17 Herald Caller of Urgathoa. I am playing this build right now (albeit not on Unfair), and she is very useful.

 

[razvedchiki]

give her the elven curved blade of slaying and she will SLAY.

 

[Yosharian]

I'M amped up for a party where I have no buffing to do whatsoever

 

[Sarkile]

Has anyone done anything interesting with Jaethal? I wonder if her ability to derive HP from CHA could be better utilized somehow, maybe going Sorcerer or Cleric?

InEffect makes her 3 Inquisitor / 17 Herald Caller of Urgathoa. I am playing this build right now (albeit not on Unfair), and she is very useful.

Is she able to take Kineticist? Does Charisma replace Con then?

 

[LannTheStupid]

Is she able to take Kineticist? Does Charisma replace Con then?

No idea. May be psychokineticist, though? Through Wisdom? She might be immune to some of the effects that attack will saves.

 

[Pink Eye]

I just lost a 50 hour iron man run because I fucking messed up big time. I am angry, very angry. Now I have to stay up for days to get up to where I was... I hate myself.... But it's okay, I don't need sleep.. I am going to try again... NJClaw Does Eldritch Knight progress Sorcerer Bloodline? I feel like trying Sorcerer(Abyssal Bloodline)/Eldritch Knight.

 

[Daidre]

Does Eldritch Knight progress Sorcerer Bloodline? I feel like trying Sorcerer(Abyssal Bloodline)/Eldritch Knight.

Eldritch Knight does not progress Sorcerer bloodline. Only way to progress Bloodline with Prestige Class is Dragon Bloodline > Dragon Disciple.

 

[Pink Eye]

>Eldritch Knight does not progress Sorcerer bloodline.
That fucking sucks. Well bros. Losing that iron man run hurts a lot. I'm just staring at the character creation screen and am hopeless.... Right when I finished chapter 3. Fuck! I can't believe it! All of that progress ruined because of one stupid random encounter. Help me Smilodon! What is a good class for chaotic neutral characters? I am trying to achieve the iron man and secret ending steam achievements.

 

[mediocrepoet]

>Eldritch Knight does not progress Sorcerer bloodline.
That fucking sucks. Well bros. Losing that iron man run hurts a lot. I'm just staring at the character creation screen and am hopeless.... Right when I finished chapter 3. Fuck! I can't believe it! All of that progress ruined because of one stupid random encounter. Help me Smilodon! What is a good class for chaotic neutral characters? I am trying to achieve the iron man and secret ending steam achievements.

Set it to story mode ironman.

 

[Pink Eye]

>Set it to story mode
I can't bros. This son of a bitch of an achievement has been taunting me for THREE fucking years!

Spoiler

 

[amurath]

>Set it to story mode
I can't bros. This son of a bitch of an achievement has been taunting me for THREE fucking years!

Spoiler

I'm curious, if you ALT+F4 or close the game's process in Task Manager, does it still delete your save? You might have to resort to something along those lines in order to get the achievement in a "fair" way.