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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

cpmartins

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Just started playing this after Solasta and holy shit, the amount of builds you can do is just insane. I think I've spent more time creating my party with mercs than I did actually playing Solasta. One question, I'm in Chapter 2 and I know where
the troll fortress
is. If I go there and kill them will Chapter 3 start immediately? Cause I'm thinking about leaving them up to do some exploring and kingdom management.

The game’s designed around companions so you miss out on a lot of content with mercs including quests that give a lot of exp and some of the best equipment.
Yeah, I'm running 1 MC, 1 Merc and 4 NPCs. I just like messing with the character creation.
 

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Hello again. Sorry for bothering you with so many questions but Ive realized the importance of having a proper controller in the party and I wondered if a melee sorceror main character would work. No dips obviously, and the Abysall Bloodline looks like made for that role but I'm not sure about feats in particular burning a feat to take Martial Weapons or just stick with sorceror proficiencies until I get Transformation which could do the trick.

This is all because I want to build my core party around Jubilost, Linzi, Tristian and Amiri (Freebooter/Barb) at least and probably Valerie Feyspeaker as well. So, I thought, another melee character could benefit from this party.

Also the bab progression would be horrendous but I would use him as a caster and for touch attacks(melee and ranged if possible both) mainly while giving Outflank to other melees.

Also, considering the Grow Claws ability in conjuction with Magic Fang and Greater Magic Fang (Valerie) could be a good combo I guesS?
Anything can 'work' but I would recommend focusing in on either offensive casting or melee damage, not both.

Abyssal is basically +3 to-hit +3 damage. It's a bit of a trap IMO, not as impactful as it sounds.
 

zapotec

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If i remember well you can still do their quest even if you don't use them, just remember to talk ito them

The main problem of delaying chapter 2 quest is that you can lose the best treasurer at this point of the game (Delgado)
 

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There are locations/quests that require certain companions to be along, some good equipment that is companion specific, some companions get stat/skill boosts from quests, and they start out with higher point buys than mercs.

I usually delay so I can do his quest. So if you don’t delay he never gets attacked so can just be recruited after finishing Chapter?

What makes him the best Treasurer? Jewb is fine but better on Espionage then you can just slide in Maegar.
 

zapotec

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He has the best starting INT for the economic role, later on he can be easily replaced by the gnome or the tiefling.
 

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I've been agonizing over whether or not to do yet another respec. I ended up having to write out my options to come to a conclusion. I figured someone here might take inspiration from these builds so I'm sharing the info here.

Dex build – Lematte (Sacred huntsmaster) , luck domain - My current build

STR – 7

DEX – 19 + 3


CON – 15 + 1

INT – 7

WIS – 18

CHA – 7

Doesn’t need imaginary 5th point to have awesome stats. Put it anywhere.

1. Weapon finesse + Spell penetration

3. Weapon focus (Rapier)

5. Fencing grace (Rapier)

7. Piranha strike

9. Greater spell penetration

11. Combat reflexes

13. Improved critical

15. Critical focus

Pros:

- More CON than alternative

- WIS based casting so awesome will saves

- Higher WIS than the other build has CHA because WIS isn’t a dump stat to me, but CHA always is unless needed for something

- Has all the rogue skills even with dumped INT (mobility, trickery, stealth and perception)

- Higher caster level + still gets greater spell penetration

- Gets improved critical and critical focus (other build doesn’t get high enough BAB)

- Cooler roleplaying. You get dialogue based on worshipping Calistria and it’s cool.

- A pet leopard

- Favoured enemy gnomes

- His awesome zorro costume actually has meaning and the yellow and black matches his rapier hilt and sort of matches his leopard.

- Using a rapier is badass when it’s the chosen weapon of the goddess of lust and vengeance, rather than just a rogue weapon.

- Teamwork feats for free for Baron Lematte and the royal leopard without having to get my team to take them

- Higher BAB than alternative

- Actually useful first and 6th level domain powers.

- Chosen by a goddess because of how lusty and vengeful he is. Perfect class for roleplaying my favourite PC Lematte as it’s required to play chaotic.

- Is the coolest character I have ever played and the most fun I’ve had with this game. Being weak in melee starting out has made me a smarter, more tactical player. Why am I thinking of respeccing him? I should be ashamed of myself. If he knew he’d be like “May I see your entrails, please?”

Cons

- Getting to 5 God awful

- No sneak attack. Feels like this class should have that.

- Spell list isn’t as cool as sorcerer one.

- Ends up having fewer spells per day than multiclass

- He never really gets that strong in melee compared to what I’ll be doing with Jaethal and I’m jealous because she’s the same class.

- Feel like going STR based would be wrong for his weedy, foppish character. No way this dude works out.

Dex build – (Fighter 1/Rogue 1/Sorcerer 4/ Arcane trickster 10

STR – 7

DEX – 18 + 4

CON – 12

INT – 14

WIS – 9 + Imaginary 1 point you don’t get because game is over

CHA – 16

1. Rogue – Weapon finesse + Spell penetration + greater spell penetration

2. Fighter – Weapon focus rapier

3. Sorceror – Fencing grace rapier + bonus feat Spell focus enchantment

5. Sorceror – Accomplished sneak attacker

7. Arcane trickster – Greater spell focus enchantment

9. Spell focus conjuration

11. Augmented summoning

13. Piranha strike

15. Superior summoning

OR

9. Combat reflexes

11. Combat expertise

13. Trip

15. Greater trip

Pros

- 4 ranks of sneak attack + accomplished sneak attacker

- Ranged legerdemain

- Less painful to level (Fencing grace at 3)

Cons

- Zero roleplaying potential. Not a character but a multiclassed abomination.

- Could use a mod to put him in the Zorro costume but I’d know I was cheating, and it wouldn’t make me happy.

- Painful levelling doesn’t matter because I’m almost at 5 anyway and it was actually pretty fun figuring out how to fight when you can’t do melee or ranged damage and are out of spells. Learned to love consumables, teamwork feats and leopard.

Conclusion: “The road calls… I’ll take the bait!” Yeah, no respec. I’m glad I talked myself out of doing it again.

Lematte the character

An insane, lusty, vengeful coward. A dandy so foppish even wearing a leather coat makes him tired. A maniacal, unpredictable fool whose only qualification for being an adventurer is he has a pet leopard and Calistria liked his lunacy enough to make him a warlock (probably to spite another goddess). He calls himself a "Sacred Huntsmaster" and insists on people using his full title, but this is probably just something he made up. He doesn't even hunt. He dresses like Zorro since Calistria chose him and fights with a rapier he has no idea how to use yet... he's getting there though.

He has a vague air of elitism in his appearance and demeanor. Being a baron will suit him. Is he actually upper class? Nobody knows where he came from prior to meeting his servants... err fellow adventurers. It's unclear if even he knows his origins. His motivations are inscrutable. He seems to have no motivation beyond reveling in chaos and bloodshed, yet shies away from calculating cruelty and anything too overtly mean-spirited... unless it's funnier that way.

He's a lively sort, always shouting jubilantly and taunting his foes, asking "May I see your entrails, please?" He only really gets serious where revenge is concerned. It's sacred to him. He was recently betrayed by a Gnomish comrade and killed him in revenge... but Tartucchio's death has not sated his lust for holy vengeance. Hence he has resolved to take a favored enemy of the entire Gnomish people and is fervently praying to Calistria for aid in this venture. It seems likely the goddess will answer the prayers of her chosen and grant him the favored enemy Gnomes bonus feat at level 5.

Also, he can't refuse sex with anyone or anything. There are even unconfirmed rumors of him even fucking his pet leopard... it doesn't sound unlike him. Nothing really sounds unlike him. Is this the influence of his goddess? Or maybe just symptomatic of the chaotic character that Calistria to him? Either seems likely. He's the kind of guy who no matter what chaotic thing he does (Be it good, evil or neither) you can honestly say "that sounds like Lematte."

The motherfucking man himself:

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The idea that you can't roleplay a multiclassed character is just retarded.

It's also pretty hilarious that you blather on about MUH ROLEPLAYING but you have 7 STR, INT and CHA. According to the rulebook, this is how you should ROLEPLAY (lmao) your character:
  • Less strength than a badger, has trouble even lifting heavy objects.
  • Dull-witted or slow, often misuses and mispronounces words. Same intelligence as a troll.
  • Uninteresting, rude, boorish, and generally unpleasant to be around. Same charisma as a fire beetle.
Tell me more about how your character is well-suited to be a Baron and is just surrounded by people who want to have sex with him. What a joke.

If you brought this character to my table I would make your life miserable. I love illuminating min-maxers who act like their 7 Charisma will have no effect on how people treat them. It's almost always a pikachu-face with a distraught 'What do you mean nobody wants to talk to me?!'
 

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Favored Enemy: Gnomes, yet most gnomes could wrestle you to the ground and pin you

LMAO

This seems better than "why does no one want to talk to me?" above. Just have a gnome pugilist physically beat his ass with bare fists. Or win at arm wrestling, etc.

Or maybe, "I can't lift my gear anymore because I got wet and my clothes are too heavy!"
 

Bloodeyes

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The idea that you can't roleplay a multiclassed character is just retarded.

It's also pretty hilarious that you blather on about MUH ROLEPLAYING but you have 7 STR, INT and CHA. According to the rulebook, this is how you should ROLEPLAY (lmao) your character:
  • Less strength than a badger, has trouble even lifting heavy objects.
  • Dull-witted or slow, often misuses and mispronounces words. Same intelligence as a troll.
  • Uninteresting, rude, boorish, and generally unpleasant to be around. Same charisma as a fire beetle.
Tell me more about how your character is well-suited to be a Baron and is just surrounded by people who want to have sex with him. What a joke.

If you brought this character to my table I would make your life miserable. I love illuminating min-maxers who act like their 7 Charisma will have no effect on how people treat them. It's almost always a pikachu-face with a distraught 'What do you mean nobody wants to talk to me?!'
Bro what is your problem? I don't think I'd bring any character to your table, you seem like a real dick.
 

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The idea that you can't roleplay a multiclassed character is just retarded.

It's also pretty hilarious that you blather on about MUH ROLEPLAYING but you have 7 STR, INT and CHA. According to the rulebook, this is how you should ROLEPLAY (lmao) your character:
  • Less strength than a badger, has trouble even lifting heavy objects.
  • Dull-witted or slow, often misuses and mispronounces words. Same intelligence as a troll.
  • Uninteresting, rude, boorish, and generally unpleasant to be around. Same charisma as a fire beetle.
Tell me more about how your character is well-suited to be a Baron and is just surrounded by people who want to have sex with him. What a joke.

If you brought this character to my table I would make your life miserable. I love illuminating min-maxers who act like their 7 Charisma will have no effect on how people treat them. It's almost always a pikachu-face with a distraught 'What do you mean nobody wants to talk to me?!'
Bro what is your problem? I don't think I'd bring any character to your table, you seem like a real dick.
Hmm, so its not just your character that is dull-witted and slow
 

Bloodeyes

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The idea that you can't roleplay a multiclassed character is just retarded.

It's also pretty hilarious that you blather on about MUH ROLEPLAYING but you have 7 STR, INT and CHA. According to the rulebook, this is how you should ROLEPLAY (lmao) your character:
  • Less strength than a badger, has trouble even lifting heavy objects.
  • Dull-witted or slow, often misuses and mispronounces words. Same intelligence as a troll.
  • Uninteresting, rude, boorish, and generally unpleasant to be around. Same charisma as a fire beetle.
Tell me more about how your character is well-suited to be a Baron and is just surrounded by people who want to have sex with him. What a joke.

If you brought this character to my table I would make your life miserable. I love illuminating min-maxers who act like their 7 Charisma will have no effect on how people treat them. It's almost always a pikachu-face with a distraught 'What do you mean nobody wants to talk to me?!'
Bro what is your problem? I don't think I'd bring any character to your table, you seem like a real dick.
Hmm, so its not just your character that is dull-witted and slow
Lack of self awareness here from an IRL 7 int 7 cha. You seem to have a problem with minmaxing. Tell that to whoever set the enemy AC's in kingmaker so that you can't hit shit without either being minmaxed or walking around with buffs on your buffs. Both work but I like minmaxing because you get to use your casters as more than just buffbots (though Buffo the halfling buffbot caster is something I plan to make one day). I think the fun part about CRPGs is I can make whatever character I want and define the meanings of my stats in any reasonably way I so choose, without having to sit at your table and be subjected to some grandiose incel's deep seated issues.
 

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A 7 STR, 7 INT, 7 CHA bully once beat me up as a kid and now I have deep seated issues with anyone that is physically and mentally inferior to the common population.
 

Bloodeyes

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Also, as far as roleplaying rules go they're not meant to be ironclad. What a 7 INT means is up to your GM. In this game we have companions rocking 8's in their stats. An 8 is not too far above a 7. Presumably it's a standard deviation above. So Harrim, by your extreme standards shouldn't be able to walk in his armor or some crap. But in the game his 8 DEX reflects just being too clumsy to be a smith. Octavia has an 8 in CON. She should pass out when someone pats her on the shoulder! But no, she's just got that stat because she's a normal woman, not a hardy barbarian like Amiri with her 16. Amiri is about as strong as a woman gets, so more than twice as strong as a weak man like Lematte (realistic), but Regongar as a decently strong man is still a tiny bit stronger (what does he have like a 19? I forget). This gender effect is more pronounced with Valerie, and athletic, physically active woman with a 14 in STR who is about as strong as Harrim who is a recovering alcoholic preacher. A 7 in this context is like a bit less than an average woman, not like toddler STR.

So relative to other characters Lematte is a fool, his insanity is unpleasant, his chaotic behaviour is offputting and he doesn't really pull his weight in fights usually... but he has strengths that compensate - He has a pet leopard. The leopard fights for him. He and the leopard have the teamwork feat precise strike. Leopard goes fist and engages the guy then Lematte runs in (he uses expeditious retreat most fights) and stabs it while it's distracted dealing 1d6 precision damage + 1d4 base damage. Not great, but that will improve dramatically when he takes fencing grace at 5. The real payoff is that his stab has taken the enemy's eyes off the leopard meaning it also deals bonus damage on its next turn.

He's also good at throwing things. Really good. His high dex and alchemist fire made short work of the spider swarms in fangberry cave. He has something like 60 spare alchemist's fire in his chest at the trading post. He damages undead by pouring health potions on them. Uses wands and when all else fails his spontaneously cast expeditious retreat lets him stay out of range and take potshots with his minicrossbow. He's actually pretty good at mind affecting magic though, so for things that's effective against it's like having another Linzi in the party. All this changes next level when he can deal damage with his rapier.

As for why the party keep him around, he's a very wise ruler with 18 WIS. He may make people uncomfortable with his antics but he actually seems to lead them to the right places and they tend to succeed at what they set out to do. He's very perceptive, both literally and metaphorically, is skilled at picking locks, disarming traps and sneaking and he is surprisingly agile for such a weakling. If Amiri is a female bodybuilder with 16 STR then Lematte is a male ballet dancer with his 20 dex. Or maybe it's the mind affecting magic? Who knows with Lematte?
 
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NJClaw

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Lematte is a fool, his insanity is unpleasant, his chaotic behaviour is offputting and he doesn't really pull his weight in fights
He has a pet leopard
Uses wands
take potshots with his minicrossbow
He's actually pretty good at mind affecting magic though
he can deal damage with his rapier.
He may make people uncomfortable with his antics
is skilled at picking locks, disarming traps and sneaking and he is surprisingly agile for such a weakling
Lematte is a male ballet dancer
Dude, ok, we get it: your character is a homosexual. Stop bragging.
 

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Anyone that thinks I have a problem with min-maxing doesn't know very much about me LOL

My standards aren't extreme btw I'm just literally posting what it says in the Pathfinder ruleset about ability scores, you want to invent your own interpretations that's fine

Just shut the fuck up about roleplaying already
 

Bloodeyes

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Anyone that thinks I have a problem with min-maxing doesn't know very much about me LOL
All I know about you is that you're one of thousands of codexers and I've never talked to you before. Do you fancy yourself a local celebrity? Forgive me for assuming you dislike minmaxing when my first interaction with you is you chastising me for having dump stats. Strangers don't know you and judge you by how you present yourself. It's ok, I understand. 7 CHA isn't easy and you had to take a dump somewhere. Just please refrain from dumping all over my precious OC. I put a lot of work into revising Lematte and I'm rather proud of the result.
 

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The idea that you can't roleplay a multiclassed character is just retarded.

It's also pretty hilarious that you blather on about MUH ROLEPLAYING but you have 7 STR, INT and CHA. According to the rulebook, this is how you should ROLEPLAY (lmao) your character:
  • Less strength than a badger, has trouble even lifting heavy objects.
  • Dull-witted or slow, often misuses and mispronounces words. Same intelligence as a troll.
  • Uninteresting, rude, boorish, and generally unpleasant to be around. Same charisma as a fire beetle.
Tell me more about how your character is well-suited to be a Baron and is just surrounded by people who want to have sex with him. What a joke.

If you brought this character to my table I would make your life miserable. I love illuminating min-maxers who act like their 7 Charisma will have no effect on how people treat them. It's almost always a pikachu-face with a distraught 'What do you mean nobody wants to talk to me?!'
Bro what is your problem? I don't think I'd bring any character to your table, you seem like a real dick.
Hmm, so its not just your character that is dull-witted and slow
Lack of self awareness here from an IRL 7 int 7 cha. You seem to have a problem with minmaxing. Tell that to whoever set the enemy AC's in kingmaker so that you can't hit shit without either being minmaxed or walking around with buffs on your buffs. Both work but I like minmaxing because you get to use your casters as more than just buffbots (though Buffo the halfling buffbot caster is something I plan to make one day). I think the fun part about CRPGs is I can make whatever character I want and define the meanings of my stats in any reasonably way I so choose, without having to sit at your table and be subjected to some grandiose incel's deep seated issues.

People who try to max PF builds by stat dumping end up unwittingly minning their performance.

The game isn’t in fact that hard, you’re just not very good at it yet.
 

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People who try to max PF builds by stat dumping end up unwittingly minning their performance.
You seem to know the game pretty well so I have to defer to experience here. But serious question, what is my minmaxing costing me with this build (that I care about)? 15 con for +2 raising to +3 at level 8 is totally fine by me. STR gives more damage output than DEX but I don't want STR. It wouldn't feel right on this character now. I've built him a lot of times and he's a lunatic DEX fighter with the voice of an anime antagonist. To play him any other way would be as incongruous to me as playing Amiri as an alchemist or something. He's as much a character to me now as any of the NPCs. Just as I wouldn't level DEX on Harrim or make Valerie a bard (I just use her CHA for Dazzling display, planning to go into curnodan smash + shatter defenses with her), I wouldn't play Lematte as a STR monster. Or smart.

But what do I lose?
- Well if he were STR based I'd get a couple extra feats. Losing feats really, really sucks. This is the only drawback I actually care about with minmaxed DEX builds. Because feats can be used to make your character do something else interesting. To flesh them out as a character.
- He'd do more damage too because power attack is just better than piranha strike. 4 more damage by level 16 if I'm right about that. I can live with it.
- He'd need to rely on buffs for AC or eat a movement penalty and armor check penalty to his skills if I didn't have super high DEX too, and his mind affecting wouldn't hit near enough.
- Having 3 dumps lets me get high in the 2 stats that are most important to me for attack bonus (He is .75 progression BAB after all, it's nice to be able to mitigate that a bit).
- With this class I can dump int and still get the skills I want to play my build. Other skills are covered by party members. Because he's WIS based with an 18 I get good will saves.
- I'm much more vulnerable to death by ability damage with this build. I'm aware of that and it sucks but everything has its drawbacks. Choices and consequences.

I love and hate the progression of DEX. You feel like you earn being strong by the time you are. Early levels are rough but that's part of the fun. I just wish the late game payoff was more. Mages are trash at low level (cue someone disagreeing I'm sure) but they get to be amazing in the mid game. Dex clerics only end up adequate, at least when I make them. It doesn't seem fair.

There should be a midgame payoff to combat efficacy for the pain of early game DEX that is something beyond your build just working as starting STR build would. There isn't. There's a penalty. And everything you add to DEX takes a feat, even combat maneuvers which sound like they should be DEX to begin with. You have to view DEX builds differently though. You don't get as good damage as STR so if you go DEX for that damage you're an idiot. You need a good reason to go dex and that is movement speed and no armor check penalty. If you need those things to do non combat stuff or cast better (or at all) DEX is worth it. It's for builds that do more than just damage shit with weapons. Too bad it's so feat hungry so it limits how much other shit they can do.

But more to the point, at last for me, is having strong strengths and weak weaknesses makes Lematte play and feel like he has personality. He's not close to the strongest character I have made. But he's a character, not just a build. I'm honestly not trying to diss unfair players who need to optimize above all else but that's not how I do things. I don't have a problem with people enjoying the game different ways but it's about achieving a character concept for me and having that concept be as effective as it can be at doing what I want it to do, not just maximizing overall efficacy. I'd be bored shitless playing a straightforward character as anything other than a follower.

The concept starts with a portrait, gets a voice and then I ask myself "Who is this guy? What do I want him to do? Is that an interesting character I will enjoy? Would this make me laugh or feel like a badass when I play it? Ok then, how to I optimize him within that context without compromising his character and making him something else?" I understand that isn't a viable method on unfair (I've never played it actually) but I play on custom diff, not unfair. Challenging but doesn't require absolute optimization for success. Different strokes for different folks. The challenge for me is creating interesting characters and that's how I enjoy the game.

Some other ideas I'll be trying sometime:
- STR monster Gorum sacred huntsmaster with a greatsword and a wolf or smilodon just to see the class played in a stronger version. Probably a motherless teifling if I don't need the feats from human (with STR I probably wouldn't). Probably too straightforward for me so maybe a follower TBH.

- Buffo the halfling cleric ecclesitheirge. Tristian, basically. But a halfling called Buffo. Even more minmaxed than Tristian if I can pull it off. I'm sure I could. Thematically fits with Erastil, animal + community build so I'd get to try that and see if it's as uber as people say. Baron Buffo would be a bit of a buffoon due to his dumped INT. I don't know if a dumped INT cleric gets 1 skill point per level or 2. If 1 lore nature. If 2, lore nature + lore religion.

- Grumpy Scottish tower shield specialist. Chaotic evil. Duncan. Have a portrait and a voice for this one. Would be nice to not have Valerie in for a change. My playstyle needs a tank but I'd like to try having a different party composition.

- Much stronger rapier fighter/roguelite dex fighter build by just going fighter and taking rogue skills and use magic device. Use a cheat to put him in a rogue costume probably. Could actually get active skills like dirty trick and critical status effects going thanks to BAB progression and double the feats. This one's a Lematte. There are only a so many voices so I have to reuse characters in different roles that suit them. Like a director casting actors.

- Drogo the halfling barbarian. Already made him as a follower in my current campaign and he kind of rocks but he's just running my Amiri cleave build. His damage is lacking thus far but he tends to hit things. Interested to try an invulnerable rager to see how it stack up to standard barb. Seems worse but I'd need to try it. Has a great portrait and voice that make him seem like a character worthy of maining. He runs a falchion bites people. I want him to end up tripping people and attacks of opportunity as they fall and stand back up. Also go all in on biting with gear that supports it. Ideally have improved critical too. Haven't planned the build to see if that would work. May need to lose the crits and just use a different weapon. The idea of a vicious halfling who trips and bites is just too funny to me. He'd need to be effective for me to like him though.

- Another attempt at a DEX cleric. A crusader this time, using the bonus feats for martial weapons proficiency and weapon focus/specialization. May work better than previous attempts due to the extra feat this gives + a bit better AB and damage but I don't know. Could also take heavy armor proficiency so he could end up in mithril with an estoc but I'm not sure if I like that.

- Figuring out WTF an Elven Curve Blade is for. Why is it finessable?

But for now I'll stick with Lematte and his pet leopard.

The game isn’t in fact that hard, you’re just not very good at it yet.
You're right about this. I'm not. Honestly I'm used to most RPGs being pretty darn easy, even on max diff. But playing this character is levelling up my tactics game in a big way. Not being able to just stack buffs and bash everything to death forces me to think outside the box and use all the mechanics in a way I've never needed to before.

Edit: Man I was talking some shit here about this build being weak but interesting. I just hit level 5 and got fencing grace, bane weapon and favored enemy. Turns out this build is pretty awesome at damaging things and doesn't really miss much ever, even unbuffed. I didn't take favoured enemy gnomes, I took fey. As funny as that would have been I didn't want to gimp my character for a joke. His backstory is mysterious enough that there could easily be a reason for him hating fey. I'm fine with it. Man that was a satisfying level up!
 
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