Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

[Efe]

you could be using tactician abilities from archetypes?

 

[Bloodeyes]

You probably Tripped the Tree.

Nah. It was Lemattes turn, not the tree's. He attacked and everything just went nuts. All the skeletons, the leopard and the frontliners all attacked and the tree died. It was glorious. I read over the log to check what had happened because I couldn't understand it. I tried to do the same thing to Crag Linnorn and nearly died doing it (much better to just let Jubilost and a cleric kill that one and leave melee fighters completely out of it except the final blow).

If it was an attack of opportunity from standing up that would make sense. This was on a previous run, as a Sacred Hunstmaster. I don't think the class should make a difference except that the leopard had his teamwork feats too. Everyone did but the skeletons are summons so shouldn't have been effected.

I spent the 10k to respec without combat reflexes. Shuffled some things around and took weapon specialization instead. It's not a very exciting feat but +2 damage is still more damage.

 

[Haplo]

So is combat reflexes a useless feat? I've been putting it in all my melee builds and I noticed today after more than 1000 hours in the game that it isn't actually functioning like I thought it did. So I reread the description "You may make a number of additional attacks of opportunity per round equal to your Dexterity bonus. With this feat, you may also make attacks of opportunity while flat-footed." "May." Mother fuckers. I swear these rules were written by Jew lawyers. So you don't actually get extra attacks of opportunity. It just lets if do that if, theoretically 5 guys ran past you or you tripped and feared someone at the same time and they got up and ran away. As in shit that basically never happens so it's the single worst feat in the game. Right?

Yep. Multiple AoOs in a round never happen. Definately useless.

 

[Desiderius]

You probably Tripped the Tree.

Nah. It was Lemattes turn, not the tree's. He attacked and everything just went nuts. All the skeletons, the leopard and the frontliners all attacked and the tree died. It was glorious. I read over the log to check what had happened because I couldn't understand it. I tried to do the same thing to Crag Linnorn and nearly died doing it (much better to just let Jubilost and a cleric kill that one and leave melee fighters completely out of it except the final blow).

If it was an attack of opportunity from standing up that would make sense. This was on a previous run, as a Sacred Hunstmaster. I don't think the class should make a difference except that the leopard had his teamwork feats too. Everyone did but the skeletons are summons so shouldn't have been effected.

I spent the 10k to respec without combat reflexes. Shuffled some things around and took weapon specialization instead. It's not a very exciting feat but +2 damage is still more damage.

Sounds like Tree tried to cast a spell/use a spell-like ability. Why would you take Specialization?

 

[skaraher]

Anyone got good tips for an Archaeologist bard build ?

 

[Nerevar]

This new mutation fighter seems cool.

 

[TT1]

Do we have a good WOTR melee build?

 

[Blutwurstritter]

Has someone tried the boots of stampede ? It says it adds the athletics skill value to charge attack damage throws, but for me it does add only 0-1 damage despite my character having 30+ athletics.

 

[Rusty Eyes]

Desiderius How would you go about a Hellknight Signifier?

 

[kalash19]

Hi guys, i'm new to this franchise. I'm trying to create a Dex estoc dps build but i heard Dex to damage is a noob trap and bad when comparing to strength to damage. My build can only reach 12-25 damage with estoc +5, is this acceptable?

 

[Stoned Ape]

Hi guys, i'm new to this franchise. I'm trying to create a Dex estoc dps build but i heard Dex to damage is a noob trap and bad when comparing to strength to damage. My build can only reach 12-25 damage with estoc +5, is this acceptable?

What is your build and what role do you want it to have?

 

[kalash19]

Hi guys, i'm new to this franchise. I'm trying to create a Dex estoc dps build but i heard Dex to damage is a noob trap and bad when comparing to strength to damage. My build can only reach 12-25 damage with estoc +5, is this acceptable?

What is your build and what role do you want it to have?

a pure sword saint build (role: dps melee, support caster) . After a respec with bag of tricks mod, my estoc hit a little harder now (20-34).

 

[oldmanpaco]

Hi guys, i'm new to this franchise. I'm trying to create a Dex estoc dps build but i heard Dex to damage is a noob trap and bad when comparing to strength to damage. My build can only reach 12-25 damage with estoc +5, is this acceptable?

What is your build and what role do you want it to have?

a pure sword saint build (role: dps melee, support caster) . After a respec with bag of tricks mod, my estoc hit a little harder now (20-34).

Your base dmg isn't as important as you think. You need to maximize your AAO (Outflank, Seize the Moment, trips) and critical range (Improved Critical or high critical range weapons).

 

[Yosharian]

Do we have a good WOTR melee build?

I have a Legend build in progress on my Kingmaker page. It's a WIP though, at the moment there are a few items that either don't work or I don't know where they are. Also I need to redo the level order at some point. But anyway you can get the general idea

 

[Yosharian]

Hi guys, i'm new to this franchise. I'm trying to create a Dex estoc dps build but i heard Dex to damage is a noob trap and bad when comparing to strength to damage. My build can only reach 12-25 damage with estoc +5, is this acceptable?

What is your build and what role do you want it to have?

a pure sword saint build (role: dps melee, support caster) . After a respec with bag of tricks mod, my estoc hit a little harder now (20-34).

Your base dmg isn't as important as you think. You need to maximize your AAO (Outflank, Seize the Moment, trips) and critical range (Improved Critical or high critical range weapons).

Outflank and StM do not stack

 

[Yosharian]

Hi guys, i'm new to this franchise. I'm trying to create a Dex estoc dps build but i heard Dex to damage is a noob trap and bad when comparing to strength to damage. My build can only reach 12-25 damage with estoc +5, is this acceptable?

DEX build can work in KM with the Bane of the Living Elven Curve Blade, I wouldn't recommend it in Wrath though because the meta favours STR more in that game.

I have builds for both games on my Kingmaker page (see sig)

 

[oldmanpaco]

Hi guys, i'm new to this franchise. I'm trying to create a Dex estoc dps build but i heard Dex to damage is a noob trap and bad when comparing to strength to damage. My build can only reach 12-25 damage with estoc +5, is this acceptable?

What is your build and what role do you want it to have?

a pure sword saint build (role: dps melee, support caster) . After a respec with bag of tricks mod, my estoc hit a little harder now (20-34).

Your base dmg isn't as important as you think. You need to maximize your AAO (Outflank, Seize the Moment, trips) and critical range (Improved Critical or high critical range weapons).

Outflank and StM do not stack

Yeah true but if you have a lot of ranged characters it can be helpful.

 

[Yosharian]

Yeah true but if you have a lot of ranged characters it can be helpful.

Hm I guess so

 

[volklore]

Hi guys, i'm new to this franchise. I'm trying to create a Dex estoc dps build but i heard Dex to damage is a noob trap and bad when comparing to strength to damage. My build can only reach 12-25 damage with estoc +5, is this acceptable?

Dex to damage is only a noob trap if you want to min-max as hell. The main reason people say that is that in kingmaker, even on higher difficulties, you do not need insanely high AC in the endgame and the extra AC you will get from high dex is small in comparison to what buff/gear give you. Dex to dmg also requires more feats (since you have to pick weapon finesse and Slashing/fencing grace) and is still less damage than STR. A Dex build will still do completely fine, but you might have to carry it a bit early game.

 

[Yosharian]

> don't need insanely high AC

DEX build allows you to skip needing AC in other areas so it's not necessarily an automatic route to overkill

> in comparison to gear

You can give the best gear to your second tank, Pathfinder is a team game so it's not a waste if your MC doesn't need the best AC gear

> requires more feats

Not if the route you are taking with classes leads you to getting those feats/abilities for free.

> Less damage than STR

Not as much difference as you might think

> Have to carry it early game

It's the opposite, DEX builds have a much better AC progression than STR builds so they need less babysitting early game

 

[Yosharian]

If you build correctly DEX isn't a noob trap at all, on any difficulty.

 

[ArchAngel]

Haha Lol, best spell for necro is Magic Missile. Why? because necro has ability the makes it so any of your spells hitting enemy reduce ALL their physical or mental stats by 1. But if you hit them MM you actually do that PER missile LOL.

 

[razvedchiki]

wanna try out a fauchard merc trip build, its better to go 2handed warrior or something like a slayer?
im using COTW, are there any new feats for trip to look out?

 

[Stoned Ape]

wanna try out a fauchard merc trip build, its better to go 2handed warrior or something like a slayer?
im using COTW, are there any new feats for trip to look out?

I'd just go normal fighter and get armed bravery ASAP (scales with level up to +5 to Will saves). It does less damage (but still hits very hard) but is more resilient against the fey. With COTW you can also get a weapon training option to make your weapon damage dice scale with level up to 2d8, and another one to give it temporary enhancements for 1 min at a time (similar to magus/paladin).

 

[razvedchiki]

my mc is plain fighter, and since there is only one pair of gloves of dueling i thought going 2handed for the merc would be better.