Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

[razvedchiki]

blessed path is the best armor for pally?or a mithral plate if he has more than 12 dex?

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

You are cheating you horrible, horrible cheater.

I don't want to cheat though. But I spec'd my main with Dueling Sword and the sword is awesome so now I'm stuck between a bug and a hard place.

 

[Lawntoilet]

You are cheating you horrible, horrible cheater.

I don't want to cheat though. But I spec'd my main with Dueling Sword and the sword is awesome so now I'm stuck between a bug and a hard place.

It's definitely unintended but you'll find an overall better dueling sword that doesn't have the extra 1d6 anyway eventually, so you won't be exploiting that bug forever.

 

[Telemetry]

Saw a solo druid build a while ago in the main thread and wanted to experiment with it as my first solo run.

hooman
14
16
14
9
18
7

one levelup in INT first for a bit more skillpoints then rest in WIS

1 spell focus conj, improved ini, animal comp mastodon
2 ---
3 augment summoning
4 ---
5 natural spell
6 ---
7 dodge
8 ---
9 endurance
10 ---
11 superior summoning
12 ---
13 combat casting
14 ---
15 combat mobility
16 ---
17 weapon focus what u want
18 ---
19 improved critical
20 ---

have i planned this right? any retarded choices?

 

[ArchAngel]

Saw a solo druid build a while ago in the main thread and wanted to experiment with it as my first solo run.

hooman
14
16
14
9
18
7

one levelup in INT first for a bit more skillpoints then rest in WIS

1 spell focus conj, improved ini, animal comp mastodon
2 ---
3 augment summoning
4 ---
5 natural spell
6 ---
7 dodge
8 ---
9 endurance
10 ---
11 superior summoning
12 ---
13 combat casting
14 ---
15 combat mobility
16 ---
17 weapon focus what u want
18 ---
19 improved critical
20 ---

have i planned this right? any retarded choices?

Endurance why?
Superior summoning is not needed as it does not work well with spontaneous casting (it only works if you choose the options to summon 1dx summons and spontaneous always summons single summon)
Combat casting is not needed at high levels, your caster level + casting stat is higher than DC for casting spells without provoking AoO
Combat mobility why?
Weapon focus and improved critical why? For natural attack of your polymorph form? It is a waste.

Take Spell Pen and Greater Spell Pen. Take some more Spell Focus (for Sirocco for example so you make sure it disables enemies).
Even Toughness is more useful than these options. Also Skill Focus Perception, Trickery or Persuasion is needed. Preferably both Trickery and Persuasion.

 

[razvedchiki]

Is it possible to build an elven 2 handed build with a curved blade?unfortunately curved blade doesnt work with slashing grace....

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

Is it possible to build an elven 2 handed build with a curved blade?unfortunately curved blade doesnt work with slashing grace....

Jaethal or an elf character is automatically familiar with Elven weapons, saving you a proficiency feat with them. So yeah, why not? Elven Blades are nice, especially with Crit Focus, Specialization and so on. Just found a sweet one for Jaethal who's spec'd out in Elven Curve Blade in Chapter 4.

 

[Lawntoilet]

Is it possible to build an elven 2 handed build with a curved blade?unfortunately curved blade doesnt work with slashing grace....

It doesn't?? It should.

Slashing/Fencing Grace is for 1-handed weapons. Curve Blade is 2-handed.

 

[Haplo]

I would like to ask about your opinion about the importance of Combat Casting for a Magus build. I want to try a dex (+int/wis) Sword Saint Scimitar build, but between Slashing Grace, outflank, Dodge & Crane feats, weapon specialization, Imp. Crit and Shatter Defenses (for int to damage vs flat-footed... wonder if it gets multiplied on crits), he'll be pretty feat starved (even as human).

So I'm wondering if I can skip Combat Casting. That would allow me to pick specialization and shatter defenses (he'll not be scaring, but will strike enemies flat footed from Val/Jaethals intimidations) sooner and maybe even fit Piranha Strike or Greater Focus somewhere.

 

[Lawntoilet]

I would like to ask about your opinion about the importance of Combat Casting for a Magus build. I want to try a dex (+int/wis) Sword Saint Scimitar build, but between Slashing Grace, outflank, Dodge & Crane feats, weapon specialization, Imp. Crit and Shatter Defenses (for int to damage vs flat-footed... wonder if it gets multiplied on crits), he'll be pretty feat starved (even as human).

So I'm wondering if I can skip Combat Casting. That would allow me to pick specialization and shatter defenses (he'll not be scaring, but will strike enemies flat footed from Val/Jaethals intimidations) sooner and maybe even fit Piranha Strike or Greater Focus somewhere.

I don't think it is necessary. It helps at lower levels a fair bit, but your concentration checks will get high enough to compensate.

 

[razvedchiki]

So whats the point of the curved blade then?dex build needs str for dmg.

 

[Lawntoilet]

So whats the point of the curved blade then?dex build needs str for dmg.

Can Rogues use their Dex-to-damage feature for it? I never noticed.

 

[Elex]

Saw a solo druid build a while ago in the main thread and wanted to experiment with it as my first solo run.

hooman
14
16
14
9
18
7

one levelup in INT first for a bit more skillpoints then rest in WIS

1 spell focus conj, improved ini, animal comp mastodon
2 ---
3 augment summoning
4 ---
5 natural spell
6 ---
7 dodge
8 ---
9 endurance
10 ---
11 superior summoning
12 ---
13 combat casting
14 ---
15 combat mobility
16 ---
17 weapon focus what u want
18 ---
19 improved critical
20 ---

have i planned this right? any retarded choices?

int only give 0.5 skill points in p:k

 

[Haplo]

I would like to ask about your opinion about the importance of Combat Casting for a Magus build. I want to try a dex (+int/wis) Sword Saint Scimitar build, but between Slashing Grace, outflank, Dodge & Crane feats, weapon specialization, Imp. Crit and Shatter Defenses (for int to damage vs flat-footed... wonder if it gets multiplied on crits), he'll be pretty feat starved (even as human).

So I'm wondering if I can skip Combat Casting. That would allow me to pick specialization and shatter defenses (he'll not be scaring, but will strike enemies flat footed from Val/Jaethals intimidations) sooner and maybe even fit Piranha Strike or Greater Focus somewhere.

I don't think it is necessary. It helps at lower levels a fair bit, but your concentration checks will get high enough to compensate.

Hmm, I should have pretty high AC, so maybe some AoOs are not a huge problem. But there is also the issue of casts failed due to damage.

 

[Radech]

So whats the point of the curved blade then?dex build needs str for dmg.

Can Rogues use their Dex-to-damage feature for it? I never noticed.

Yup, I played around with a thug using an elven curved blade for a bit, you only get 1x dex though so a bit weak. - abandoned the char when they fixed thug intimidate and cornugon smash pulled entire instances

 

[thesheeep]

Weapon focus and improved critical why? For natural attack of your polymorph form? It is a waste.

Since when is weapon focus a waste for the weapon you are going to use for pretty much the entire game?
At least for a melee druid, I mean.
Then again, was this supposed to be a melee druid?

 

[ArchAngel]

Weapon focus and improved critical why? For natural attack of your polymorph form? It is a waste.

Since when is weapon focus a waste for the weapon you are going to use for pretty much the entire game?
At least for a melee druid, I mean.
Then again, was this supposed to be a melee druid?

Considering he has 16 dex and 14 strength and no weapon finesse, it is probably not a melee druid. Also there is no such thing as Weapon Focus (natural weapons) but claw, bite, slam are all separate attacks. So you are taking a weapon focus in only part of your attacks. That is why it is not worth it. Also improved Crit for a 20(x2) attack is never worth it.

 

[thesheeep]

Also there is no such thing as Weapon Focus (natural weapons) but claw, bite, slam are all separate attacks. So you are taking a weapon focus in only part of your attacks. That is why it is not worth it.

Yeah, that really is suboptimal. I know in the PnP you have a larger selection of animals to turn into, so I assume you could pick one that has a majority of claw/bite.

Also improved Crit for a 20(x2) attack is never worth it.

Indeed.

 

[razvedchiki]

its better to use +1/2/3 etc weapons or ones that add dmg but they have lower + to hit as a paladin?

 

[Lawntoilet]

its better to use +1/2/3 etc weapons or ones that add dmg but they have lower + to hit as a paladin?

Depends which weapon exactly, and if you're looking at other stuff like crit range, but generally +1/2/3 because they overcome more types of DR the bigger the +bonus is.

 

[Ent]

Just finished the game for the first time last night with an Elf vivisectionist. The amount of potential AC that class can get without much optimizing is pretty dumb. The damage was alright as well - I stuck to rapiers due to the elven proficiency and the game had a few interesting uniques to choose from. Probably make a tiefling character once thats available - still kinda disappointed that the new class ended up being kineticist they could've added something like the investigator or slayer if they wanted to avoid adding in more spells.

 

[Sykar]

I will soon be able to start with my first character. Any advice for a pure wizard?

 

[Efe]

yea, go sorcerer instead

 

[Sykar]

No thanks. Third or fourth playthrough I will consider one. First and second playthrough belongs to wizard and rogue.

 

[hell bovine]

I will soon be able to start with my first character. Any advice for a pure wizard?

Consider your spell choices carefully, because the majority of spells is not available as scrolls, so what you choose during level ups is what you get. This is why I went with a druid; a wizard with a limited spell selection just doesn't feel like one.