Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[AdamReith]

It's very good. Character building is pure porn. Plus it has a turn based mod, that works flawlessly and brings much more order to combat, then BG could ever dream of.

When you say it's pure porn are you suggesting that it's possible to create a very sexy character in this Fantasy themed RPG?

 

[Pink Eye]

It's very good. Character building is pure porn. Plus it has a turn based mod, that works flawlessly and brings much more order to combat, then BG could ever dream of.

When you say it's pure porn are you suggesting that it's possible to create a very sexy character in this Fantasy themed RPG?

No. lol.

 

[AdamReith]

It's very good. Character building is pure porn. Plus it has a turn based mod, that works flawlessly and brings much more order to combat, then BG could ever dream of.

When you say it's pure porn are you suggesting that it's possible to create a very sexy character in this Fantasy themed RPG?

No. lol.

This is the kind of shit I was worried about.

 

[Delterius]

It's very good. Character building is pure porn. Plus it has a turn based mod, that works flawlessly and brings much more order to combat, then BG could ever dream of.

When you say it's pure porn are you suggesting that it's possible to create a very sexy character in this Fantasy themed RPG?

No. lol.

This is the kind of shit I was worried about.

excuse me

that is a lie by the munchkins

the truth is if you are a man below 14 charisma its over XD

 

[Pink Eye]

Hello thread- I am on the fence with this game so hard. I got the impression it was terrible when it came out but there seems to be a lot of positivity about it on this forum.

So, is it good? Like, actually good? i.e. Not PoE "better than nothing" good. Or PoE2 "it's not as bad as the first one!" good?

That is to say, does it have characters with flaws. Interesting events? Stuff that I associate BG2 with?

To get specific, I see there are a number of female companions. Are they written as "I bet you didn't think I would be a fighter because I have a vagina! Fuck men!", or do they have actual characterization.

I tried to watch a Let's Play to figure this stuff out but those nasally voiced weirdos creeped me out, please help.

This game is basically BG 1+2. It's good and I highly recommend it.

 

[AdamReith]

Hello thread- I am on the fence with this game so hard. I got the impression it was terrible when it came out but there seems to be a lot of positivity about it on this forum.

So, is it good? Like, actually good? i.e. Not PoE "better than nothing" good. Or PoE2 "it's not as bad as the first one!" good?

That is to say, does it have characters with flaws. Interesting events? Stuff that I associate BG2 with?

To get specific, I see there are a number of female companions. Are they written as "I bet you didn't think I would be a fighter because I have a vagina! Fuck men!", or do they have actual characterization.

I tried to watch a Let's Play to figure this stuff out but those nasally voiced weirdos creeped me out, please help.

This game is basically BG 1+2. It's good and I highly recommend it.

I don't know how to do ratings but if I did I would choose "thanks for the input". I'm slowly being prodded off my fence and it feels pretty good.

 

[Daidre]

But really it's just a red flag for shit writing in general which I'm actually wary of. If the games writing is great and there just happens to be a few moronic "girl power" tropes in there it's not the end of the world.

P:K's writing is uneven. Some parts are originally written in English, some in Russian and it is noticeable early in-game. Most of the cringe-worthy parts are linked to romanceable companions in one way or another. Writing for quests and main plot though range from solid to genuinely good and it is much closer to lighthearted "pulpy" style of BG than PoE's "realistic" and pretentious approach.

Game does not pretend to be high literature and excels at it - combat, character building, dungeons and general adventuring is where its strengths are.

 

[Pink Eye]

Hello thread- I am on the fence with this game so hard. I got the impression it was terrible when it came out but there seems to be a lot of positivity about it on this forum.

So, is it good? Like, actually good? i.e. Not PoE "better than nothing" good. Or PoE2 "it's not as bad as the first one!" good?

That is to say, does it have characters with flaws. Interesting events? Stuff that I associate BG2 with?

To get specific, I see there are a number of female companions. Are they written as "I bet you didn't think I would be a fighter because I have a vagina! Fuck men!", or do they have actual characterization.

I tried to watch a Let's Play to figure this stuff out but those nasally voiced weirdos creeped me out, please help.

This game is basically BG 1+2. It's good and I highly recommend it.

I don't know how to do ratings but if I did I would choose "thanks for the input". I'm slowly being prodded off my fence and it feels pretty good.

Do consider though. It's a really REALLY long game. Early game is known for filtering out the impatient. If you have questions come here and ask them.

 

[Desiderius]

Hello thread- I am on the fence with this game so hard. I got the impression it was terrible when it came out but there seems to be a lot of positivity about it on this forum.

So, is it good? Like, actually good? i.e. Not PoE "better than nothing" good. Or PoE2 "it's not as bad as the first one!" good?

That is to say, does it have characters with flaws. Interesting events? Stuff that I associate BG2 with?

To get specific, I see there are a number of female companions. Are they written as "I bet you didn't think I would be a fighter because I have a vagina! Fuck men!", or do they have actual characterization.

I tried to watch a Let's Play to figure this stuff out but those nasally voiced weirdos creeped me out, please help.

PK is way (as in waaaaay) above POE's league, but if well written female characters are what you seek in your crpgs then I'm not sure if it's a game for you. Then again, in such scenario I'm not sure what game could I recommend and why are you even playing crpgs in the first place

I was thinking about this and I think Jaheira is my baseline. She was a sanctimonious bitch but at least the game semi-awknowledged it and Khalid balanced her out by being fantasy Niles from Frasier + dieing a cowards death (tragically).

But really it's just a red flag for shit writing in general which I'm actually wary of. If the games writing is great and there just happens to be a few moronic "girl power" tropes in there it's not the end of the world.

The Mary Sues doubt their choices in life. About goddamned time. You can still go girl power if that’s your thing, but it’s not forced and the downsides are acknowledged.

Game’s great. Bards are OP, Blindfight matters, and every skill can earn big EXP.

 

[Desiderius]

But really it's just a red flag for shit writing in general which I'm actually wary of. If the games writing is great and there just happens to be a few moronic "girl power" tropes in there it's not the end of the world.

P:K's writing is uneven. Some parts are originally written in English, some in Russian and it is noticeable early in-game. Most of the cringe-worthy parts are linked to romanceable companions in one way or another. Writing for quests and main plot though range from solid to genuinely good and it is much closer to lighthearted "pulpy" style of BG than PoE's "realistic" and pretentious approach.

Game does not pretend to be high literature and excel at it - combat, character building, dungeons and general adventuring is where its strengths are.

Neither does high literature. Pretense is fatal to that which is truly high. In my book this game gets there, whatever it set out to be. Nok-nok, Jubilost (hint: bleach is highly Caustic), Not-actually-so-magic Ekun. The writing fires on all cylinders.

 

[Pink Eye]

Desiderius did you get banned from steam!!!

 

[Desiderius]

A woman destroying unwitting men and their communities to prove she has what it takes to the corrupt powers that be? Hey, if the Damore fits...

 

[Trashos]

Hello thread- I am on the fence with this game so hard. I got the impression it was terrible when it came out but there seems to be a lot of positivity about it on this forum.

So, is it good? Like, actually good? i.e. Not PoE "better than nothing" good. Or PoE2 "it's not as bad as the first one!" good?

That is to say, does it have characters with flaws. Interesting events? Stuff that I associate BG2 with?

To get specific, I see there are a number of female companions. Are they written as "I bet you didn't think I would be a fighter because I have a vagina! Fuck men!", or do they have actual characterization.

I tried to watch a Let's Play to figure this stuff out but those nasally voiced weirdos creeped me out, please help.

The game is really good. It takes a number of risks and I am not on board with all of them, but it is still really good. As someone who considers BG2 the best RTwP game ever made (and one of the best RPGs ever), I can say that this time I am not being disappointed.

The writing is generally very good. The writers are obviously liberals, but as a conservative I never felt attacked. They are not simpletons or trying to fight a war here (as far as I have seen), they are just doing the best they can to produce something good. And it is good.

The companions are a bit disappointing, with some very obviously liberal tropes thrown in. Not on par with the rest of the writing, but you will survive.

Build design is build porn. Excellent.

All in all, it is worth your attention, and you might even love it.

 

[Desiderius]

Desiderius did you get banned from steam!!!

Working on it.

Hello thread- I am on the fence with this game so hard. I got the impression it was terrible when it came out but there seems to be a lot of positivity about it on this forum.

So, is it good? Like, actually good? i.e. Not PoE "better than nothing" good. Or PoE2 "it's not as bad as the first one!" good?

That is to say, does it have characters with flaws. Interesting events? Stuff that I associate BG2 with?

To get specific, I see there are a number of female companions. Are they written as "I bet you didn't think I would be a fighter because I have a vagina! Fuck men!", or do they have actual characterization.

I tried to watch a Let's Play to figure this stuff out but those nasally voiced weirdos creeped me out, please help.

The game is really good. It takes a number of risks and I am not on board with all of them, but it is still really good. As someone who considers BG2 the best RTwP game ever made (and one of the best RPGs ever), I can say that this time I am not being disappointed.

The writing is generally very good. The writers are obviously liberals, but as a conservative I never felt attacked. They are not simpletons or trying to fight a war here (as far as I have seen), they are just doing the best they can to produce something good. And it is good.

The companions are a bit disappointing, with some very obviously liberal tropes thrown in. Not on par with the rest of the writing, but you will survive.

Build design is build porn. Excellent.

All in all, it is worth your attention, and you might even love it.

If it were obvious you wouldn’t need to say it. Including prog plot options is just good marketing. Including prog-skeptic ones, and building one’s game around it, is liberal, conservative, and ballsy.

 

[AdamReith]

The game is really good. It takes a number of risks and I am not on board with all of them, but it is still really good. As someone who considers BG2 the best RTwP game ever made (and one of the best RPGs ever), I can say that this time I am not being disappointed.

The writing is generally very good. The writers are obviously liberals, but as a conservative I never felt attacked. They are not simpletons or trying to fight a war here (as far as I have seen), they are just doing the best they can to produce something good. And it is good.

The companions are a bit disappointing, with some very obviously liberal tropes thrown in. Not on par with the rest of the writing, but you will survive.

Build design is build porn. Excellent.

All in all, it is worth your attention, and you might even love it.

I think this really hits at the heart of my concern. A liberal skewed morality (or amorality as some would consider it) system runs counter to a good Fantasy adventure for me.

Did you feel, as a conservative thinker that the game railroaded you into making liberal choices or forced liberal style thinking onto your avatar?

Maybe I shouldn't care about this sort of stuff in video games but I do.

 

[ArchAngel]

This is a dream game of IE and D&D games fans. It has exploration of Bg1, epic stuff of BG2 and build options of NWN2.

 

[Daidre]

Did you feel, as a conservative thinker that the game railroaded you into making liberal choices or forced liberal style thinking onto your avatar?

It is not me this question was addressed to but...

...P:K is the game where you can put gallows at the main square of your capital and get excellent bonus for doing so.

 

[Trashos]

If it were obvious you wouldn’t need to say it.

I am saying it to someone who hasn't played the game yet.

ncluding prog-skeptic ones, and building one’s game around it, is liberal, conservative, and ballsy.

As Kubrick once said to Jack Nicholson: "Yes, Jack, but it is not interesting." And I still didn't get the party I wanted!

Did you feel, as a conservative thinker that the game railroaded you into making liberal choices or forced liberal style thinking onto your avatar?

Not at all (but keep in mind that I haven't finished the game yet). Not only have I not noticed any agenda in the role-playing choices, but in addition this is the rare RPG where any alignment seems equally playable (well, to a rare degree, at least). I emphasize that the writers do not come across as retarded SJWs. They are not retarded, and if they are SJW (which is not necessarily the case), they haven't put it in the game.

If you have any problems of this kind, it is probably going to be with some of the companion tropes. But they are not as bad as they first appear. In the worst case scenario, companions won't destroy your fun, they just won't add to it.

 

[Desiderius]

if you are a man below 14 charisma its over XD

WIS to Initiative = OP

 

[Desiderius]

Did you feel, as a conservative thinker that the game railroaded you into making liberal choices or forced liberal style thinking onto your avatar?

It is not me this question was addressed to but...

...P:K is the game where you can put gallows at the main square of your capital and get excellent bonus for doing so.

By the same token there are definite consequences for wanton cruelty, which is also conservative.

There are substantial, specific rewards for each non-Evil alignment.

 

[Desiderius]

The game is really good. It takes a number of risks and I am not on board with all of them, but it is still really good. As someone who considers BG2 the best RTwP game ever made (and one of the best RPGs ever), I can say that this time I am not being disappointed.

The writing is generally very good. The writers are obviously liberals, but as a conservative I never felt attacked. They are not simpletons or trying to fight a war here (as far as I have seen), they are just doing the best they can to produce something good. And it is good.

The companions are a bit disappointing, with some very obviously liberal tropes thrown in. Not on par with the rest of the writing, but you will survive.

Build design is build porn. Excellent.

All in all, it is worth your attention, and you might even love it.

I think this really hits at the heart of my concern. A liberal skewed morality (or amorality as some would consider it) system runs counter to a good Fantasy adventure for me.

Did you feel, as a conservative thinker that the game railroaded you into making liberal choices or forced liberal style thinking onto your avatar?

Maybe I shouldn't care about this sort of stuff in video games but I do.

You absolutely should, this our literature. The Poz pushed by the Gamergate freaks on games and gamers is illiberal.

 

[Daidre]

There are substantial, specific rewards for each non-Evil alignment.

But Lawful Evil is still most convenient alignment for barony-ruling with Lawful Neutral right behind.

 

[Delterius]

Chaotic Neutral has cool statues of hedonism. Its the best.

 

[AdamReith]

Thankyou so much for the above. I was half afraid I'd get character assassinated just for asking that question. This forum is awesome.

The comparison that came to me was the part in BG2 where you have a bunch of students working on a magic item for you. I was riding the mad wizard vibe hard and had them basically kill themselves making what turned out to be a rad magic item.

Morality wise it was shitty but I was rewarded because it was role playing gold! That's what I crave!

I think I will bite. Will report back in time. Thanks again!

 

[Desiderius]

There are substantial, specific rewards for each non-Evil alignment.

But Lawful Evil is still most convenient alignment for barony-ruling with Lawful Neutral right behind.

The Steam forums are full of kids crying about the predictable consequences of their LE choices.

I don’t know man, evil makes my blood boil. I really don’t get craving it or whatever.

It’s banal.

The one word I’d use to describe the game world and the writing is humane. Which, as my handle suggests, is my primary concern. The Poz/SJW is to its core inhumane. So is LE.

This playthrough my MC is LN and there are big rewards for that.