Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Desiderius]

The game is really good. It takes a number of risks and I am not on board with all of them, but it is still really good. As someone who considers BG2 the best RTwP game ever made (and one of the best RPGs ever), I can say that this time I am not being disappointed.

The writing is generally very good. The writers are obviously liberals, but as a conservative I never felt attacked. They are not simpletons or trying to fight a war here (as far as I have seen), they are just doing the best they can to produce something good. And it is good.

The companions are a bit disappointing, with some very obviously liberal tropes thrown in. Not on par with the rest of the writing, but you will survive.

Build design is build porn. Excellent.

All in all, it is worth your attention, and you might even love it.

I think this really hits at the heart of my concern. A liberal skewed morality (or amorality as some would consider it) system runs counter to a good Fantasy adventure for me.

Did you feel, as a conservative thinker that the game railroaded you into making liberal choices or forced liberal style thinking onto your avatar?

Maybe I shouldn't care about this sort of stuff in video games but I do.

You absolutely should, this our literature. The Poz pushed by the Gamergate freaks on games and gamers is illiberal.

Infinitron understands. Despair is arrogance.

Also: Buffett fans are called Parrotheads. They’re ubiquitous around here.

 

[Yosharian]

You absolutely should, this our literature. The Poz pushed by the Gamergate freaks on games and gamers is illiberal.

Where did that come from lol

 

[Yosharian]

The writing in this game is average at best but it knows it's average. Unlike POE which labors under the illusion that it is well-written. Kingmaker is just a fun fantasy romp, don't look too hard at the writing and enjoy the game's other merits.

 

[Desiderius]

You absolutely should, this our literature. The Poz pushed by the Gamergate freaks on games and gamers is illiberal.

Where did that come from lol

He was worried that the writers are too liberal. It's not liberals pushing all the SJW bullshit he's trying to avoid. SJWs hate liberals. Ask them, they'll tell you.

 

[Lacrymas]

It depends on what you mean by "liberals". SJWs hate Marxists and Neo-liberals, but not liberals in general.

 

[Yosharian]

It depends on what you mean by "liberals". SJWs hate marxists and neo-liberals, but not liberals in general.

SJWs hate Marxists? Citation needed?

 

[Yosharian]

You absolutely should, this our literature. The Poz pushed by the Gamergate freaks on games and gamers is illiberal.

Where did that come from lol

He was worried that the writers are too liberal. It's not liberals pushing all the SJW bullshit he's trying to avoid. SJWs hate liberals. Ask them, they'll tell you.

SJWs hate liberals? Do you have even one example to back that up?

 

[Lacrymas]

SJWs hate Marxists? Citation needed?

SJWs accuse Marxists of being racist, sexist, transphobic and yadda yadda, navel-gazing utopists, and a privileged club of white bros who only care about economic class and not about gender and race divides. I don't know what citation you want, I thought it's common knowledge.

 

[Delterius]

Anti SJWs on the other hand commonly write videogames where the best tribal warrior is ignored for her womanhood.

 

[Trashos]

The writing in this game is average at best but it knows it's average. Unlike POE which labors under the illusion that it is well-written. Kingmaker is just a fun fantasy romp, don't look too hard at the writing and enjoy the game's other merits.

I don't agree. Average writing in games is insulting-tier, even though I have learnt to live with it. This is very good writing, just not mind blowing. It is way above average, and way better than what I had expected.

One could say, nu Obsidian should fire their writers and hire these guys. But I am not going to say it.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Decided to leave the cave of boggarts I found for another day. I haven't been keeping close track of time, but I think I can still get the reward for killing the StagLord in a month. Similarly, I found a cave filled with murderous wererats. Reload. i finally killed Smoulderburn on my way to The Staglord's Fortress. It was a very tedious fight, but Regongar definitely showed up and made it easier. Jaethal was my other MVP. At the fortress, my AT hit Level 6 just outside of the gates, so now I'll be going in with Fireball and Stinking Cloud. Should be a good fight, but I'm optimistic.

 

[Desiderius]

You absolutely should, this our literature. The Poz pushed by the Gamergate freaks on games and gamers is illiberal.

Where did that come from lol

He was worried that the writers are too liberal. It's not liberals pushing all the SJW bullshit he's trying to avoid. SJWs hate liberals. Ask them, they'll tell you.

SJWs hate liberals? Do you have even one example to back that up?

They call us Neoliberals (of course as I age I’m less liberal and more conservative myself, but by historical standards we’re all liberals) and hate us with the heat of a thousand suns. As I said, they’re not shy about advertising it. You’re fortunate to be oblivious to all this. Wish I were.

 

[Desiderius]

It depends on what you mean by "liberals". SJWs hate marxists and neo-liberals, but not liberals in general.

SJWs hate Marxists? Citation needed?

SJWs are Marxists. Marx hated and Marxists hate liberals. Always have. The Fabians replaced the Liberal Party of Gladstone.

 

[Lacrymas]

SJWs are only Marxists if you equate the entirety of the modern left with Marxists, while SJWs explicitly hate them and there's like 1 point in which they overlap (economic hierarchy) but are not in agreement about where the problem lies, sooooo, yeah. It's like claiming Hitler was a Marxist because he thought free-trade capitalism leads to the economic dominance of a rentier class over everyone else.

 

[Delterius]

hitler was an anti white socialist

 

[Desiderius]

This is the first game where playing True Neutral actually feels like it's supposed to: you're a mediator, first and foremost. Compromise and common sense, to the point of banality, is your middle name.

At least it pays well.

 

[Desiderius]

Which regions are along the border with Brevoy?

 

[Yosharian]

SJWs hate Marxists? Citation needed?

SJWs accuse Marxists of being racist, sexist, transphobic and yadda yadda, navel-gazing utopists, and a privileged club of white bros who only care about economic class and not about gender and race divides. I don't know what citation you want, I thought it's common knowledge.

Do you understand what CITATION NEEDED means? It's not fucking common knowledge, it's the most batshit crazy thing I've read on the internet in a long time. In short, I don't believe you; hell, I don't even think you believe you.

Edit:

Spoiler

Social justice is the complete economic equality of all members of society. While this may sound like a lofty objective, what it really means is that wealth should be collected by the government and evenly distributed to everyone. In short, social justice is communism. It is rooted in the Marxist idea that the money people make and the property they own do not rightfully belong to the people who make the money and own the property.

I found plenty of evidence that social justice and Marxism are pretty closely aligned, even if some that label themselves as either group may not particularly like each other at times. But the idea that they hate each other seems like something you dreamed up.

 

[Yosharian]

You absolutely should, this our literature. The Poz pushed by the Gamergate freaks on games and gamers is illiberal.

Where did that come from lol

He was worried that the writers are too liberal. It's not liberals pushing all the SJW bullshit he's trying to avoid. SJWs hate liberals. Ask them, they'll tell you.

SJWs hate liberals? Do you have even one example to back that up?

They call us Neoliberals (of course as I age I’m less liberal and more conservative myself, but by historical standards we’re all liberals) and hate us with the heat of a thousand suns. As I said, they’re not shy about advertising it. You’re fortunate to be oblivious to all this. Wish I were.

Sounds like you're being more than a little disingenuous with your labels.

 

[Lacrymas]

SJWs hate Marxists? Citation needed?

SJWs accuse Marxists of being racist, sexist, transphobic and yadda yadda, navel-gazing utopists, and a privileged club of white bros who only care about economic class and not about gender and race divides. I don't know what citation you want, I thought it's common knowledge.

Do you understand what CITATION NEEDED means? It's not fucking common knowledge, it's the most batshit crazy thing I've read on the internet in a long time. In short, I don't believe you; hell, I don't even think you believe you.

Edit:

Spoiler

Social justice is the complete economic equality of all members of society. While this may sound like a lofty objective, what it really means is that wealth should be collected by the government and evenly distributed to everyone. In short, social justice is communism. It is rooted in the Marxist idea that the money people make and the property they own do not rightfully belong to the people who make the money and own the property.

Socialism =/= Marxism, and even then reddit posts from "socialists" aren't exactly high brow citations. What "socialists"/"Marxists" say about themselves doesn't necessarily mean they aren't what the SJWs accuse them of. I still don't know from where you want a citation, though, if you've spent even a modicum of time reading through SJW propaganda you'd know that SJWs don't like the Marxists for the reasons I said. SJWs also don't like the postmodernists, is that a new thing to you too?

 

[Delterius]

Which regions are along the border with Brevoy?

Iobaria to the east, Numeria to the west, you to the south and a giant lake to the north. Mendev is across that lake. Iobaria is like the river kingdoms but with plague and no people.

 

[Yosharian]

Socialism =/= Marxism, and even then reddit posts from "socialists" aren't exactly high brow citations. What "socialists"/"Marxists" say about themselves doesn't necessarily mean they aren't what the SJWs accuse them of. I still don't know from where you want a citation, though, if you've spent even a modicum of time reading through SJW propaganda you'd know that SJWs don't like the Marxists for the reasons I said. SJWs also don't like the postmodernists, is that a new thing to you too?

Yes, Socialism and Marxism aren't wholly the same, but they share some similarities; they certainly don't hate each other. At worst they believe strongly that the other group has the wrong approach for achieving their shared goals. 'Hate' is something more appropriate for how social justice advocates feel about Nazis, for example. At least I provided some evidence, unlike you. I read and watch tons of SJW crap and I've never, ever seen any of them have a go at Marxism. Like, ever.

Searching for 'SJW' on r/Marxism yields almost nothing, except this absolute gem of a post:

Hello there.

I've been a true lefty for about a year now whereas prior I was admittedly politically braindead and fell for the whole "Anti-SJW" crowd. I know and please forgive me.

My question is what are some good introductory books on Marxist theory and/or on the general global implications throughout history of striving for a Communist/Socialist society? I know the basics pretty much. That socialism is the rectification of Capitalisms' ills. That workers own the means of production, and that its generally thought of as a transitional period into Communism etc etc. I want to expand my knowledge of the subject.

PS: If you're not aware of who he is already please check out Vaush on YT! Hes specifically responsible for pulling me into a socialist/communist mindset and I highly reccomend his content.

Fascinating.

 

[Desiderius]

Socialism =/= Marxism, and even then reddit posts from "socialists" aren't exactly high brow citations. What "socialists"/"Marxists" say about themselves doesn't necessarily mean they aren't what the SJWs accuse them of. I still don't know from where you want a citation, though, if you've spent even a modicum of time reading through SJW propaganda you'd know that SJWs don't like the Marxists for the reasons I said. SJWs also don't like the postmodernists, is that a new thing to you too?

Yes, Socialism and Marxism aren't wholly the same, but they share some similarities; they certainly don't hate each other. At worst they believe strongly that the other group has the wrong idea. 'Hate' is something more appropriate for how social justice advocates feel about Nazis, for example. At least I provided some evidence, unlike you. I read and watch tons of SJW crap and I've never, ever seen any of them have a go at Marxism. Like, ever.

Are you talking to me about being disingenuous? Not at all. Seriously, ask an SJW what they think of Liberals. Ask a Socialist for that matter. They're illiberal and proud of it. That's why they're trying to repeal the first two amendments to the Constitution. You can use a Search Engine as well as I can. I'm talking about history and common knowledge.

 

[Desiderius]

Socialism =/= Marxism, and even then reddit posts from "socialists" aren't exactly high brow citations. What "socialists"/"Marxists" say about themselves doesn't necessarily mean they aren't what the SJWs accuse them of. I still don't know from where you want a citation, though, if you've spent even a modicum of time reading through SJW propaganda you'd know that SJWs don't like the Marxists for the reasons I said. SJWs also don't like the postmodernists, is that a new thing to you too?

Yes, Socialism and Marxism aren't wholly the same, but they share some similarities; they certainly don't hate each other. At worst they believe strongly that the other group has the wrong approach for achieving their shared goals. 'Hate' is something more appropriate for how social justice advocates feel about Nazis, for example. At least I provided some evidence, unlike you. I read and watch tons of SJW crap and I've never, ever seen any of them have a go at Marxism. Like, ever.

Searching for 'SJW' on r/Marxism yields almost nothing, except this absolute gem of a post:

Hello there.

I've been a true lefty for about a year now whereas prior I was admittedly politically braindead and fell for the whole "Anti-SJW" crowd. I know and please forgive me.

My question is what are some good introductory books on Marxist theory and/or on the general global implications throughout history of striving for a Communist/Socialist society? I know the basics pretty much. That socialism is the rectification of Capitalisms' ills. That workers own the means of production, and that its generally thought of as a transitional period into Communism etc etc. I want to expand my knowledge of the subject.

PS: If you're not aware of who he is already please check out Vaush on YT! Hes specifically responsible for pulling me into a socialist/communist mindset and I highly reccomend his content.

Fascinating.

Marxists are Socialists. You're completely confused. The Left is illiberal and proud of it.

 

[Desiderius]

SJWs hate Marxists? Citation needed?

SJWs accuse Marxists of being racist, sexist, transphobic and yadda yadda, navel-gazing utopists, and a privileged club of white bros who only care about economic class and not about gender and race divides. I don't know what citation you want, I thought it's common knowledge.

Do you understand what CITATION NEEDED means? It's not fucking common knowledge, it's the most batshit crazy thing I've read on the internet in a long time. In short, I don't believe you; hell, I don't even think you believe you.

Edit:

Spoiler

Social justice is the complete economic equality of all members of society. While this may sound like a lofty objective, what it really means is that wealth should be collected by the government and evenly distributed to everyone. In short, social justice is communism. It is rooted in the Marxist idea that the money people make and the property they own do not rightfully belong to the people who make the money and own the property.

I found plenty of evidence that social justice and Marxism are pretty closely aligned, even if some that label themselves as either group may not particularly like each other at times. But the idea that they hate each other seems like something you dreamed up.

What on Earth are you talking about? I said that SJWs are Marxist myself. They hate Liberals and Liberalism.