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[Yosharian]

Socialism =/= Marxism, and even then reddit posts from "socialists" aren't exactly high brow citations. What "socialists"/"Marxists" say about themselves doesn't necessarily mean they aren't what the SJWs accuse them of. I still don't know from where you want a citation, though, if you've spent even a modicum of time reading through SJW propaganda you'd know that SJWs don't like the Marxists for the reasons I said. SJWs also don't like the postmodernists, is that a new thing to you too?

Yes, Socialism and Marxism aren't wholly the same, but they share some similarities; they certainly don't hate each other. At worst they believe strongly that the other group has the wrong idea. 'Hate' is something more appropriate for how social justice advocates feel about Nazis, for example. At least I provided some evidence, unlike you. I read and watch tons of SJW crap and I've never, ever seen any of them have a go at Marxism. Like, ever.

Are you talking to me about being disingenuous? Not at all. Seriously, ask an SJW what they think of Liberals. Ask a Socialist for that matter. They're illiberal and proud of it. That's why they're trying to repeal the first two amendments to the Constitution. You can use a Search Engine as well as I can.

That's precisely what I've been doing for the past half an hour, and I've found nothing which backs up yours and Lacrymas' bizarre, alternate-reality viewpoints.

If you want to try to argue that social justice is actually illiberal, you don't have to convince me of that. But there's a world of difference between that, and asserting that social justice actively hates liberalism.

 

[Yosharian]

Lindsay Ellis, for example, a rabid social justice advocate, has made a video on Marxism which contains absolutely zero 'hate', and the comments are mostly stupid memes rather than containing any hate. And it was posted on Gamerghazi, which if you are familiar with Gamergate, needs no introduction; again no hatred, just a smattering of IDPOL nonsense and fangirling over their favorite idiot appearing in said video.

 

[Lacrymas]

Socialism =/= Marxism, and even then reddit posts from "socialists" aren't exactly high brow citations. What "socialists"/"Marxists" say about themselves doesn't necessarily mean they aren't what the SJWs accuse them of. I still don't know from where you want a citation, though, if you've spent even a modicum of time reading through SJW propaganda you'd know that SJWs don't like the Marxists for the reasons I said. SJWs also don't like the postmodernists, is that a new thing to you too?

Yes, Socialism and Marxism aren't wholly the same, but they share some similarities; they certainly don't hate each other. At worst they believe strongly that the other group has the wrong approach for achieving their shared goals. 'Hate' is something more appropriate for how social justice advocates feel about Nazis, for example. At least I provided some evidence, unlike you. I read and watch tons of SJW crap and I've never, ever seen any of them have a go at Marxism. Like, ever.

The Marxists accuse SJWs of not having theoretical or practical frameworks for what they are doing, supporting unscientific claims like the bajillion genders, that they don't understand true privilege is wealth and the "oppression web" of race/gender/sexuality comes from the historical economic discrepancy between rich white families vs everyone else (kind of oversimplification), and a lot of these kinds of things

SJWs on the other hand accuse the Marxists of not being woke enough basically, and that Marxist authors have historically been homophobic, transphobic, sexist (necessitating Marxist feminism), etc. etc. We have seen this in practice, though, basically all communist states didn't have that kind of "equality". They also accuse them of oversimplifying oppression by only focusing on wealth instead of also on social and institutional systems that discriminate against anyone who isn't white and straight.

I don't know if I'll be able to find "citations" on the internet like reddit, maybe try searching Marxism vs SJW or something on google, this is mainly from books and texts I've come across over the years, I wouldn't know where to find an exact citation. Maybe hate is a strong word, but they don't like each other.

 

[Yosharian]

maybe try searching Marxism vs SJW or something on google

Gee, until you suggested that I had no idea it was an option

Nothing you just wrote remotely resembles hatred, btw

 

[Yosharian]

Critical Theory is at the center of a lot of social justice theory and that literally has its roots in Marxism, just another example.

The Frankfurt School perspective of critical investigation (open-ended and self-critical) is based upon Freudian, Marxist and Hegelian premises of idealist philosophy. To fill the omissions of 19th-century classical Marxism, which could not address 20th-century social problems, they applied the methods of antipositivist sociology, of psychoanalysis, and of existentialism. The School’s sociologic works derived from syntheses of the thematically pertinent works of Immanuel Kant, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, and Karl Marx, of Sigmund Freud and Max Weber, and of Georg Simmel and Georg Lukács.

Like Karl Marx, the Frankfurt School concerned themselves with the conditions (political, economic, societal) that allow for social change realised by way of rational social institutions.

 

[Trashos]

Are you all talking about the same thing? Liberalism in Economics is one thing, liberalism in ethics is another, and liberalism in both is not a given when someone talks about being a liberal. In Europe, the word liberal means something different to what it means in the US (although due to the general interest that the US attracts, some Europeans may use the US meaning).

 

[Yosharian]

Are you all talking about the same thing? Liberalism in Economics is one thing, liberalism in ethics is another, and liberalism in both is not a given when someone talks about being a liberal. In Europe, the word liberal means something different to what it means in the US (although due to the general interest that the US attracts, some Europeans may use the US meaning).

No such distinction was made by the original poster

He was worried that the writers are too liberal. It's not liberals pushing all the SJW bullshit he's trying to avoid. SJWs hate liberals. Ask them, they'll tell you.

I'm sure it's super convienent to clarify 'Oh I wasn't talking about those liberals!' after the fact

 

[Lacrymas]

Critical Theory is at the center of a lot of social justice theory and that literally has its roots in Marxism, just another example.

SJWism has taken the notion of oppressive class vs the oppressed from Marxism, yes, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing or even similar. Hate is a strong word, true, but they don't like each other. I found something on reddit.

 

[Yosharian]

Critical Theory is at the center of a lot of social justice theory and that literally has its roots in Marxism, just another example.

SJWism has taken the notion of oppressive class vs the oppressed from Marxism, yes, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing or even similar. Hate is a strong word, true, but they don't like each other. I found something on reddit.

Yes, I found that too. And if you look on the sidebar you'll see just how full of shit those people are.

 

[Desiderius]

Critical Theory is at the center of a lot of social justice theory and that literally has its roots in Marxism, just another example.

SJWism has taken the notion of oppressive class vs the oppressed from Marxism, yes, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing or even similar. Hate is a strong word, true, but they don't like each other. I found something on reddit.

Yes, I found that too. And if you look on the sidebar you'll see just how full of shit those people are.

You keep conflating Marxism and Liberalism, which anyone on either side of the Atlantic can tell you is utterly historically illiterate. Marxists are illiberal and proud of it. Marxists (Labour) replaced the Liberals in the home of Marx (the UK) and liquidated them in Russia (Bolshevik vs Menshevik).

I’m not being nice to liberals here - we’ve utterly fucked up on any number of levels and need a full scale Trumpian shellacking to get our heads out of our asses - but just stating historical reality up to the present.

 

[Yosharian]

Critical Theory is at the center of a lot of social justice theory and that literally has its roots in Marxism, just another example.

SJWism has taken the notion of oppressive class vs the oppressed from Marxism, yes, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing or even similar. Hate is a strong word, true, but they don't like each other. I found something on reddit.

Yes, I found that too. And if you look on the sidebar you'll see just how full of shit those people are.

You keep conflating Marxism and Liberalism, which anyone on either side of the Atlantic can tell you is utterly historically illiterate. Marxists are illiberal and proud of it. Marxists (Labour) replaced the Liberals in the home of Marx (the UK) and liquidated them in Russia (Bolshevik vs Menshevik).

I’m not being nice to liberals here - we’ve utterly fucked up on any number of levels and need a full scale Trumpian shellacking to get our heads out of our asses - but just stating historical reality up to the present.

You understand that I'm responding to two different posts, right? I'm not conflating anything.

 

[Desiderius]

These liberals are very bad at it:

https://www.newstatesman.com/cultur...-pinker-s-embarrassing-new-book-feeble-sermon

but they're not Marxists and both Marxists and SJWs loathe them.

Here he is sort of agreeing with your take:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/10/closing-conservative-mind-politics-and-art-war

 

[Desiderius]

You understand that I'm responding to two different posts, right? I'm not conflating anything.

OK, I didn't understand that. I have the Lidless Eye on ignore. If you recognize the distinction between Progtards/Marxists/SJWs on one hand and Liberals on the other I've got no bone to pick. I lump the former together because they're all enthusiastically illiberal and that's what makes them dangerous/evil.

 

[Desiderius]

those liberals!'

SJWs aren't liberals. They're petty tyrant spoiled rich kid dipshits.

 

[Yosharian]

You understand that I'm responding to two different posts, right? I'm not conflating anything.

OK, I didn't understand that. I have the Lidless Eye on ignore. If you recognize the distinction between Progtards/Marxists/SJWs on one hand and Liberals on the other I've got no bone to pick. I lump the former together because they're all enthusiastically illiberal and that's what makes them dangerous/evil.

Ohh haha. Ok that would explain a lot. I guess that looked pretty bizarre on your end.

 

[Desiderius]

So, got back to Westboro Baptist Cult of Prisms. Infinitron is right, it’s SJW with a human face. Meh.

Val being abashed by the Head Priest’s graciousness is a ray of light, but it has no impact on her thugishness, the bad guy is a zero-dimensional foil, and Sennet/Shelyn cucks for a mess of niceness pottage.

At least that’s an accurate representation of the contemporary church.

 

[Trashos]

I think I fulfill all requirements for upgrading my capital to a town, but there is no related Project. I have 5 villages, and the capital has 6 buildings (currently building the 7th). Do I just have to be patient for the Project to come up? Or is there something more I have to do?

My other villages have 2-4 buildings each, if that makes any difference.

 

[ArchAngel]

I think I fulfill all requirements for upgrading my capital to a town, but there is no related Project. I have 5 villages, and the capital has 6 buildings (currently building the 7th). Do I just have to be patient for the Project to come up? Or is there something more I have to do?

My other villages have 2-4 buildings each, if that makes any difference.

I think you will get the project only after you become a King.

 

[Pink Eye]

I think I fulfill all requirements for upgrading my capital to a town, but there is no related Project. I have 5 villages, and the capital has 6 buildings (currently building the 7th). Do I just have to be patient for the Project to come up? Or is there something more I have to do?

My other villages have 2-4 buildings each, if that makes any difference.

I think you will get the project only after you become a King.

I don't think so.

 

[Delterius]

Pink Eye question aboot expectations and magic

would you consider dumpstatting to be 'min maxing'?

 

[Pink Eye]

Pink Eye question aboot expectations and magic

would you consider dumpstatting to be 'min maxing'?

No. Optimizing one's stats is not the same as min maxing.

 

[panda]

I think I fulfill all requirements for upgrading my capital to a town, but there is no related Project. I have 5 villages, and the capital has 6 buildings (currently building the 7th). Do I just have to be patient for the Project to come up? Or is there something more I have to do?

My other villages have 2-4 buildings each, if that makes any difference.

I think you will get the project only after you become a King.

That's for the "City"(and even then i'm not sure).
And IIRC certain amount of buildings required for "town" upgrade. 8 buildings in each village should work like a charm.

 

[Delterius]

Pink Eye question aboot expectations and magic

would you consider dumpstatting to be 'min maxing'?

No. Optimizing one's stats is not the same as min maxing.

As I thought.

Like it might be silly but even if, say, my Strength, Wisdom and Charisma are irrelevant to my build the very thought of being A) physically weaker than linzi, B) dumber than valerie and C) a king who stutters and shit just drives me up the wall. So I tend to never drop stats at all and live with the consequences.

Sure thats nothing compared to the epic level fuckery that a build porn game based off 3.5 can let you do. There's probably a build out there of an angel child with demon blood and arcane/monk/aldori training. But there's this gulf of meaning between what different people call min-maxing.

Like, min-maxing means optmization of stats you know. Minimal int, maximum strength. Etc.

 

[Trashos]

And IIRC certain amount of buildings required for "town" upgrade. 8 buildings in each village should work like a charm.

In EACH village?! Can anyone confirm? That's a lot of BP to invest, if I am not sure. And it is certainly not what the loading screen advice states. (according to the loading screen, # of buildings in the rest of the villages should not be relevant. Not sure I trust it, though.)

 

[Delterius]

And IIRC certain amount of buildings required for "town" upgrade. 8 buildings in each village should work like a charm.

In EACH village?! Can anyone confirm? That's a lot of BP to invest, if I am not sure. And it is certainly not what the loading screen advice states. (according to the loading screen, # of buildings in the rest of the villages should not be relevant. Not sure I trust it, though.)

Yeah but don't you want a kingdom full of pretty buildings?