Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Pink Eye]

Pink Eye question aboot expectations and magic

would you consider dumpstatting to be 'min maxing'?

No. Optimizing one's stats is not the same as min maxing.

To expound upon my point, consider the following. A fighter has no need for INT or CHA. A fighter isn't someone whom is very smart, nor is he someone who has an affinity for magic. It makes perfect sense to dump those stats, then reallocate them towards stats that would be more practical for the fighter.

 

[santino27]

I think I fulfill all requirements for upgrading my capital to a town, but there is no related Project. I have 5 villages, and the capital has 6 buildings (currently building the 7th). Do I just have to be patient for the Project to come up? Or is there something more I have to do?

My other villages have 2-4 buildings each, if that makes any difference.

I think you will get the project only after you become a King.

As others have said, you're thinking of the city upgrade for your capital... the town upgrade comes a lot sooner.

And IIRC certain amount of buildings required for "town" upgrade. 8 buildings in each village should work like a charm.

In EACH village?! Can anyone confirm? That's a lot of BP to invest, if I am not sure. And it is certainly not what the loading screen advice states. (according to the loading screen, # of buildings in the rest of the villages should not be relevant. Not sure I trust it, though.)

I add buildings to every town just for the stat upgrades (leaving space for artisans), but per this steam post, I think you need 6 per town: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/2805074491021446106/

You need multiple regions under your control, each with their own settlement, and each of those settlements needs enough buildings. Then, the settlement upgrade project will pop up eventually in the kingdom screen.

IIRC you need 6 buildings in a settlement for it to count, and you can upgrade one type of settlement for every three others you have of the same tier - so you need four villages for a town, four towns for a city. Could be wrong with the specific here.

 

[Trashos]

And IIRC certain amount of buildings required for "town" upgrade. 8 buildings in each village should work like a charm.

In EACH village?! Can anyone confirm? That's a lot of BP to invest, if I am not sure. And it is certainly not what the loading screen advice states. (according to the loading screen, # of buildings in the rest of the villages should not be relevant. Not sure I trust it, though.)

Yeah but don't you want a kingdom full of pretty buildings?

Hm...

No.

My empire is already growing faster than I can keep up with (I have trouble finding time for all the rank up Projects). It 'd be nice to have a City where my shameful peasants can hide into large crowds, though.

 

[Trashos]

I add buildings to every town just for the stat upgrades (leaving space for artisans), but per this steam post, I think you need 6 per town: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/2805074491021446106/

You need multiple regions under your control, each with their own settlement, and each of those settlements needs enough buildings. Then, the settlement upgrade project will pop up eventually in the kingdom screen.

IIRC you need 6 buildings in a settlement for it to count, and you can upgrade one type of settlement for every three others you have of the same tier - so you need four villages for a town, four towns for a city. Could be wrong with the specific here.

Guess I am going to try that. What else can I do.

 

[Pink Eye]

Pink Eye question aboot expectations and magic

would you consider dumpstatting to be 'min maxing'?

No. Optimizing one's stats is not the same as min maxing.

As I thought.

Like it might be silly but even if, say, my Strength, Wisdom and Charisma are irrelevant to my build the very thought of being A) physically weaker than linzi, B) dumber than valerie and C) a king who stutters and shit just drives me up the wall. So I tend to never drop stats at all and live with the consequences.

Sure thats nothing compared to the epic level fuckery that a build porn game based off 3.5 can let you do. There's probably a build out there of an angel child with demon blood and arcane/monk/aldori training. But there's this gulf of meaning between what different people call min-maxing.

Like, min-maxing means optmization of stats you know. Minimal int, maximum strength. Etc.

Since we're not talking about table top. The video game is much different, and allows far more lee way here. You are not punished for optimizing your stats, in order to make your character better at his or her job. Some people are just going to be better at certain stuff. It is not completely inane to optimize stats to reflect that.

>So I tend to never drop stats at all and live with the consequences.
You are not punished here for dumping stats. This isn't table top. Also, you get a total of 6 individuals of whom you have total and complete control of, unlike table top. You can always make one individual optimized to be a skill monkey, or to be good at certain skills.

>Sure thats nothing compared to the epic level fuckery that a build porn game based off 3.5 can let you do.
That reminds me. I need to replay NWN 2 at some point. I miss Mask of the Betrayer.

>There's probably a build out there of an angel child with demon blood and arcane/monk/aldori training
I consider that min maxing. One level monk/viv dips I'd classify as min maxing. Aasimar and Tiefling are also kind of min maxing too.

>Like, min-maxing means optmization of stats you know.
Meh. Min maxing carries such a negative connotation in table top and here in video games. Excuse me for saying optimizing. If you want to see min maxing take a look at Ineffect's absurd abominations that are builds.

 

[Delterius]

>So I tend to never drop stats at all and live with the consequences.
You are not punished here for dumping stats. This isn't table top.

No I mean.

Well.

I'm enough of an overthinking cunt that there's this nagging feeling eating away at my soul when my king has 7 charisma and is dumber than a doorbell. So I forego a +1 to attack or AC to avoid dump stating.

Its of course perfectly logical to optmize your stats. It just had occured to me that people don't speak the same language on it. Everyone can agre that Ineffect's builds are beyond absurd. But there's also the little things.

Hm...

No.

But.

Pretty buildings.

Think of the tourism bonus in the modern age.

 

[Pink Eye]

>So I tend to never drop stats at all and live with the consequences.
You are not punished here for dumping stats. This isn't table top.

No I mean.

Well.

I'm enough of an overthinking cunt that there's this nagging feeling eating away at my soul when my king has 7 charisma and is dumber than a doorbell. So I forego a +1 to attack or AC to avoid dump stating.

Its of course perfectly logical to optmize your stats. It just had occured to me that people don't speak the same language on it. Everyone can agre that Ineffect's builds are beyond absurd. But there's also the little things.

Hm...

No.

But.

Pretty buildings.

Think of the tourism bonus in the modern age.

>when my king has 7 charisma and is dumber than a doorbell
Understandable. However, you can always play with different classes. You're not limited with your options here. I played a Scaled Fist because I wanted a King that had a high CHA.

The problem with this game is that the combat is very punishing. There is far too many encounters. If you have a bad build, you are going to have a bad time, period. You NEED a main character that is competent in combat. Of course, you can always lower the difficulty to Story Mode, and roleplay. However, I like playing on Unfair, so no thanks.

 

[Delterius]

Oh yeah, I feel that challenging / challenging without stronger enemies is enough if you wanna 'rp' or try something that isn't particularly optimal. You just need to know the rules and how to inspect monsters to find out what their weaknesses are.

 

[Pink Eye]

Delterius here is my general stance on min maxing vs optimzation.
Optimization refers to making your character better at their job. Min maxing breaks your character's identity in favor of power. One level monk/ one level vivi dips/ 2 level paladin dips ---> are min maxing because they make no sense. I can't imagine someone being a fighter and a monk. It's stupid.

 

[Daidre]

Guess I am going to try that. What else can I do.

You need like 6-8 building for town upgrade, 2 regions with villages and nothing more (here I am sure). Trick is, buildings in blue special slots, like lighthouse or walls, are not counted for this total, so it may seem that it does not work.

 

[ArchAngel]

I think I fulfill all requirements for upgrading my capital to a town, but there is no related Project. I have 5 villages, and the capital has 6 buildings (currently building the 7th). Do I just have to be patient for the Project to come up? Or is there something more I have to do?

My other villages have 2-4 buildings each, if that makes any difference.

I think you will get the project only after you become a King.

As others have said, you're thinking of the city upgrade for your capital... the town upgrade comes a lot sooner.

And IIRC certain amount of buildings required for "town" upgrade. 8 buildings in each village should work like a charm.

In EACH village?! Can anyone confirm? That's a lot of BP to invest, if I am not sure. And it is certainly not what the loading screen advice states. (according to the loading screen, # of buildings in the rest of the villages should not be relevant. Not sure I trust it, though.)

I add buildings to every town just for the stat upgrades (leaving space for artisans), but per this steam post, I think you need 6 per town: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/2805074491021446106/

You need multiple regions under your control, each with their own settlement, and each of those settlements needs enough buildings. Then, the settlement upgrade project will pop up eventually in the kingdom screen.

IIRC you need 6 buildings in a settlement for it to count, and you can upgrade one type of settlement for every three others you have of the same tier - so you need four villages for a town, four towns for a city. Could be wrong with the specific here.

And he is talking about the City upgrade. He has 5 villages already, you get your town upgrade after you have capital +2 regions with villages. And next upgrade is City which you get after you become King (and I am not sure how many regions you need and if they need to also be upgraded into towns first).

 

[santino27]

I think I fulfill all requirements for upgrading my capital to a town, but there is no related Project. I have 5 villages, and the capital has 6 buildings (currently building the 7th). Do I just have to be patient for the Project to come up? Or is there something more I have to do?

My other villages have 2-4 buildings each, if that makes any difference.

I think you will get the project only after you become a King.

As others have said, you're thinking of the city upgrade for your capital... the town upgrade comes a lot sooner.

And IIRC certain amount of buildings required for "town" upgrade. 8 buildings in each village should work like a charm.

In EACH village?! Can anyone confirm? That's a lot of BP to invest, if I am not sure. And it is certainly not what the loading screen advice states. (according to the loading screen, # of buildings in the rest of the villages should not be relevant. Not sure I trust it, though.)

I add buildings to every town just for the stat upgrades (leaving space for artisans), but per this steam post, I think you need 6 per town: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/2805074491021446106/

You need multiple regions under your control, each with their own settlement, and each of those settlements needs enough buildings. Then, the settlement upgrade project will pop up eventually in the kingdom screen.

IIRC you need 6 buildings in a settlement for it to count, and you can upgrade one type of settlement for every three others you have of the same tier - so you need four villages for a town, four towns for a city. Could be wrong with the specific here.

And he is talking about the City upgrade. He has 5 villages already, you get your town upgrade after you have capital +2 regions with villages. And next upgrade is City which you get after you become King (and I am not sure how many regions you need and if they need to also be upgraded into towns first).

Perhaps I'm missing something, but he specifically says he is looking to upgrade his capital to a town and cannot currently do so.

BTW Trashos, I've found somewhat conflicting debate on the requirements... all say three regions, but one says you only need 6 buildings in the village you're upgrading (which it sounds like you qualify for), while the other says 6 in each village. YMMV, but I always build out my villages as well and have never had issues upgrading my capital from village to town.

 

[ArchAngel]

I think I fulfill all requirements for upgrading my capital to a town, but there is no related Project. I have 5 villages, and the capital has 6 buildings (currently building the 7th). Do I just have to be patient for the Project to come up? Or is there something more I have to do?

My other villages have 2-4 buildings each, if that makes any difference.

I think you will get the project only after you become a King.

As others have said, you're thinking of the city upgrade for your capital... the town upgrade comes a lot sooner.

And IIRC certain amount of buildings required for "town" upgrade. 8 buildings in each village should work like a charm.

In EACH village?! Can anyone confirm? That's a lot of BP to invest, if I am not sure. And it is certainly not what the loading screen advice states. (according to the loading screen, # of buildings in the rest of the villages should not be relevant. Not sure I trust it, though.)

I add buildings to every town just for the stat upgrades (leaving space for artisans), but per this steam post, I think you need 6 per town: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/2805074491021446106/

You need multiple regions under your control, each with their own settlement, and each of those settlements needs enough buildings. Then, the settlement upgrade project will pop up eventually in the kingdom screen.

IIRC you need 6 buildings in a settlement for it to count, and you can upgrade one type of settlement for every three others you have of the same tier - so you need four villages for a town, four towns for a city. Could be wrong with the specific here.

And he is talking about the City upgrade. He has 5 villages already, you get your town upgrade after you have capital +2 regions with villages. And next upgrade is City which you get after you become King (and I am not sure how many regions you need and if they need to also be upgraded into towns first).

Perhaps I'm missing something, but he specifically says he is looking to upgrade his capital to a town and cannot currently do so.

BTW Trashos, I've found somewhat conflicting debate on the requirements... all say three regions, but one says you only need 6 buildings in the village you're upgrading (which it sounds like you qualify for), while the other says 6 in each village. YMMV, but I always build out my villages as well and have never had issues upgrading my capital from village to town.

It is possible, I am just confused how he didn't upgrade it yet as that upgrade show up very early so I assume he is talking about city upgrade that does come about the time you got 5 regions with villages.

 

[Trashos]

Right, I said "city" at some point, but I should have said "town". My mistake. I am trying to upgrade the capital from a village to a town. I have not achieved any such upgrades yet.

If # of buildings in other villages does not matter, then maybe one of then buildings in the capital doesn't count. I am going to build another couple of buildings in the capital, and if that doesn't work then I am going to start building in 3 villages.

 

[panda]

And IIRC certain amount of buildings required for "town" upgrade. 8 buildings in each village should work like a charm.

In EACH village?! Can anyone confirm? That's a lot of BP to invest, if I am not sure. And it is certainly not what the loading screen advice states. (according to the loading screen, # of buildings in the rest of the villages should not be relevant. Not sure I trust it, though.)

Nah, i meant that while this may be not minimum requirment for upgrade, but if you are having troubles then just "build everything everywhere" and it'll work 200%.
Plus you'll need "towns" to ugrade capital to a "city", so you'll have to do it anyway at some point.

I'm not sure about

That's a lot of BP to invest

though, because IMO it is not. Sell all the junk and you'll have more than enough(much, MUCH MORE).

 

[ArchAngel]

Right, I said "city" at some point, but I should have said "town". My mistake. I am trying to upgrade the capital from a village to a town. I have not achieved any such upgrades yet.

If # of buildings in other villages does not matter, then maybe one of then buildings in the capital doesn't count. I am going to build another couple of buildings in the capital, and if that doesn't work then I am going to start building in 3 villages.

Ok, in that case it is like Daidre said. You need at least 6 buildings and colored buildings don't count in that number.

Also there is a project that costs some Bp and lasts 7 days to complete to do. After that project your capital gets upgraded automatically.

 

[Desiderius]

Pink Eye question aboot expectations and magic

would you consider dumpstatting to be 'min maxing'?

No. Optimizing one's stats is not the same as min maxing.

As I thought.

Like it might be silly but even if, say, my Strength, Wisdom and Charisma are irrelevant to my build the very thought of being A) physically weaker than linzi, B) dumber than valerie and C) a king who stutters and shit just drives me up the wall. So I tend to never drop stats at all and live with the consequences.

Sure thats nothing compared to the epic level fuckery that a build porn game based off 3.5 can let you do. There's probably a build out there of an angel child with demon blood and arcane/monk/aldori training. But there's this gulf of meaning between what different people call min-maxing.

Like, min-maxing means optmization of stats you know. Minimal int, maximum strength. Etc.

You don’t get enough points for dumpstating to be worth it, and every stat comes into play anyway on your MC. I like to spend all my one-point buys then go from there.

 

[Desiderius]

>So I tend to never drop stats at all and live with the consequences.
You are not punished here for dumping stats. This isn't table top.

No I mean.

Well.

I'm enough of an overthinking cunt that there's this nagging feeling eating away at my soul when my king has 7 charisma and is dumber than a doorbell. So I forego a +1 to attack or AC to avoid dump stating.

Its of course perfectly logical to optmize your stats. It just had occured to me that people don't speak the same language on it. Everyone can agre that Ineffect's builds are beyond absurd. But there's also the little things.

Hm...

No.

But.

Pretty buildings.

Think of the tourism bonus in the modern age.

>when my king has 7 charisma and is dumber than a doorbell
Understandable. However, you can always play with different classes. You're not limited with your options here. I played a Scaled Fist because I wanted a King that had a high CHA.

The problem with this game is that the combat is very punishing. There is far too many encounters. If you have a bad build, you are going to have a bad time, period. You NEED a main character that is competent in combat. Of course, you can always lower the difficulty to Story Mode, and roleplay. However, I like playing on Unfair, so no thanks.

Game gives out stats like candy though. It’s not worth stressing.

 

[Desiderius]

So I sided with Darvin and got his little town. I’d never sided with either before.

What does siding with Linxia and the Helldykes get you?

 

[Pink Eye]

>So I tend to never drop stats at all and live with the consequences.
You are not punished here for dumping stats. This isn't table top.

No I mean.

Well.

I'm enough of an overthinking cunt that there's this nagging feeling eating away at my soul when my king has 7 charisma and is dumber than a doorbell. So I forego a +1 to attack or AC to avoid dump stating.

Its of course perfectly logical to optmize your stats. It just had occured to me that people don't speak the same language on it. Everyone can agre that Ineffect's builds are beyond absurd. But there's also the little things.

Hm...

No.

But.

Pretty buildings.

Think of the tourism bonus in the modern age.

>when my king has 7 charisma and is dumber than a doorbell
Understandable. However, you can always play with different classes. You're not limited with your options here. I played a Scaled Fist because I wanted a King that had a high CHA.

The problem with this game is that the combat is very punishing. There is far too many encounters. If you have a bad build, you are going to have a bad time, period. You NEED a main character that is competent in combat. Of course, you can always lower the difficulty to Story Mode, and roleplay. However, I like playing on Unfair, so no thanks.

Game gives out stats like candy though. It’s not worth stressing.

>Game gives out stats like candy though. It’s not worth stressing.
Yeah, the game does suffer from some serious stat bloat in the late game. I forgot about that.

 

[Pink Eye]

So I sided with Darvin and got his little town. I’d never sided with either before.

What does siding with Linxia and the Helldykes get you?

A big pile of dicks, no joke. Linxia runs away proclaiming that her and her feeble Hellknights will set raze to your kingdom. I ended up butchering her after I sided with her.

 

[ga♥]

That quest sucks. Should have given an incentive as well for siding Linxia. Siding with Darvin you get LOT of loot, items you get by the merchants, and money. Also trading projects for the kingdom.

 

[Trashos]

Do we know if any of the writers is a Cervantes fan? I am kinda getting strong cervantian vibes from the concepts in this game, but maybe I am just imagining it.

 

[Desiderius]

Do we know if any of the writers is a Cervantes fan? I am kinda getting strong cervantian vibes from the concepts in this game, but maybe I am just imagining it.

We live in a Quixotic Age, so everything tends that direction.

 

[Desiderius]

Re: Pounce and Destructive Aura

So this is lvl 14 Amiri's first fight after putting together the pieces of the Armag Relic Hide Armor and turning herself into a Smilodon:

As you can see, the Cyclops rolls an 18 but doesn't get a turn. That's what Pounce does. The six extra damage on every hit (multiplied on crits) from Destructive Aura didn't hurt.

The next fight she charged into a group, got a kill, then sent everyone else scrambling with a Thugged up Dreadful Carnage. This is going to be fun.