Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Ramnozack]

I was under the impression the mod lets you add properties to existing weapons/armor, is that wrong?

Also has some properties that do not exist in base game and change game balance, like Celestial Armor?

Depends on the enchantment on the weapon/armor and if it's a 'standardized' enchantment or not. I generally don't add enchantments to existing weapons with 'special' enchants like Perfection, and if I do, I always take the existing enchantment as a +3 enhancement bonus.

So you can improve Perfection? I rest my case.

You can also turn on cheats and set the game to story mode. Or use broken non-PNP compliant magus weapon enchanting which apparently gives you a 'bane-all' ability that trivializes the inquisitors ability.

 

[Ramnozack]

Every mod that changes gameplay or items changes the balance as well. Even some QoL mods do change the balance. The question is what kind of balance change is toperated by a player.

And here lies the chasm.

The argument was that Spellstrike is all that matters on SwordSaint which not only completely misses the point of the class, it misses the point of the game (massive multidimensionality/nonlinearity).

That sort of thing is usually the result of a mod breaking said game so severely as to trivialize it or essential aspects of it.

If there were a real trade-off for weapon crafting, then weapon enchanting would in fact matter for Magi/Pals/Inquisitors, as it in fact does unmodded.

Thats only your argument, bud. I've said multiple times that the accuracy boosting abilities of the SS are one of the main advantages over EK. And the fact you keep spewing how basic PNP crafting is somehow 'game breaking' shows your lack of understanding of the core systems of pathfinder.

I’m quoting your own words.

Accuracy boosting is trivial compared to Enduring Axiomatic, Keen and the like.

Keep digging.

You're literally not quoting my words. You didn't quote any of my posts. Work on that reading comprehension. And nice to see you keep bringing up the same old tired broken magus enchanting argument that I've put down multiple times now.

 

[LannTheStupid]

basic PNP crafting

You do understand that this is a computer game we're talking about, right?

 

[Ramnozack]

basic PNP crafting

You do understand that this is a computer game we're talking about, right?

You do realize that this is a game based on PNP pathfinder, right?

 

[Trashos]

I am not looking to date her, I am looking for companions I can relate to. And I am given a bunch of strong wymyn, lesbians, and horny bisexual ogres.

How does reliability depend on sexual orientation?

Relatability, not reliability.

On the other hand, now I understand why there are less and less straight white men in games.

Please, enlighten us.

 

[Desiderius]

Spellstrike/spell combat is about the only thing that actually matters. Magus weapon enchanting is made superfluous by the craft magic items mod

No one should be ashamed to admit they are wrong, which is but saying, in other words, that they are wiser today than they were yesterday.

- Pope

 

[Trashos]

Merciless rulers do not inspire Loyalty in their peeps. Sublime game design.

I showed plenty of mercy when Linzi stole (although it doesn't necessarily mean that I am going to show this mercy again in the future -I was with 2 minds). Mercy is good. But not limitless.

 

[Ramnozack]

Spellstrike/spell combat is about the only thing that actually matters. Magus weapon enchanting is made superfluous by the craft magic items mod

No one should be ashamed to admit they are wrong, which is but saying, in other words, that they are wiser today than they were yesterday.

- Pope

Here's the whole post.

Spellstrike/spell combat is about the only thing that actually matters. Magus weapon enchanting is made superfluous by the craft magic items mod, full plate doesn't matter at all, bracers are just as good. Only other thing apart from spellstrike/spell combat (and you are restricted to using one handed melee weapons if you want to make use of that) is the dimension strike type abilities, which imo are nowhere near as powerful or useful as 7-9 spells.

You work for CNN by any chance, big boy?

 

[LannTheStupid]

You do realize that this is a game based on PNP pathfinder, right?

So what? There are CRPG's based on some versions of D&D system, on SPECIAL (or GURPS) system, on original systems. None of the computer games implement the underlying system to the letter. Why is Pathfinder system such an exception that table top players keep harping about its incompete implementation?

Please, enlighten us.

Until opinions such as yours exist, the population needs to be mercilessly conditioned. It is possible; China and Russia are good examples. Now it's American's turn.

 

[Desiderius]

Spellstrike/spell combat is about the only thing that actually matters. Magus weapon enchanting is made superfluous by the craft magic items mod

No one should be ashamed to admit they are wrong, which is but saying, in other words, that they are wiser today than they were yesterday.

- Pope

Here's the whole post.

Spellstrike/spell combat is about the only thing that actually matters. Magus weapon enchanting is made superfluous by the craft magic items mod, full plate doesn't matter at all, bracers are just as good. Only other thing apart from spellstrike/spell combat (and you are restricted to using one handed melee weapons if you want to make use of that) is the dimension strike type abilities, which imo are nowhere near as powerful or useful as 7-9 spells.

You work for CNN by any chance, big boy?

Yes, and the Dimension Strike abilities are distinct from the Weapon Enchant abilities, which is why you distinguished the two. The Weapon Enchanting is the thing the mod breaks, unless there are meaningful costs in the mod, which would refute your original argument.

Sacrificing one’s credibility in a mad effort to save face by denying being wrong is exactly CNN’s game.

 

[Ramnozack]

Spellstrike/spell combat is about the only thing that actually matters. Magus weapon enchanting is made superfluous by the craft magic items mod

No one should be ashamed to admit they are wrong, which is but saying, in other words, that they are wiser today than they were yesterday.

- Pope

Here's the whole post.

Spellstrike/spell combat is about the only thing that actually matters. Magus weapon enchanting is made superfluous by the craft magic items mod, full plate doesn't matter at all, bracers are just as good. Only other thing apart from spellstrike/spell combat (and you are restricted to using one handed melee weapons if you want to make use of that) is the dimension strike type abilities, which imo are nowhere near as powerful or useful as 7-9 spells.

You work for CNN by any chance, big boy?

Yes, and the Dimension Strike abilities are distinct from the Weapon Enchant abilities, which is why you distinguished the two. The Weapon Enchanting is the thing the mod breaks, unless there are meaningful costs in the mod, which would refute your original argument.

Sacrificing one’s credibility in a mad effort to save face by denying being wrong is exactly CNN’s game.

You just said my only argument was that spell combat/spellstrike was the only thing that matter. You just did your little CNN routine to try to 'prove' to me how that was so. I point out how you are lying and now your whining about weapon enchanting again. Jesus Christ I'm arguing with an autist.

 

[Desiderius]

Until opinions such as yours exist, the population needs to be mercilessly conditioned. It is possible; China and Russia are good examples. Now it's American's turn.

Here’s the Evil your mercilessness buys you, Trashos. QED. The limit is Repentance and Humility, which Tristian demonstrates in spades given the opportunity.

 

[Desiderius]

You just said my only argument was that spell combat/spellstrike was the only thing that matter. You just did your little CNN routine to try to 'prove' to me how that was so. I point out how you are lying and now your whining about weapon enchanting again. Jesus Christ I'm arguing with an autist.

Dimension Strike is not Weapon Enchanting. Weapon Enchanting works with Enduring Enchant. Dimension Strike doesn’t.

You said about only, which I mischaracterized as only. The referent of that "about" was Dimension Strike, not Weapon Enchanting, which is the point in question.

I was wrong to do so I'll remove that comment. It was not a lie, as it was unintentional in that it has no effect on the points in question, which are:

(1) SS offers a panoply of abilities that EK lacks. It is the genius of the game that these abilities do in fact matter and materially distinguish the classes. No one is arguing the power of high level Arcane Spells.

(2) If the Crafting mod makes Weapon Enchanting superfluous then it is gamebreaking. If it isn't gamebreaking (say because there are material costs/tradeoffs involved to crafting) then SS Weapon Enchanting (not Dimension Strike which is one round only, while Enchants can last min/lvl - you understood this distinction in your original argument but now choose to elide them) is not in fact superfluous. It's also available much earlier in the game.

 

[Ramnozack]

Ok, yeah, your just confused at this point. I'll leave you to it bud before we get sent to retardo land

 

[Trashos]

Desiderius , I am not merciless at all, I don't know why you got that idea. But when everyone deserves mercy, mercy is without value. I said that *traitors* don't deserve it, not everyone.

Until opinions such as yours exist, the population needs to be mercilessly conditioned. It is possible; China and Russia are good examples. Now it's American's turn.

How very... inclusive. Good luck with it.

 

[Desiderius]

Desiderius , I am not merciless at all, I don't know why you got that idea. But when everyone deserves mercy, mercy is without value. I said that *traitors* don't deserve it, not everyone.

Linzi thinks he's a traitor. That doesn't make him one. Road to Damascus, Blinded by the Light.

 

[janjetina]

Mercy is for the contrite.

 

[Desiderius]

Ok, yeah, your just confused at this point. I'll leave you to it bud before we get sent to retardo land

You can attempt to save face by pretending that I'm retarded or whatever, but the only one you're fooling is yourself, and you're no fool. You deserve better.

 

[Desiderius]

Mercy is for the contrite.

All you need to do is give him (or the First Faithful) the opportunity to repent and he will.

 

[Ramnozack]

Ok, yeah, your just confused at this point. I'll leave you to it bud before we get sent to retardo land

You can attempt to save face by pretending that I'm retarded or whatever, but the only one you're fooling is yourself, and you're no fool. You deserve better.

You are making no sense. That is why I'm leaving, you seem desperate to drop the fact your tried to CNN me and then right after that you move onto some weird argument about how dimension strike isn't weapon enchanting or some stupid shit that no one even brought up and isn't relevant to the conversation.

 

[Desiderius]

Ok, yeah, your just confused at this point. I'll leave you to it bud before we get sent to retardo land

You can attempt to save face by pretending that I'm retarded or whatever, but the only one you're fooling is yourself, and you're no fool. You deserve better.

You are making no sense. That is why I'm leaving, you seem desperate to drop the fact your tried to CNN me and then right after that you move onto some weird argument about how dimension strike isn't weapon enchanting or some stupid shit that no one even brought up and isn't relevant to the conversation.

You brought it up.

You said Dimension Strike mattered but Weapon Enchanting didn't since your mod makes it superfluous.

 

[Ramnozack]

Ok, yeah, your just confused at this point. I'll leave you to it bud before we get sent to retardo land

You can attempt to save face by pretending that I'm retarded or whatever, but the only one you're fooling is yourself, and you're no fool. You deserve better.

You are making no sense. That is why I'm leaving, you seem desperate to drop the fact your tried to CNN me and then right after that you move onto some weird argument about how dimension strike isn't weapon enchanting or some stupid shit that no one even brought up and isn't relevant to the conversation.

You brought it up.

You said Dimension Strike mattered but Weapon Enchanting didn't since your mod makes it superfluous.

I didn't.

I said, quite simply, that Magus weapon enchanting didn't matter, because with PNP crafting you can get the same effects but permanent and without having to use a per-rest resource on it (not to mention Magus enchanting in this game is broken and OP and non-PNP compliant with this supposed 'bane-all' enchant and that Haplo says it doesn't adhere to the +5 enhancement limit). I also said, that alongside Spell combat/spell strike, the only important thing SS has over EK is the dimension strike type accuracy enhancing abilities that use Arcane pool. I don't know why you seem to not understand this argument as I believe I have laid it all out quite clearly.

 

[Trashos]

Linzi thinks he's a traitor. That doesn't make him one.

I am not listening to Linzi. Tristian is a traitor, if I ever saw one. Backstabbed me to serve his own personal interests. Maybe he can be better if he gets a second chance, but I am not role-playing a teacher. He crossed the line.

 

[LannTheStupid]

non-PNP compliant

This is the most invalid argument about a computer game I have ever seen.

 

[Desiderius]

Ok, yeah, your just confused at this point. I'll leave you to it bud before we get sent to retardo land

You can attempt to save face by pretending that I'm retarded or whatever, but the only one you're fooling is yourself, and you're no fool. You deserve better.

You are making no sense. That is why I'm leaving, you seem desperate to drop the fact your tried to CNN me and then right after that you move onto some weird argument about how dimension strike isn't weapon enchanting or some stupid shit that no one even brought up and isn't relevant to the conversation.

You brought it up.

You said Dimension Strike mattered but Weapon Enchanting didn't since your mod makes it superfluous.

I didn't. I said, quite simply, that Magus weapon enchanting didn't matter, because with PNP crafting you can get the same effects but permanent and without having to use a per-rest resource on it (not to mention Magus enchanting in this game is broken and OP and non-PNP compliant). I also said, that alongside Spell combat/spell strike, the only important thing SS has over EK is the dimension strike type accuracy enhancing abilities that use Arcane pool. I don't know why you seem to not understand this argument as I believe I have laid it all out quite clearly.

Of course I understand it - it’s the exact argument we’re contesting and/or proves your mod is game breaking.

(1) The other abilities matter (a lot). The “about” that you’re worried about is immaterial. I don’t even use the accuracy abilities - don’t need them

(2) Either there is a significant cost/limitation associated with crafting, in which case Enchanting (a major mechanic across several classes - Pal gets min/lvl for free) is not superfluous after all, or your mod is in fact gamebreaking. You can’t have it both ways.

SS is itself gamebreaking, as proven by the best player here, Haplo. If you don’t understand why maybe give it a whirl.