Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Pink Eye]

I just want to clarify here, I don't use mods. Daidre might be right. Not sure to be honest. I don't play spellcasters...

 

[Haplo]

Don't use Hellfire Ray much, at that level I'm mostly switching to aoe Surprise Spells. But I'm pretty sure I was getting sneak attacks on all 3 Scorching Ray procs.

Maybe it also has something to do with the application of AT Impromptu Sneak Attack.

 

[Pink Eye]

Oi lads, take a gander at this. The game has somehow duplicated my save files. If I try to delete one of them, it results in me corrupting my save file. However, rest assured it's just a minor UI bug. It goes away after a while. I wonder what happened if I choose to reload from the second one, instead of the first one.

 

[Haplo]

It's on now:
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Ekun packing Heat:
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Looks like I forgot to turn on Bane Weapon. Here he is with it on:

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Tristian Lands a Curse (extremely lucky to do so):
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And finishes the bastard off, with help from Linzi's Dispel, Greater:
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Perfection is nice and all, but he's now on Incorruptible Petal with LP. Next level is Frightful Aspect.

Another look at the Dead Body:
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Good job!
That's one mean mofo.

Perhaps the first test if the party is end game worthy.

 

[ga♥]

The heart of Goodness is Mercy. Wouldn't be very Merciful or Loyal (he's your best Councillor) to not give him a chance to explain himself. You'd do well to hang on to him - his endgame abilities are pretty nice.

I am not sure if you are multiclassing him someway, but keeping him as it is, pre-EE at the HATEOT he was basically useless.

 

[Trashos]

RE "citation needed" for Linzi being a lesbian. During the barbarian invasion event (the one right after Vordakai's Tomb, with Amiri), Linzi is hinting (very-very strongly) in the journal that she is falling in love with Amiri.

 

[Daidre]

RE "citation needed" for Linzi being a lesbian. During the barbarian invasion event (the one right after Vordakai's Tomb, with Amiri), Linzi is hinting (very-very strongly) in the journal that she is falling in love with Amiri.

And you noticed it just now? Linzi was falling over her head when complimenting Valerie from the first book event where you meet her in prologue.

 

[Trashos]

just go to the Tournament event as soon as it starts or you may miss it

What tournament event, you mean the Jubilost quest?

 

[Daidre]

What tournament event, you mean the Jubilost quest?

Chapter after barbarians, it kinda spoiler.

 

[Trashos]

The heart of Goodness is Mercy. Wouldn't be very Merciful or Loyal (he's your best Councillor) to not give him a chance to explain himself. You'd do well to hang on to him - his endgame abilities are pretty nice.

I have that old lady Shandra (the envoy) as a Councilor, and she is great. Well, she was great before she left to visit her higher ups. I don't know whether she will return.

While I am playing a Lawful Good character in this playthrough... Traitors are not forgiven. They are made examples to avoid. It is good for the barony's morale too.

 

[LannTheStupid]

enough to almost always go first or close to it

Which is most important with the turn-base mod.

Why enchant your weapon for a few minutes using a per-rest resource when you can simply enchant it with the same effects permanently?

Which is possible only with the Eldritch Arcana mod.

So what you're saying is "Eldritch Knight is better than Magus for a modded playthrough". Thank you very much for this insight.

 

[Haplo]

Correction: Craft Items mod. One is adding missing feats, spells and traits and has the potential to slightly shift the class and race balance, I guess.
The other... is also adding missing PnP functionality, I suppose, but also has the potential to make the entire itemization game layer meaningless.

 

[Yosharian]

Correction: Craft Items mod. One is adding missing feats, spells and traits and has the potential to slightly shift the class and race balance, I guess.
The other... is also adding missing PnP functionality, I suppose, but also has the potential to make the entire itemization game layer meaningless.

Is that really the case, though? You keep saying that, but from what I'm reading on the Craft Magic Items mod's description page, it only gives you certain recipes. Certainly not enough recipes to rival the variety of magic items that you can find in the base game, and not nearly as powerful as the most powerful items. You can't craft anything near as powerful as Ovinrbane, for example.

 

[LannTheStupid]

I am not looking to date her, I am looking for companions I can relate to. And I am given a bunch of strong wymyn, lesbians, and horny bisexual ogres.

How does reliability depend on sexual orientation?
On the other hand, now I understand why there are less and less straight white men in games.

 

[Ramnozack]

Correction: Craft Items mod. One is adding missing feats, spells and traits and has the potential to slightly shift the class and race balance, I guess.
The other... is also adding missing PnP functionality, I suppose, but also has the potential to make the entire itemization game layer meaningless.

Is that really the case, though? You keep saying that, but from what I'm reading on the Craft Magic Items mod's description page, it only gives you certain recipes. Certainly not enough recipes to rival the variety of magic items that you can find in the base game, and not nearly as powerful as the most powerful items. You can't craft anything near as powerful as Ovinrbane, for example.

Of course it doesn’t, it only gives you ‘generic’ enchantments, many unique items are better than anything you can craft. Don’t know why Haplo is complaining about weapon enchanting from this mod when the magic weapon enchanting for magus in this game doesn’t even follow pnp rules.

 

[Haplo]

I was under the impression the mod lets you add properties to existing weapons/armor, is that wrong?
If not, are some of the strongest mods, like increased crit multiplier or wider threat range available?

Also I believe it has some properties that do not exist in base game and change game balance, like Celestial Armor?

Let's take Large Bastard Sword template for example. It's the most damaging weapon, but existing variants don't really have strong damaging mods.
Graveyard of Giants has Greater Frost... which everyone and their mother resist at this stage.
Ovinrbaane if very flavorful, but does not have best direct damaging mods.

With Craft Items you could change this weapon category into unparalleled damage dealers dream.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Every mod that changes gameplay or items changes the balance as well. Even some QoL mods do change the balance. The question is what kind of balance change is toperated by a player.

And here lies the chasm.

 

[Ramnozack]

I was under the impression the mod lets you add properties to existing weapons/armor, is that wrong?

Also has some properties that do not exist in base game and change game balance, like Celestial Armor?

Don't see any 'celestial armor' in the craft magic items menu. Don't know of any other effects that are not in the game to begin with either, so no. No increase crit modifier, only enchantment that affects crit is keen and its only for bladed weapons.

Depends on the enchantment on the weapon/armor and if it's a 'standardized' enchantment or not. I generally don't add enchantments to existing weapons with 'special' enchants like Perfection, and if I do, I always take the existing enchantment as a +3 enhancement bonus.

 

[Desiderius]

RE "citation needed" for Linzi being a lesbian. During the barbarian invasion event (the one right after Vordakai's Tomb, with Amiri), Linzi is hinting (very-very strongly) in the journal that she is falling in love with Amiri.

Linzi is a kid (cf Tolkien hobbits). Girlish admiration, however foolish, DNE lesbo. Undue sexualization is the Poz’s game, not ours.

 

[Desiderius]

The heart of Goodness is Mercy. Wouldn't be very Merciful or Loyal (he's your best Councillor) to not give him a chance to explain himself. You'd do well to hang on to him - his endgame abilities are pretty nice.

I have that old lady Shandra (the envoy) as a Councilor, and she is great. Well, she was great before she left to visit her higher ups. I don't know whether she will return.

While I am playing a Lawful Good character in this playthrough... Traitors are not forgiven. They are made examples to avoid. It is good for the barony's morale too.

You’re doing it wrong, Pharisee style. And it will be precisely bad for the Barony’s morale if you don’t figure out how to get Shandra back, and you’ll deserve it.

Merciless rulers do not inspire Loyalty in their peeps. Sublime game design.

 

[Zero Credibility]

So I've been playing the enhanced version of the game on and off for a while now, when I find the time to do so. And I just realized they patched out the way to save both Kesten and Jhod for non-lawful PC. I really, really hate those moments in a D&D game where an NPC bites it, and you can only stand there with your dick in your hand instead of healing or resurrecting them on the spot. That shit was stupid in NWN2 OC and it is stupid here. Fuck, I could kill them only to raise them back 10 times over, if only the game would let me.

I guess Kesten is not long for this world then. Bloody gung-ho suicidal fool, never following orders like he should.

 

[Ramnozack]

Every mod that changes gameplay or items changes the balance as well. Even some QoL mods do change the balance. The question is what kind of balance change is toperated by a player.

And here lies the chasm.

The argument was that Spellstrike is all that matters on SwordSaint which not only completely misses the point of the class, it misses the point of the game (massive multidimensionality/nonlinearity).

That sort of thing is usually the result of a mod breaking said game so severely as to trivialize it or essential aspects of it.

If there were a real trade-off for weapon crafting, then weapon enchanting would in fact matter for Magi/Pals/Inquisitors, as it in fact does unmodded.

Thats only your argument, bud. I've said multiple times that the accuracy boosting abilities of the SS are one of the main advantages over EK. And the fact you keep spewing how basic PNP crafting is somehow 'game breaking' shows your lack of understanding of the core systems of pathfinder.

 

[Desiderius]

I am not looking to date her, I am looking for companions I can relate to. And I am given a bunch of strong wymyn, lesbians, and horny bisexual ogres.

How does reliability depend on sexual orientation?
On the other hand, now I understand why there are less and less straight white men in games.

The answer to your question is taboo. Where you put your taboos is a reflection of what you value. If it’s truth, you don’t put one there.

 

[Haplo]

I was under the impression the mod lets you add properties to existing weapons/armor, is that wrong?

Also has some properties that do not exist in base game and change game balance, like Celestial Armor?

Depends on the enchantment on the weapon/armor and if it's a 'standardized' enchantment or not. I generally don't add enchantments to existing weapons with 'special' enchants like Perfection, and if I do, I always take the existing enchantment as a +3 enhancement bonus.

So you can improve Perfection? I rest my case.

 

[Desiderius]

Thats only your argument, bud. I've said multiple times that the accuracy boosting abilities of the SS are one of the main advantages over EK. And the fact you keep spewing how basic PNP crafting is somehow 'game breaking' shows your lack of understanding of the core systems of pathfinder.

I’m quoting your own words.

Accuracy boosting is trivial compared to Enduring Axiomatic, Keen and the like.

Keep digging.