Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Pink Eye]

LOOOOL! I severely underestimated Wild Hunt Monarchs! On Unfair they're complete push overs, however they are much stronger in the DLC dungeon. Bwahahah. Oi Dwarner take a look, your hospitaler paladin did the most damage. Alright, I'm feeling a crusader, or maybe that arcane trickster that one guy shared from earlier. Hmm choices, choices, CHOICES!

 

[Pink Eye]

Actually. I think I'm going to see how hard I can min max my monk build. I have an idea for a build I was planning to use for Unfair Iron man mode, but ended up scraping it, because Iron Man burned me out. In the DLC dungeon you gain so much experience, it's crazy. This might be a good time to test out that build, and see if it's up to snuff.

 

[Daidre]

The issue is that I have been railroaded by the game for too long now. There are all these things to do, but somehow the game chooses what I have to do next. For too long now.

Varnhold chapter, from the moment Region becomes available, gives 3-4 months before problems start to get serious and ~5-6 until game ending event. It is more than enough to do all available companion quests at this point - none of them takes more than 2-3 days of traveling, and explore all Varnhold region. With Aviary and teleport circle buildings in Silverlake Kingdom management is not an issue.

Anyway, all saved time from barbarians + Varnhold could be used after dealing with Armag. Next chapter is on calendar.

 

[panda]

Wasn't sneak attack changed in some patch so only first ray in multi ray spells gets sneak attack damage?!

What they fixed was the bugged part with sneak damage being applied for both fire and unholy component - for 6 times total.
Idk why they left multi ray sneak when even Paizo site tells it is a mistake.

 

[Pink Eye]

Wasn't sneak attack changed in some patch so only first ray in multi ray spells gets sneak attack damage?!

What they fixed was the bugged part with sneak damage being applied for both fire and unholy component - for 6 times total.
Idk why they left multi ray sneak when even Paizo site tells it is a mistake.

That's kind of funny.

 

[Daidre]

Idk why they left multi ray sneak when even Paizo site tells it is a mistake.

They patched out multi ray sneak long time ago. Only rare cases when I see sneak happen on 2+ rays is caused by Necklace of Double Crosses that still has incorrect description and adds +2d6 with everything against flat-footed targets.

 

[Pink Eye]

Idk why they left multi ray sneak when even Paizo site tells it is a mistake.

They patched out multi ray sneak long time ago. Only rare cases when I see sneak happen on 2+ rays is caused by Necklace of Double Crosses that still has incorrect description and adds +2d6 with everything against flat-footed targets.

Well I can't test this. If you die in the DLC dungeon, you lose your save file, and have to start all over again from floor 1.

 

[Daidre]

Well I can't test this. If you die in the DLC dungeon, you lose your save file, and have to start all over again from floor 1.

I tested it extensively after patch in January and payed attention in all subsequent runs. Multy-ray sneak is no longer a thing for 10 months.

 

[Pink Eye]

Well I can't test this. If you die in the DLC dungeon, you lose your save file, and have to start all over again from floor 1.

I tested it extensively after patch in January and payed attention in all subsequent runs. Multy-ray sneak is no longer a thing for 10 months.

I think I may need to update my game. Or, I am not understanding how hell rays work.

 

[Desiderius]

Finished with Tristian's case.

Spoiler

Well, Yoshimo Tristian is a traitor, and he is a cuck. I still forgave him, because this is my first playthrough and I don't want to have to deal with it without my most competent priest. In a way, his competence allowed him to live for now, which I can live with. In future playthroughs, once I have learnt to play without him, he will get what is his.

That said, the whole thing is not badly done. Quite a good character and story, if too much reminiscent of Yoshimo. Loved Tristian's crazy laughter(?) when he disappeared with the eye. Great work by the voice actor there.

The heart of Goodness is Mercy. Wouldn't be very Merciful or Loyal (he's your best Councillor) to not give him a chance to explain himself. You'd do well to hang on to him - his endgame abilities are pretty nice.

 

[panda]

Idk why they left multi ray sneak when even Paizo site tells it is a mistake.

They patched out multi ray sneak long time ago. Only rare cases when I see sneak happen on 2+ rays is caused by Necklace of Double Crosses that still has incorrect description and adds +2d6 with everything against flat-footed targets.

I tested it extensively after patch in January and payed attention in all subsequent runs. Multy-ray sneak is no longer a thing for 10 months.

Maybe it is bugged not only for Necklace of Double Crosses but for AT too then, because i just checked to be 100% sure and my char applies sneak bonus on each ray.
I'm to lazy to make new screenshot, so here is one from few pages ago:

As you can see bonus dmg goes to each fire ray, but not unholy one.

 

[Desiderius]

It's on now:

Ekun packing Heat:

Looks like I forgot to turn on Bane Weapon. Here he is with it on:


Tristian Lands a Curse (extremely lucky to do so):

And finishes the bastard off, with help from Linzi's Dispel, Greater:

Perfection is nice and all, but he's now on Incorruptible Petal with LP. Next level is Frightful Aspect.

Another look at the Dead Body:

 

[Desiderius]

Linzi OP:

 

[Daidre]

Idk why they left multi ray sneak when even Paizo site tells it is a mistake.

They patched out multi ray sneak long time ago. Only rare cases when I see sneak happen on 2+ rays is caused by Necklace of Double Crosses that still has incorrect description and adds +2d6 with everything against flat-footed targets.

I tested it extensively after patch in January and payed attention in all subsequent runs. Multy-ray sneak is no longer a thing for 10 months.

Maybe it is bugged not only for Necklace of Double Crosses but for AT too then, because i just checked to be 100% sure and my char applies sneak bonus on each ray.
I'm to lazy to make new screenshot, so here is one from few pages ago:

As you can see bonus dmg goes to each fire ray, but not unholy one.

I checked Scorching Ray:

And my attempts at Hellfire Ray gave sneak on 2 Fire components from 3 Fire + 3 Unholy.

It seems that hits that land after target already dead register as illegal sneak. So multi ray sneak is rather fixed that not. More or less. Like everything in P:K...

 

[Desiderius]

Looks like dead target was only one that was flat-footed.

 

[Haplo]

Idk why they left multi ray sneak when even Paizo site tells it is a mistake.

They patched out multi ray sneak long time ago. Only rare cases when I see sneak happen on 2+ rays is caused by Necklace of Double Crosses that still has incorrect description and adds +2d6 with everything against flat-footed targets.

I tested it extensively after patch in January and payed attention in all subsequent runs. Multy-ray sneak is no longer a thing for 10 months.

Maybe it is bugged not only for Necklace of Double Crosses but for AT too then, because i just checked to be 100% sure and my char applies sneak bonus on each ray.
I'm to lazy to make new screenshot, so here is one from few pages ago:

As you can see bonus dmg goes to each fire ray, but not unholy one.

I checked Scorching Ray:

And my attempts at Hellfire Ray gave sneak on 2 Fire components from 3 Fire + 3 Unholy.

It seems that hits that land after target already dead register as illegal sneak. So multi ray sneak is rather fixed that not. More or less. Like everything in P:K...

Multi-ray sneaks were also a thing in my games. Perhaps some mod is causing that behavior?

 

[Haplo]

Do I have time to rank up, explore the Varnhold region, and do companion quests or is this Barbarian Leader thing on a hidden timer?

You should try to find the Barbarian leader within 1 month. Although I guess it's not the end of the world if you don't.

After you do that, you will have more time to do stuff (just go to the Tournament event as soon as it starts or you may miss it).

 

[Daidre]

Multi-ray sneaks were also a thing in my games. Perhaps some mod is causing that behavior?

I switched off UMM completely to check:

Spoiler

It is one sneak per cast. Old save from beta without any mods.

 

[Haplo]

It is a tiny difference. On average 1 damage more. And in endgame it comes down to if you want to do x3 crit instead of x2 or do 5d6 additional lighting damage when you crit.

With LP it's the difference between 2d6 and 3d6 base damage (also multiplied on crits). Bear scimitar also has 1 less enchantment.
5d6 lighting damage is 17,5 average, subject to electric resist and I think it also offers a save that all end game enemies will pass. A lot have Evasion too.
Sounds cool, but It's small change in practice.

x3 crit damage is way stronger (extra like 40-60 damage on crit, no save, no resistance - even if enemy had DR it was applied already) and Blinding Light blinds also. Heck, even Bloodhound dueling sword is in practice much better then the Bear Scimitar (and available earlier).

Edit: Also unless you get lucky with artisan Divine Intervention, you find a +4 estoc before a +4 scimitar (beginning of Act 4 vs Act 5).

 

[Pink Eye]

So, this is the power of Eldritch Scoundrel, huh. I have the power, and the power is consuming me.

OK ok. Someone explain this screenshot to me. Hell rays, you get one sneak attack from the fire thingiy, then another sneak attack from the unholy part? Because in this screenshot I just shot one hell ray.

 

[Desiderius]

So, this is the power of Eldritch Scoundrel, huh. I have the power, and the power is consuming me.

OK ok. Someone explain this screenshot to me. Hell rays, you get one sneak attack from the fire thingiy, then another sneak attack from the unholy part? Because in this screenshot I just shot one hell ray.

I don’t cast many Rays but some dude on Steam was arguing with my Octavia Jav build saying all his Rays were still proccing. I’ll test tomorrow.

 

[Pink Eye]

Fugg. This magic stuff is actually pretty fooking complicated. Why can't it be as simple and straight forward as monk??

 

[Pink Eye]

So, this is the power of Eldritch Scoundrel, huh. I have the power, and the power is consuming me.

OK ok. Someone explain this screenshot to me. Hell rays, you get one sneak attack from the fire thingiy, then another sneak attack from the unholy part? Because in this screenshot I just shot one hell ray.

I don’t cast many Rays but some dude on Steam was arguing with my Octavia Jav build saying all his Rays were still proccing. I’ll test tomorrow.

K'. I would love to do some testing, but alas, the DLC dungeon deletes your save file if you die.

 

[panda]

Multi-ray sneaks were also a thing in my games. Perhaps some mod is causing that behavior?

Might be the case

 

[Daidre]

OK ok. Someone explain this screenshot to me. Hell rays, you get one sneak attack from the fire thingiy, then another sneak attack from the unholy part? Because in this screenshot I just shot one hell ray.

Most likely, Mandragora was dead at Ray number 2, so when last one went into its, technically corpse, it was "illegal" sneak.