Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Trashos]

All right, I found the 3rd key. Now that I know where all keys are, the good news is that all 3 keys can be had with very little fighting outside the boss battles.

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The trick is to use a stealthy scout, and scout the route ahead towards the next key. If the route involves tough non-boss battles, you switch realities and try again. If the route is still tough, you try a different entrance that leads there and repeat. I never had to fight any nereid or medusa. Just some ghost guards and mages. I did have to stealth by 4 mandragora swarms with my whole group, using potions of invisibility and vanish (stealth 50+ required, I think).

Also, all the mirrors are reachable using the same method. Not sure about the books, I didn't get them all.

 

[Desiderius]

Pathfinder Kingmaker: A game for fans of Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment, Miguel de Cervantes, and Alexander Pushkin.

(I am not well-versed in the ways of Pushkin myself, though)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Onegin

The four share a distinct similarity in tone.

Profound themes addressed with light-hearted mischievousness. Whereas the PoEs had banal themes addressed with undue gravity.

 

[Yosharian]

Riversong Amulet, anyone?

 

[Nano]

Riversong Amulet, anyone?

Most of the accessories in this game are meh compared to the Heart of Ira. With that thing you could take Jaethal with you to a tour of the entire Stolen Lands without ever needing to rest.

 

[Trashos]

Profound themes addressed with light-hearted mischievousness. Whereas the PoEs had banal themes addressed with undue gravity.

In theory, I liked the main themes in PoE. I think they could have led to something special in another timeline. Of course, they botched the execution, and the end result makes me look like a fool just for saying that.

Also, I think that Kingmaker and PoE share one major theme: Our attitude towards authority. See Durance, Pallegina, maybe Grieving Mother (I think GM took it upon herself to be the authority). See Valerie, Amiri, possibly Harrim. But I have yet a lot of work to do decoding Kingmaker, it has a lot to take in.

At any rate, I am going to make Haplo unhappy now, but I don't put PoE on the same tier as Kingmaker. PoE was a 7/10 game. Kingmaker is a 8.5-9/10 game. And this difference is expressed both in combat and in the execution on the narrative and themes.

Eg, I don't even like or regularly use Amiri, but the moment I saw her

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kneeling before my presumed grave

was such a punch in the face, that I had to step away from my computer and life in general for a while.

 

[Yosharian]

We must be playing different games, Amiri is so one-dimensional and boring to me.

 

[Trashos]

We must be playing different games, Amiri is so one-dimensional and boring to me.

She isn't. Pay attention next time you go and pick Amiri up at HATEOT. Look at what she is doing, listen to what Nyrissa is telling her. Amiri is deeply tormented. It is not worth arguing over, it all becomes clear at HATEOT. Just pay attention to it.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Jubilost is the best companion and this is not something that is allowed to be argued.

 

[Yosharian]

Jubilost is the best companion and this is not something that is allowed to be argued.

I like Jubilost.

 

[Desiderius]

Jubilost is the best companion and this is not something that is allowed to be argued.

Pretty philosemitic for a bunch of Russkies. I got addicted to handing out Shield spells alone. Curse Bombs were gravy.

 

[Desiderius]

We must be playing different games, Amiri is so one-dimensional and boring to me.

She isn't. Pay attention next time you go and pick Amiri up at HATEOT. Look at what she is doing, listen to what Nyrissa is telling her. Amiri is deeply tormented. It is not worth arguing over, it all becomes clear at HATEOT. Just pay attention to it.

She’s tormented in the tuskgutter dialogue. That’s what I meant about subverting the Poz.

 

[Nano]

Dunno about best, but Nok-Nok is definitely the funniest companion.

 

[Trashos]

She’s tormented in the tuskgutter dialogue. That’s what I meant about subverting the Poz.

Right, the cracks on her surface were there all along during her questline. I had noticed, but I wasn't paying much attention. The HATEOT scene blew me away. Probably the strongest moment in HATEOT for me, and I didn't even care for Amiri (plus, HATEOT doesn't lack strong moments). Well, I started caring right there and then. Excellent execution.

 

[Pink Eye]

God, I love Pathfinder. Great game, shitty fucking steam mods -_-

 

[Desiderius]

God, I love Pathfinder. Great game, shitty fucking steam mods -_-

Some new poster (but obviously not a noob to Pathfinder - butthurt PnP vets are the worst, but he may have just been curious) was (cluelessly) slagging on Bards without any facts, then told us to prove him wrong. I told him he hadn't earned imperative voice yet, half joking (since prove me wrong often isn't intended as a command). The intention was to get him to earn it by making some arguments/sharing some results/reading the fucking thread where I'd already posted six examples of how a Bard can contribute, all Unfair.

The mods thought I was cutting in on their territory. Which I have been for months, so whatevs. Was looking for an excuse to cut back anyway. Checked back today and Vic was trying to protest but everyone else was acting like I'm Ciaramella or something, so looks like I made the right call.

 

[Pink Eye]

I'll never forget when they banned Ineffct, it was kind of uncalled for :/

 

[Daidre]

I got my one and only 3-day-long steam forum ban for flinging poo at Deadfire of all things. And mod was nice enough to unban me day later after he sorted through a full-scale flame war that took place there.
Looking back, I could admit being rather childish and generally misbehaving in that one argument.

Anyway, I do not know how many CMs Kingmaker's forum has, but keeping it civil is such a hellish and thankless job that I do not want to insult people for doing it, including taking hits from a pissed-off players who encountered yet one another bug. Or, how it happens more often than not, encountered what they thought was a bug.

 

[Pink Eye]

Here's your citation: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/1642041106375216476/

I don't know what thread exactly that got him, but there you go. He was so upset with the mods, he had this to say on GoG:
"I will no longer do this because this good game has an unfortunate set of devs. Sorry. You can thank them for it. I will not delete what I've made, because I'm not 16 and some people might be inconvenienced by it. "

 

[Cryomancer]

Here's your citation: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/1642041106375216476/

I don't know what thread exactly that got him, but there you go. He was so upset with the mods, he had this to say on GoG:
"I will no longer do this because this good game has an unfortunate set of devs. Sorry. You can thank them for it. I will not delete what I've made, because I'm not 16 and some people might be inconvenienced by it. "

Why he was banned? I got banned by joking long time ago...

 

[Pink Eye]

At least we still have Haplo though. Don't leave us Haplo, we need you on steam.

 

[Yosharian]

You said it was uncalled for, your citation doesn't provide evidence of that

 

[Pink Eye]

God, I love Pathfinder. Great game, shitty fucking steam mods -_-

Some new poster (but obviously not a noob to Pathfinder - butthurt PnP vets are the worst, but he may have just been curious) was (cluelessly) slagging on Bards without any facts, then told us to prove him wrong. I told him he hadn't earned imperative voice yet, half joking (since prove me wrong often isn't intended as a command). The intention was to get him to earn it by making some arguments/sharing some results/reading the fucking thread where I'd already posted six examples of how a Bard can contribute, all Unfair.

The mods thought I was cutting in on their territory. Which I have been for months, so whatevs. Was looking for an excuse to cut back anyway. Checked back today and Vic was trying to protest but everyone else was acting like I'm Ciaramella or something, so looks like I made the right call.

I've just learned to keep my mouth shut. Most players who play the game, will only be playing on the lower difficulties, any shit build can work on the lower difficulties. People who need actual help with builds for the higher difficulties and unfair, can just learn the way I did. By spending a thousand hours in game and figuring out what works and doesn't. Or they can use the search function provided via steam forums.

 

[Pink Eye]

You said it was uncalled for, your citation doesn't provide evidence of that

Do you really think it's wise to drive away community contributors who help players by providing valuable input, which is basically free?

 

[Yosharian]

You said it was uncalled for, your citation doesn't provide evidence of that

Do you really think it's wise to drive away community contributors who help players by providing valuable input, which is basically free?

Changing the goalposts. Either he broke the forum rules or he didn't, whether or not his contributions had 'value' is completely irrelevant to that question.

 

[Pink Eye]

You said it was uncalled for, your citation doesn't provide evidence of that

Do you really think it's wise to drive away community contributors who help players by providing valuable input, which is basically free?

Changing the goalposts. Either he broke the forum rules or he didn't, whether or not his contributions had 'value' is completely irrelevant to that question.

It's relevant. The stupid rule for the forum is,"Be nice to each other". When discussing builds for unfair there is bound to be disagreements, and even, god forbid, arguments on what's viable and what isn't. That's just how it is. Sure, we can all be nice and show considerations for each others feelings, but that's not reality. Hardcore players are going to argue a lot, and debate, that's just the nature of it all. If you have a craptistic build, don't be surprised when people call your build crap.

Anyways, he got banned for some politics shit. Not really sure what thread got him in, been a real long time.