Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Daidre]

I don't know what thread exactly that got him, but there you go. He was so upset with the mods, he had this to say on GoG:

Hm, I checked Steam, InEffect is no longer banned there. Looks like he got classic temp ban to cool off a bit but was so offended by it as prominent community contributor that left Steam forum altogether.

IIRC we were both banned for the same flame war about Deadfire and agenda, but his "educational" suspend on posting was a week long, month max.

 

[Pink Eye]

I don't know what thread exactly that got him, but there you go. He was so upset with the mods, he had this to say on GoG:

Hm, I checked Steam, InEffect is no longer banned there. Looks like he got classic temp ban to cool off a bit but was so offended by it as prominent community contributor that left Steam forum altogether.

IIRC we were both banned for the same flame war about Deadfire, but his "educational" suspend on posting was a week long, month max.

Sounds about right, lol.

 

[Yosharian]

You said it was uncalled for, your citation doesn't provide evidence of that

Do you really think it's wise to drive away community contributors who help players by providing valuable input, which is basically free?

Changing the goalposts. Either he broke the forum rules or he didn't, whether or not his contributions had 'value' is completely irrelevant to that question.

It's relevant. The stupid rule for the forum is,"Be nice to each other". When discussing builds for unfair there is bound to be disagreements, and even, god forbid, arguments on what's viable and what isn't. That's just how it is. Sure, we can all be nice and show considerations for each others feelings, but that's not reality. Hardcore players are going to argue a lot, and debate, that's just the nature of it all. If you have a craptistic build, don't be surprised when people call your build crap.

Anyways, he got banned for some politics shit. Not really sure what thread got him in, been a real long time.

It's not a stupid rule for most forums, the Codex is not like normal forums you know? It's great that we can tell each other to go fuck ourselves in a variety of different ways here, but normal forums have to have rules, because they function as public discussion places for videogames and the developers of said videogames. 'Be nice to each other' is a really simply and easy to follow rule if you are a functioning member of society.

You said it yourself that you don't even know what he was banned for, yet you proclaim that it was 'uncalled for'. That's some weird-ass logic. "I don't know what he said, but I'm sure the ban was uncalled for!" WTF

 

[Yosharian]

I don't know what thread exactly that got him, but there you go. He was so upset with the mods, he had this to say on GoG:

Hm, I checked Steam, InEffect is no longer banned there. Looks like he got classic temp ban to cool off a bit but was so offended by it as prominent community contributor that left Steam forum altogether.

IIRC we were both banned for the same flame war about Deadfire and agenda, but his "educational" suspend on posting was a week long, month max.

He sounds like a giant douchebag.

 

[Pink Eye]

You said it was uncalled for, your citation doesn't provide evidence of that

Do you really think it's wise to drive away community contributors who help players by providing valuable input, which is basically free?

Changing the goalposts. Either he broke the forum rules or he didn't, whether or not his contributions had 'value' is completely irrelevant to that question.

It's relevant. The stupid rule for the forum is,"Be nice to each other". When discussing builds for unfair there is bound to be disagreements, and even, god forbid, arguments on what's viable and what isn't. That's just how it is. Sure, we can all be nice and show considerations for each others feelings, but that's not reality. Hardcore players are going to argue a lot, and debate, that's just the nature of it all. If you have a craptistic build, don't be surprised when people call your build crap.

Anyways, he got banned for some politics shit. Not really sure what thread got him in, been a real long time.

It's not a stupid rule for most forums, the Codex is not like normal forums you know? It's great that we can tell each other to go fuck ourselves in a variety of different ways here, but normal forums have to have rules, because they function as public discussion places for videogames and the developers of said videogames. 'Be nice to each other' is a really simply and easy to follow rule if you are a functioning member of society.

You said it yourself that you don't even know what he was banned for, yet you proclaim that it was 'uncalled for'. That's some weird-ass logic. "I don't know what he said, but I'm sure the ban was uncalled for!" WTF

Glad I'm here then, and not there on shitty steam. Fucking nazi mods. Gatekeepers of free speech. Janitors. Also, fuck you too pal

 

[Yosharian]

Glad I'm here then, and not there on shitty steam. Fucking nazi mods. Gatekeepers of free speech. Janitors. Also, fuck you too pal

 

[Cyberarmy]

Also, fuck you too pal

Ah, that's the spirit. Abyss claimed yet another one.

 

[Yosharian]

Well, I finally more-or-less finished my Not-A-Guide. Looking back on the way the builds started out, they've come a long way. I never intended to build a party that would abuse the shit out of Dazzling Display, but I fell to the Dark Side on that one.

Maybe one day Owlcat will finish patching the game, and I can begin an actual playthrough with these characters.

Next thing I might do is start looking at some interesting builds for the game's companions. I've put down some ideas. Not much to work with, with some of them.

 

[Haplo]

At least we still have Haplo though. Don't leave us Haplo, we need you on steam.

Thank you. However I'm nowhere near as active or helpful as Desiderius.
Or have any desire to be.

 

[Desiderius]

Well, I finally more-or-less finished my Not-A-Guide. Looking back on the way the builds started out, they've come a long way. I never intended to build a party that would abuse the shit out of Dazzling Display, but I fell to the Dark Side on that one.

Maybe one day Owlcat will finish patching the game, and I can begin an actual playthrough with these characters.

Next thing I might do is start looking at some interesting builds for the game's companions. I've put down some ideas. Not much to work with, with some of them.

They all have something to work with. More than some. Many in fact. The fun of the game is unlocking them.

 

[Desiderius]

InEffect is LN, I’m NG.

We both swung our dicks around. He did it because he’s a forceful advocate for his own views. I did it to counter bad attitudes/information that could undermine the health of the forum (like Daidre says, there were a lot of people blaming the game for their own shortcomings).

If mods understood power dynamics they wouldn’t be mods.

 

[Trashos]

On that Steam discussion, InEffect is called "bigoted", "chauvinist" etc-etc. Why isn't he on the Codex? We have free speech here.

 

[Daidre]

On that Steam discussion, InEffect is called "bigoted", "chauvinist" etc-etc. Why isn't he on the Codex? We have free speech here.

I half expected him to resurface here one day, but alas.

Maybe he likes to be coolest douche on the street but it is damn hard to win Codex competition in assholish-ness?

 

[Desiderius]

On that Steam discussion, InEffect is called "bigoted", "chauvinist" etc-etc. Why isn't he on the Codex? We have free speech here.

I half expected him to resurface here one day, but alas.

Maybe he likes to be coolest douche on the street but it is damn hard to win Codex competition in assholish-ness?

Yep. Georgie Porgie.

He’s got the GoG forum.

 

[Desiderius]

Nice is the wrong metric for a forum of men. Nice theory, wrong sex.

 

[Fedora Master]

Why are you people seriously posting on the Steam forums?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Nice is the wrong metric for a forum of men. Nice theory, wrong sex.

High T.

On a different note, would you lads say that the spinoff DLC and the dungeon one are worth getting?

 

[Desiderius]

Why are you people seriously posting on the Steam forums?

That attitude is how we lost our churches. Sinners and tax collectors, fucktard.

We cleaned up the place for awhile. Gotta build the playerbase somehow.

 

[Desiderius]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/2803982773102089626/?ctp=2#c1660068911655891893

Lol. The customer is always wrong. A generation of Sawyertards.

 

[Shadenuat]

On that Steam discussion, InEffect is called "bigoted", "chauvinist" etc-etc. Why isn't he on the Codex? We have free speech here.

I'd like to remind that person who called him that was banned not long after for it, and stormed to reddit furiously due to "too much biggotry from admins" etc

why is he not on the Dex; probably cause he's a GoG person and posts builds there.

 

[Desiderius]

Well, I finally more-or-less finished my Not-A-Guide. Looking back on the way the builds started out, they've come a long way. I never intended to build a party that would abuse the shit out of Dazzling Display, but I fell to the Dark Side on that one.

Maybe one day Owlcat will finish patching the game, and I can begin an actual playthrough with these characters.

Next thing I might do is start looking at some interesting builds for the game's companions. I've put down some ideas. Not much to work with, with some of them.

Who you having trouble with, Yosh?

 

[Efe]

i havent looked at his guides but wasnt ineffect called shit on this thread previously?
is he the guy that posts videos of him leveling toons in jamadi's mansion as "build guides"?

 

[Agesilaus]

Any big changes since whenever I last posted here? Not going to read thread, game was mediocre, just curious if it has new content or any major changes that would make it worth revisiting.

 

[Trashos]

So, I finished Chapter 6. I guess the game ended, but I am probably going to reload in order to see Chapter 7. My next playthrough is going to be a mage, and I 'd rather go through Ch 7 with my current Vivisectionist tank. Difficulty: Challenging, Normal Enemies, Normal Kingdom Management

OK, Kingmaker gets a 8.5-9/10 from me at this point. Essential game for anyone who is into this type of games. May change it to a straight 9 if it proves as replayable as it seems to be.

What it did well, in no particular order:

- Brought together BG, PST and a card game. Sounds like a recipe for disaster, but they made it work. It feels like a true spiritual successor to BG and PST.
- Immersion (Act 2 and on). Starts as generic fantasy, but gets gradually stronger, and by the end I feel like I just lived a second life.
- Challenge
- Combat. Lots of good fights.
- Deep themes, well-executed. Mostly subtle, so don't worry if you are not into this kind of stuff.
- Absolutely top-notch character development. Probably the best I have seen.
- Liked the kingdom management
- Prebuffing. Fuck you, prebuffing haters.
- C&C, usually.
- Puzzles, although some needed more work.
- Pathfinder system is rich and interesting.
- Build porn.
- Lots of strong moments.
- Personally, I liked the length of the game, until (and including) Ch 6 at least.
- Skills, skills checks. They matter.
- Music and the combat music. I really liked it. Pitax was a blast to go through for the music alone.
- Environmental clues for the trouble ahead. Good job.
- Very good dungeons
- Moment-to-moment writing was excellent.
- Good support for all different alignments.

What it could have done better:

- Lots of derivative characters. They all get an interesting take here, but I couldn't help by thinking "this one reminds me of Yoshimo, Durance etc". But maybe this is what a spiritual successor should do. At any rate, character development is simply great here, so no real complaints.
- By the end, the companions had grown on me. We have been through so much together. Adventures, fighting side by side, ruling a kingdom, getting to know what tormented each one of them. However, the initial state of the companions should have been closer to classic archetypes, and not contemporary ones. Valerie shouldn't have been the tank. I shouldn't be meeting all the SJW archetypes and strong wymyn at the beginning, and the cool dudes only in Act 2.
- I missed the BG2 mage duels. Other than that, the system and the classes are much more interesting than BG2 here.
- Kind of slow start, but I am beginning to believe that this was done on purpose, so that everyone can feel comfortable.
- The Nyrissa "romance" didn't work for me. She is actively trying to hurt me. In PST, *I* was the one who was hurting Deionarra. In Dead Money, Vera was hurting Sinclair, not me. The same concepts do not work as well for me when I am the one being hurt. I don't put up with such BS.
- Voice acting was mostly sub par. I did like some of the voices though.
- I had a lot of crashes, and sometimes loading problems when I quit game and then restarted (restarting Windows solves the latter, but still). Had to limit framerate externally to avoid heating issues on my laptop.
- Prebuffing, as much as I love it, works better when there are also downsides for each prebuff, so that prebuffs are not "always great".
- Some quests were too railroaded at times, like Valerie's ending quest only succeeding with certain choices. Don't do that. Respect my choices, give me my XP. Let me face the consequences at HATEOT.
- Lots of locations with just one enemy or fight. C' mon, guys.
- Most of the good fights are on the main path. I like it better when the best fights are side quests.
- More overlap needed between adventuring and kingdom management.


Favorite companions: Jubilost, Nok-Nok
Least favorite: Valerie
Best companion quests/arcs: Tristian, Amiri
Worst companion quest: Valerie's quest is too railroaded at the end. I am given a non-choice.
Favorite chapters: Pitax, HATEOT. That's.... Chapters 5 and 6! I loved HATEOT. Fight me.
Worst quest in the history of RPGs: the Hellknights one. Seriously, guys, that's not a RPG quest. Fucking fix it.

Needed QoL improvements: switch weapons button // access of action bars in capital // Don't touch my action bars when I choose manual handling

Themes I have noticed this far:
- Forgiveness (Tristian, Linzi, Octavia, Regongar, Nyrissa, the early antagonist)
- Attitude towards authority (Val, Amiri, Harrim, Swamp ghost village, maybe Nyrissa)
- What does one story matter (Linzi, Shaynih'a, Storyteller, Lantern King)

This is a classic. Congratulations to all involved. Now, fix the fucking technical issues and the Hellknights quest.

 

[Shadenuat]

I liked the length of the game, until (and including) Ch 6

well that makes one of us.

Environmental clues for the trouble ahead. Good job.

Now if only that actually worked on most players.