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What if Jaethal was a Sorcerer instead of an Inquisitor. I wonder if there's any game text that refers to her being an Inquisitor...
>I wonder if there's any game text that refers to her being an Inquisitor...
Wut... Now you're trolling. Her whole quest is about her being an inquisitor for Urgathoa...
I mean, her whole quest is about investigating, but is there anything that actually says she is an inquisitor? Any class can do investigations. Doesn't mean she has to be an inquisitor. But if it actually says inquisitor somewhere in the game then I'm not gonna consider changing her class.
 

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When first young Maro in his boundless mind
A work t' outlast immortal Rome design'd,
Perhaps he seem'd above the critic's law,
And but from Nature's fountains scorn'd to draw:
But when t' examine ev'ry part he came,
Nature and Homer were, he found, the same.
Convinc'd, amaz'd, he checks the bold design,
And rules as strict his labour'd work confine,
As if the Stagirite o'erlook'd each line.
Learn hence for ancient rules a just esteem;
To copy nature is to copy them.
 

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What if Jaethal was a Sorcerer instead of an Inquisitor. I wonder if there's any game text that refers to her being an Inquisitor...
>I wonder if there's any game text that refers to her being an Inquisitor...
Wut... Now you're trolling. Her whole quest is about her being an inquisitor for Urgathoa...
I mean, her whole quest is about investigating, but is there anything that actually says she is an inquisitor? Any class can do investigations. Doesn't mean she has to be an inquisitor. But if it actually says inquisitor somewhere in the game then I'm not gonna consider changing her class.
>but is there anything that actually says she is an inquisitor?
One of her dialogues. When talking to her she explains how she became undead. When she was exiled, she was murdered. When she awoke, she found a scythe. A voice whispered,"Rise Inquisitor". Her whole quest is all about the Urgathoa inquisition. Hell, even Jubilost makes a joke about it.
 

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People call this betrayal. What?

He can actually steal the Oculus and give it to Nyrissa if you failed to convince him, so yeah he can actually betray you hard.
Needs you to either not take him to Vordakai or taking him but being oblivious/evil on dialogue.

And his betrayal is more than just taking the Oculus.
1. He is set up to be the mole since the beginning.

2. He most likely spies on you.

3. He knows about the Bald Hilltop origin.

4. The biggest of all, he knows what the fuck the Bloom is. His indirect body count throughout The Bloom is the biggest of it all.
 

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Alright, different question. How do we feel about her alignment. Could she potentially be Lawful Evil? My gut reaction is no, because she kind of pursues power for her own benefit. Curious to what you guys think.
 

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Alright, different question. How do we feel about her alignment. Could she potentially be Lawful Evil? My gut reaction is no, because she kind of pursues power for her own benefit. Curious to what you guys think.
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You're going to mod her, aren't you? As if Tristian wasn't enough.
>Lawful Evil
Let me guess, you want lawful for monk dips....
 
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Alright, different question. How do we feel about her alignment. Could she potentially be Lawful Evil? My gut reaction is no, because she kind of pursues power for her own benefit. Curious to what you guys think.
I'd tend to agree, though you could also make a case that she could be LE given her status as an inquisitor devoted to an evil deity (i.e. lawful in regards to her adherence to the will of Urgathoa).
 

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Of course I'm going to mod her, and of course it's for a monk dip, lmao.

Alright, hold up right now. According to you guys, Legendary Proportions can't be cast on Jaethal cos she's undead. But LP also can't be cast on Outsiders, and Aasimar and Tieflings are both Outsiders, with the native subtype. Can LP be cast on them??

Edit: correction, Hambeard is going to mod her, after I pester him endlessly about it
 

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Alright, different question. How do we feel about her alignment. Could she potentially be Lawful Evil? My gut reaction is no, because she kind of pursues power for her own benefit. Curious to what you guys think.
I'd tend to agree, though you could also make a case that she could be LE given her status as an inquisitor devoted to an evil deity (i.e. lawful in regards to her adherence to the will of Urgathoa).
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Personal code sort of thing.
 

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Of course I'm going to mod her, and of course it's for a monk dip, lmao.

Alright, hold up right now. According to you guys, Legendary Proportions can't be cast on Jaethal cos she's undead. But LP also can't be cast on Outsiders, and Aasimar and Tieflings are both Outsiders, with the native subtype. Can LP be cast on them??
Shad! Oh merciful god! Expunge this sinful creature!
 

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It's only a tiny Monk dip...

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Alright I found the solution to all our Mirror Image problems. It's called Mirrored Belt and it lets you cast Mirror Image twice a day.
 

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Alright I found the solution to all our Mirror Image problems. It's called Mirrored Belt and it lets you cast Mirror Image twice a day.

Yes, already mentioned that. Artisan item.

Real pain to equip and re-equip all the time.
 
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Desiderius

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New plan for Undeath to Death:

Jester's Vest.jpg

Nuking the shit out of Ghosts. Linzi's Enchantment plan comes together. I don't think Undead Bloodline will do much since they're all immune to Mind-affecting, but Fey for another +2 to Compulsion could start to get interesting.
 

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Offing your family on a whim is against the Law in most locales.

Not if you God Law allows it

Lawful alignment isn't about the "local law" per se, but internalized code of conduct.

In case of Val its the local/civilized law

In case of Hellkngihts its Hellknight internal code

In case of Monk its self discipline
 

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1) What's the point of Ecclesitheurge then, if not to be able to cast non-Cleric spells? Access to a few cute domain spells and a small buff that requires a standard action and only lasts a turn unless you burn heals? In exchange for losing armor and Cleric weapons?

2) An Arcane Trickster doesn't have the ability to heal up your entire party after the fight. That's the point of Eccle - you get the offensive casting of a Wizard, with the crazy Channel healing that a Cleric gets. And you don't need fucking Selective Channel and Extra Channel to do that. Healing during fights is inefficient, but if it's really necessary the Cleric already has tools to do that in the shape of spontaneous casting, he doesn't need to burn feats to do it via Channel.

3) You can still dip to get stat boosts if you want. How does me giving Tristian a different domain stop you from a Cognatogen dip?

4) The way I've modified Tristian, you can still cast Archon's Aura... in fact, he's even better at it than he was before. This criticism makes zero sense. Archon's takes one action to cast, and you can even cast it just before a fight once you get high level enough. So it's not Archon's OR Fireballs, you can do both.

(1) In PnP it's probably a little more straightforward. You're intended to use your Blessing as your default action economy when not casting big spells. +2 Sacred (stacks with everything) to attacks/saves/AC turns out to be pretty freaking solid if applied strategically. The +2 is relatively less impressive given the higher stats in P:K, but it's still the equivalent of a Mutagen boost +3 on Saves. The Long version lasts throughout a battle by midgame, and you spend your Channels on it, making Extra Channel a better feat for Ecclesi than any other class.

The Domain spells are better than cute since you end up with clunker levels in all Domains, making choosing from five options both more likely to be good and more flexible. Also flexible: as a 3/4 class that gets fast progression to Divine Power, Eaglesoul, and Frightful Aspect you can also pivot into a very solid big Haplo bopper if the right weapon shows up from the artisans, as happened in this playthrough with Serpent Prince. Starting with Extend Metamagic helps a lot with those shorter duration self-buffs.

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2) There's already more than enough options for after fight healing, starting with a bazillion healing potions. Bards can heal by lvl 12. After fight healing is Cleric benefit number 4 or 5 in importance. Given Tristian's extra Channels (main use are for Long Blessings and frying Undead), it gives you a lot of resilience being able to fire one off mid-combat, so Selective Channeling is a solid choice for him where it wouldn't be for Harrim. The Spell Focus feats are extraordinarily weak - you can get a Rod that gives +3 DC and one of the benefits of nukes in the first place is that they don't absolutely have to beat saves every time to have a good effect.

3) Every level you splash hurts Spell Pen, Caster lvl, Domain abilities (Touch of Good obv, but so nice to have an always on Rez like high level Rebuke Death can be, and Holy Lance starts showing up vs. Devourers), casts, durations, BAB, what have you. Really think hard about opportunity costs.

4) They take up the same slots, although with Tristian's original build you can shift Aura to lvl 4 with Extend Metamagic, which is a good idea. There are still better Cleric spells at that level like Animate Dead and Magical Vestment, not to mention Delay Poison and Resist Energy.
 
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Desiderius

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Offing your family on a whim is against the Law in most locales.

Not if you God Law allows it

Lawful alignment isn't about the "local law" per se, but internalized code of conduct.

In case of Val its the local/civilized law

In case of Hellkngihts its Hellknight internal code

In case of Monk its self discipline

Yes, that was the joke. Obv violation of any coherent Natural Law. The most fundamental in fact, if you let her extend it to her own daughter.

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Kinslaying_at_Alqualondë
 

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Of course I'm going to mod her, and of course it's for a monk dip, lmao.

Alright, hold up right now. According to you guys, Legendary Proportions can't be cast on Jaethal cos she's undead. But LP also can't be cast on Outsiders, and Aasimar and Tieflings are both Outsiders, with the native subtype. Can LP be cast on them??

Edit: correction, Hambeard is going to mod her, after I pester him endlessly about it
Wait, no. Why do you need the monk dip? 3 ranks into mobility. Pick Improved Unarmed. Then get your crane style. You don't NEED monk dip. Even if you do monk dip, how good would it be for lawful evil?
Monk robes are:
Lawful Good + 5 to dodge, +1 to attack
Lawful Neutral +3 to dodge, +3 to attack
Lawful Evil + 5 to attack, +1 to dodge
Unless you're going unarmed Jaethal, there is no reason for the monk dip.
 

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Of course I'm going to mod her, and of course it's for a monk dip, lmao.

Alright, hold up right now. According to you guys, Legendary Proportions can't be cast on Jaethal cos she's undead. But LP also can't be cast on Outsiders, and Aasimar and Tieflings are both Outsiders, with the native subtype. Can LP be cast on them??

Edit: correction, Hambeard is going to mod her, after I pester him endlessly about it
Wait, no. Why do you need the monk dip? 3 ranks into mobility. Pick Improved Unarmed. Then get your crane style. You don't NEED monk dip. Even if you do monk dip, how good would it be for lawful evil?
Monk robes are:
Lawful Good + 5 to dodge, +1 to attack
Lawful Neutral +3 to dodge, +3 to attack
Lawful Evil + 5 to attack, +1 to dodge
Unless you're going unarmed Jaethal, there is no reason for the monk dip.
Ah well there's a bunch of reasons but one of them is the Robe that grants immunity to crits. That and I was going to make her a Dex tank.

But anyway I've changed my mind
 

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