Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Darko]

I can't say I that I have. You may be contending with more bugs than just those spiders. I haven't had any issues with collision.

Well, I do already have a whole collage for bugs.

Grand cognatogen destroys dexterity when switching areas, killing Jubilost. Also, math checks out:

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Dispelling strike caster level is set to 1:

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What the fuck is that?

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OH SHIT, IT'S GROWING

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Vertical management

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[Desiderius]

Core of Linzi, Jewb, Ekun, Amiri (Freebooter) is head and shoulders above anything else. I’m mixing it up now for variety but the opportunity cost of making up for what you lose from Bardless (I’ve done it with Sensei) is huge in its own right.

I don’t knock you for trying - Bard is OP - but don’t kid yourself that it’s optimal. I will be leaving her at home this playthrough for undead chapters so we’ll see.

 

[Daidre]

Splashing Ecclesitheurge on Linzi is some intriguing action economy, but probably more trouble than it's worth. Opportunity cost is at it's highest on Bard since you've got slow spell progression to begin with.

Pure Bard Linzi gets Heroism on level 4 and Good Hope at level 7. Splashing anything on her until this point, imho, is like shooting yourself in the knee.

 

[Desiderius]

To up damage replace Val with Okbo.

(or Linzi with Val)

 

[Pink Eye]

I can't say I that I have. You may be contending with more bugs than just those spiders. I haven't had any issues with collision.

Well, I do already have a whole collage for bugs.

Grand cognatogen destroys dexterity when switching areas, killing Jubilost. Also, math checks out:

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Dispelling strike caster level is set to 1:

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What the fuck is that?

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OH SHIT, IT'S GROWING

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Vertical management

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I'd pay money for VERTICAL MANAGEMENT! Owlcat! This is a million dollar idea!

 

[Desiderius]

Splashing Ecclesitheurge on Linzi is some intriguing action economy, but probably more trouble than it's worth. Opportunity cost is at it's highest on Bard since you've got slow spell progression to begin with.

Pure Bard Linzi gets Heroism on level 4 and Good Hope at level 7. Splashing anything on her until this point, imho, is like shooting yourself in the knee.

Those can be replaced by items as Darko noted. Still kind of a pain but doable.

 

[Darko]

Core of Linzi, Jewb, Ekun, Amiri (Freebooter) is head and shoulders above anything else. I’m mixing it up now for variety but the opportunity cost of making up for what you lose from Bardless (I’ve done it with Sensei) is huge in its own right.

I don’t knock you for trying - Bard is OP - but don’t kid yourself that it’s optimal. I will be leaving her at home this playthrough for undead chapters so we’ll see.

Here is the damage breakdown for current run, courtesy of IE-like statistics mod. PC is sword saint, Amiri (Freebooter with Cleave) was OP early on but Ekun is whole other level. Right now Octavia is moving in to take the MVP spot with her arcane trickery shenanigans.

 

[Technomancer]

Well, I do already have a whole collage for bugs.

I have like 30 in my txt, I planned to report them but then I realized that it is too late. All the money is on the next game, no one gives a fuck about the previous one anymore. The worst thing is that even unofficial fan patch is completely dead.

 

[Pink Eye]

>no one gives a fuck about the previous one anymore
That's what I thought. Until they announced they're adding turn based to the game. So if they have resources to do that, where are the paaattcccchhheeessss.

 

[Desiderius]

>no one gives a fuck about the previous one anymore
That's what I thought. Until they announced they're adding turn based to the game. So if they have resources to do that, where are the paaattcccchhheeessss.

They already patched 90%. (Very) slow but steady.

 

[InternalRevenue]

Because of pathing and the need to buff their equipment pets are a resource with rapidly diminishing returns. To say Blight sux because no pet is thinking in a solo vacuum that misses group dynamics.

They might really become not that good on House but by that point your normal Druid would function as well as Blight Druid anyway so once again there is no way Blight is on par or better than any normal Druid unless you are really really lacking in micro skills.

Not true. That personal innate debuff has the ability to completely shut down any animal, magical beast, or fey (all three of which are in great abundance throughout the whole game) foolish enough to approach you in melee and applies a solid malus to those who don't fall under those categories. And the immunity shuts down the major threat from the HatEoT ghosts; there's no communal delay poison for disease in this game.

No, the reason is because of pathing they often never even make it to the fight and because there is always an opportunity cost to taking the pet.

True that. In smaller areas even with "just" 6 party members, if too many are melee-oriented, oftentimes someone's not getting into the fight. This gets worse as size-increasing spells become more prevalent, and most companions become large already by default. Not saying companions aren't a great choice, but claiming they're the best choice in every circumstance and the other options are just complete garbage is just wrong.

 

[Desiderius]

there's no communal delay poison for disease in this game.

Oho, young grasshopper, there you are mistaken. There is... one.

 

[Darko]

I've noticed that stealth can become quite useful later on.

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Helps avoiding ambushes, especially in this case since Soul eaters have no perception (it would show under Skills on inspect). Just grab the amulet and decide if you want to fight them on your own terms, by drowning them in summons.

Stealth DCs eventually get ridiculous, this one could've been passed if Octavia had hard points in stealth, at the time I didn't know it would be worth it:

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Finally, it helps set up nukes like this one. Lizards are positioned perfectly, and thanks to Grandmaster rod all but one died on the following round. Rod of flaming vengeance converts acid to fire (for Elemental focus - Fire) and adds +3 to DC.

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It might be worth stacking Stealth, Perception, and Trickery on one char so they can scout the whole map, find any stealthed or invisible enemies, disarm traps, and lockpick containers, all before the cavalry moves in.

 

[Desiderius]

Stealth + Dazzling Display + Uncanny Dodge/high Initiative = the opening of champions.

Add Thug to taste.

 

[Darko]

Damn right, thanks for reminding me.

 

[Technomancer]

Rod of flaming vengeance

How does Rod of flaming vengeance work with items (or bloodline powers) that give +1 dmg per die rolled?

converts acid to fire (for Elemental focus - Fire) and adds +3 to DC

According to this, it does not work like that in-game:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/erdb35/the_rod_of_flaming_vengeance/

 

[Darko]

According to this, it does not work like that in-game:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/erdb35/the_rod_of_flaming_vengeance/

Seems this is correct, thanks for pointing it out.
Harrim volunteered for a quick test, DC is 10 + 9 INT + 7 (spell level) + 3 (rod of flaming vengeance) + 2 (spell focus evocation) = 31.
Tier0 Mim's neck and Sharel's masterpiece robe both properly add +1 dmg per die, even to the sneak attack part.
Octavia is lvl 17 but spell spec works properly and increases it to 19.

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[Desiderius]

Hinterlander (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/e-h/hinterlander/) Tristian making his first appearance.

Getting around that Soft Cover will take Improved Precise Shot (coming up in a level or two) or using a different bow (other early Bows have Veering that gets around Soft Cover). He's along here because he can share his Favored Enemy Undead with team via Hunter's Bond. Hinterlander adds Ghost Touch to that, though don't need that for Lonely Barrow. Ekun will be on Devourer for Season since he has Magical Beast Favored Enemy and gets Improved Precise at lvl 6. Tristian will get it back for VTomb.

Lonely Warrior always a good early/mid test and CM crew comes through with flying colors, although he did almost kill Octavia thru her Mirror Image despite being Disarmed and Blinded. Got him down quickly enough to chase down adds fast with help from Obscuring Mist.

Oracle Valerie can cast Archon's Aura on herself and her pet for two bites at the apple. Looking forward to same with 4th level Shaken Aura.

 

[Commissar Draco]

I need to reinstall the game and play it some more, heard that you can turn off this hole kingdom managment BS and get straight to dungeon and adventuring part so now finally I will be able to finish it, game is now two years after release and as patched as it ever will be.

 

[Daidre]

I need to reinstall the game and play it some more, heard that you can turn off this hole kingdom managment BS and get straight to dungeon and adventuring part so now finally I will be able to finish it, game is now two years after release and as patched as it ever will be.

I expect huge patch incoming with TB combat due to console release around 18 August, and, knowing Owlcat, at least couple of hotfixes after.

 

[vortex]

I expect huge patch incoming with TB combat due to console release around 18 August, and, knowing Owlcat, at least couple of hotfixes after.

Performance? Long loading screens?

 

[Daidre]

I expect huge patch incoming with TB combat due to console release around 18 August, and, knowing Owlcat, at least couple of hotfixes after.

Performance? Long loading screens?

Owlcats fixed it back in 2019. At least for a people with decent gaming PCs.

 

[Yosharian]

I need to reinstall the game and play it some more, heard that you can turn off this hole kingdom managment BS and get straight to dungeon and adventuring part so now finally I will be able to finish it, game is now two years after release and as patched as it ever will be.

Just put Kingdom Management on effortless

 

[Desiderius]

The KM gets you the best/most interesting items/abilities as well as most of your cash flow. Skipping KM will give you a very distorted feel for the game.

 

[CaesarCzech]

Apparently Turnbased is going to be backported to Kingmaker

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/posts/2862275