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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by Elex, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    The question is - how one does know what the spell "is supposed to do" and "what it does instead".

    Kingmaker does not follow RAW. Sometimes it is intentional, and sometimes it is not. The second case could be considered a bug, as in "implemented not as planned". Do you know from the authors of Kingmaker how to distinguish between the former and the latter? Like, Crane Wing implementation in Kingmaker: is it a bug that cannot be fixed for 2 years or something planned? Or something in-between? Also, the log you're referring to is made by the same buggy program. How can you trust it?

    I've seen only 1 such observation so far, from InD_ImaginE . Probably, you've seen more. It does not change the fact that we're comparing our personal experience and nothing more.

    Have you ever seen what is shown by dnSpy? Have you compared it with proper C# code? It might be enough to "fiddle", but not enough to understand design and architecture of the game.

    It is obvious that Kingmaker's code is brittle. The last article about turn base mode implementation and the article for WotR Kickstarter about the changes in the program structure have indirect, but compelling evidence of it. The fact that Owlcats cannot change their code reliably and have to fix it every time is direct evidence.

    However, using the words of a mod author to discuss the architecture of a program is like using a faith healer when your mother has breast cancer.
     
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  2. NJClaw Ontopolover by choice Patron

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    Imagine expecting a rational and unbiased opinion on Pathfinder: Kingmaker from LannTheStupid

    [​IMG]
     
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  3. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    are you ok
     
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  4. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    1. From the description? Have you been sniffing petrol, by any chance?
    2. "I've bothered to read one example" is no argument. Just laziness.
    3. Yes, it's so brittle that a modder had to show them how to implement turn-based combat. And a different one added classes and archetypes much faster than Owlcat will in their sequel, which leads me to believe they'll rip him off too. The rest of what you've written is gibberish, so it's safe to ignore.

    It's rather obvious that Owlcat Games suffers from the same illness most of RPG developers suffer from since the late 90s - incompetence when it comes to implementing content. If I were to ask, here and now, for a list of great RPGs absolutely riddled with game-breaking bugs, especially at release, we'd have a whole litany. If I'd ask for the opposite - a small handful of examples.
     
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  5. Anthedon Arcane Patron

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    Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    New patch:

    https://store.steampowered.com/newshub/app/640820/view/2860303582292577885
     
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  6. RK47 collides like two planets pulled by gravity Patron

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    I finished Chapter 1 and despite a bit of glitch here n there, I'm satisfied with this game.
    But when I saw the options in Kingdom management I decided to just shut off the game for the night. It's too much to take in.
     
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  7. oldmanpaco Master of Siestas

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    Kingdom management seems way more complicated than it is. Just assign people to posts (need to find Jub before you get a treasurer). City building doesn't really matter - Build whatever you want. Just expand your territory when you can. Don't assign people to long duration jobs (30+ days) unless you know what you are doing. Most of the curse research options are pointless unless you are going for the waifu ending and you'd need a guide for that.
     
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  8. RK47 collides like two planets pulled by gravity Patron

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    Yeah, some small bugs with spell still exist.
    Magic Vestment Cleric Lv 3
    You can choose to increase AC on Shield/Armor but it doesn't do anything for Shields. It seems like they're just applying it directly to the character instead of the shield. So it doesn't stack correctly.
     
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  9. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    This is an old bug IIRC, been there since like before last year major patch
     
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  10. NJClaw Ontopolover by choice Patron

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    That spell is double bugged: the shield version does nothing, the armor version stacks with other enchantment bonuses while it shouldn't. Now let's just wait for Lann to tell us that this is working as intended because they haven't fixed it for so long.
     
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  11. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
     
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  12. Lacrymas Arcane

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    After the bajillionth attempt at creating the character I like and maybe finally succeeding, I played around with the TB mode and I've got to say RTwP is officially dumb and pointless. RTwP doesn't make sense with the system and the game is worse off for having it, no wonder it died at the beginning of the century. Too bad we have to deal with its shambling corpse now, spreading its bloated, diseased mass to other games in the franchise.
     
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  13. RK47 collides like two planets pulled by gravity Patron

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    I toggle Resolving Trash-combat (RT) mode just to clear trash combat quicker. i.e clearing lvl 1-2 grps.
     
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  14. Crichton Prophet

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    All RTwP adaptations of D&D 3.0/3.5/Pathfinder are garbage, but take heart. Back in the days of NWN2, we thought me might be stuck with them forever. Now the next Owlcat game might be the last one to even include an RTwP option. I don't know if taste is improving, publishers are wising up or it's all simply a knock-on effect from the success of D:OS 2, but any which way, I'll take it.
     
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  15. Cromwell Arcane

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    I just stumbled a glowing portal down in the lonely barrow and it tells me I have to be the strongest and kill a few things. What Monsters are meant here?
     
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  16. razvedchiki Liturgist

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    do you have to bring tristian in vordakais tomb for the true ending?or can you make him destroy a certain item later?
     
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  17. Xamenos Scholar Patron

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    If you don't bring him with you, you can't convince him not to steal the Eye. Nyrissa finds the Briar, but it won't work for her if it's taken, only if it's freely given and accepted. You can find it in her funhouse and present it to her as normal
     
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  18. panda Savant

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    There are about 60 quest monsters in various parts ot the map. When you kill special one there will be visual effect of energy(like small magic missiles) absorbed by MC.
    Majority of them scattered through the world and can be found in small isolated locations(e.g. chapter I examples: werewolf, water elemental, e.t.c). But few are present in big story maps too.
    You'll get access to last batch of locations/monsters during Pitax chapter.

    But i believe most people nowdays don't wait for so long and just teleport inside through glitch/crack/whatever between regular and force walls.
     
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  19. Eastwood Literate

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    Could you elaborate on that, Desiderius?
    I'm considering doing another run as a Druid to pursue the secret ending and figured Feyspeaker might fit perfectly for role-playing.
    Gameplay wise however, I think Defender of the True World is much stronger. You don't miss out on spontaneous summoning, can wear medium armor, have higher will saves, BAB and get that juicy bonus against Fey.

    What would be the role of a Feyspeaker in combat? A backline summoner/caster? Is mirror image even worth it, when you don't intend to tank?
     
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  20. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    It's less than 60. If you just play the game and explore you'll end up kill enough bosses to unlock the door and have a nice endgame fight.

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    Cheating your way in is pretty much cheating your way out of half of the game since the gear is endgame and you'd have to cheese the fight.
     
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  21. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    You can, but double Displacer Beast is just nuts. Spontaneous summoning is only good on low levels where its not very good since your summons suck, at high levels your spells rule, armor doesn't work while wildshaped, you don't need to save against dead casters, Smilos get five attax at full BAB, and they get their own bonus against Fey.

    Mirror Image, Displacement, Greater Invis, whatever high level Illusions and Enchantments you like. Your pet is the ultimate tank then you can just Pounce around mauling shit.

    Just make sure you can get your WIS to 13 for Natural Spell since it doesn't go off of CHR stupidly. The earlier Shapes aren't as strong so you can hang back casting if you like but your Smilo pet will be like a full party member itself.

    Val's Smilodon tanking.jpg
    ValTigerPounce.jpg
    Smilodon Pounce.jpg
     
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  22. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    So, what's the consensus? Since I'm installing the game in a few days - 2.0.8 or 2.1?
     
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  23. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    2.0.8 for sure.

    It's weird that you're still asking this question.
     
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  24. Riel Arbiter

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    Yes, give it at least 1 month before trying 2.1.X. There's still a plethora of bugs to be introduced and then fixed.
     
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  25. smaug Arcane Patron Shitposter

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    Just beat Troll boss, flawlessly. Switching to Hard now.

    Game is super fun, I've only ever made it to trolls and can't wait to see what's next in upcoming chapters. (Been playing non-stop.)
     
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