Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Joseph Stalin]

So, what's the consensus? Since I'm installing the game in a few days - 2.0.8 or 2.1?

 

[LannTheStupid]

2.0.8 for sure.

It's weird that you're still asking this question.

 

[Riel]

Yes, give it at least 1 month before trying 2.1.X. There's still a plethora of bugs to be introduced and then fixed.

 

[smaug]

Just beat Troll boss, flawlessly. Switching to Hard now.

Game is super fun, I've only ever made it to trolls and can't wait to see what's next in upcoming chapters. (Been playing non-stop.)

 

[smaug]

Tried Dragon Snake under the bridge. Buffed completely, couldn't touch him.

Got Raped.

 

[Yosharian]

Fellow Kingmaker players, I have an idea for a challenge. Unfair difficulty. 6-man custom party. Only one rule: no spellcasting allowed. That means no levels taken that give access to any spells whatsoever. For classes like Paladin for example, level 3 is ok but level 4 is not.

What party would you use?

 

[oldmanpaco]

Fellow Kingmaker players, I have an idea for a challenge. Unfair difficulty. 6-man custom party. Only one rule: no spellcasting allowed. That means no levels taken that give access to any spells whatsoever. For classes like Paladin for example, level 3 is ok but level 4 is not.

What party would you use?

Do Alchemists count as spell casters?

edit: They don't.

1) Vivisectionist - Possibly with 1 Fighter and/or Monk to help with AC.
2) Chirurgeon - Need a Healer.
3) Grenadier - Ranged AoE.
4) Fighter - Maybe TSS/SD to stand in the middle. Not sure that would work on unfair but infusions would help.
5) Mad Dog - Only non casting class that gets a pet (or am I wrong).
6) Some sort of ranged DPS - Rogue or Slayer I suppose. Maybe even a fighter.

Not sure about dips because I'm not a huge fan of that. Could make a dex tank out of a monk and he might have more damage than the fighter but early game would be hard.

I look forward to people telling me how wrong I am.

edit 2: The other option would be 6 Alchemists and their archetypes. Bet that would be crazy.

Now I want to do this.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Kineticist blasts are not spells.

 

[oldmanpaco]

Kineticist blasts are not spells.

Kineticists feel like low class sorcerers but I suppose you are right. Guess the rules nazi needs to decide on both Kineticists and Alchemists.

 

[Desiderius]

Kineticist blasts are not spells.

Kineticists feel like low class sorcerers but I suppose you are right. Guess the rules nazi needs to decide on both Kineticists and Alchemists.

They take awhile to learn the ins and outs of but no, they're not low class.

Knock stuff through the fight with Bull Rush, triggering AoOs with everyone:

Infinite Grease:

Five Trip per round tankish (Kinetic Blade gets iteratives, haste, bites, etc...)

 

[Yosharian]

Of course fucking alchemists count as spellcasters. The point of this challenge is to use builds that wouldn't normally get used, not make a team of fucking alchemists! No kineticists either, too OP


As for the healer problem, yeah I'm thinking of making a 20th level Hospitaler and using the rule that he can only fill his slots with Cure spells, that gives me some healing but isn't too broken. But the other characters most follow the rules strictly.

 

[oldmanpaco]

Of course fucking alchemists count as spellcasters. The point of this challenge is to use builds that wouldn't normally get used, not make a team of fucking alchemists! No kineticists either, too OP


As for the healer problem, yeah I'm thinking of making a 20th level Hospitaler and using the rule that he can only fill his slots with Cure spells, that gives me some healing but isn't too broken. But the other characters most follow the rules strictly.

I know nothing about Hospitaler cure spells but if you use the name "spells" to describe them it is seems like they would be disqualified in your "lets never beat the Stag Lord challenge".

Also Desiderius do you have like a 10,000 screenshots of random characters archived somewhere that you can just grab 10 or so for every class/race/npc combo that is mentioned. How deep into the spectrum are you man?

 

[Yosharian]

Of course fucking alchemists count as spellcasters. The point of this challenge is to use builds that wouldn't normally get used, not make a team of fucking alchemists! No kineticists either, too OP


As for the healer problem, yeah I'm thinking of making a 20th level Hospitaler and using the rule that he can only fill his slots with Cure spells, that gives me some healing but isn't too broken. But the other characters most follow the rules strictly.

I know nothing about Hospitaler cure spells but if you use the name "spells" to describe them it is seems like they would be disqualified in your "lets never beat the Stag Lord challenge".

Also Desiderius do you have like a 10,000 screenshots of random characters archived somewhere that you can just grab 10 or so for every class/race/npc combo that is mentioned. How deep into the spectrum are you man?

FFS I'm making an exception for the Paladin in order to have a healer, game is fucking impossible without the ability to heal between fights

This is not a hard concept to grasp

 

[Eastwood]

You can, but double Displacer Beast is just nuts. Spontaneous summoning is only good on low levels where its not very good since your summons suck, at high levels your spells rule, armor doesn't work while wildshaped, you don't need to save against dead casters, Smilos get five attax at full BAB, and they get their own bonus against Fey.

Mirror Image, Displacement, Greater Invis, whatever high level Illusions and Enchantments you like. Your pet is the ultimate tank then you can just Pounce around mauling shit.

Just make sure you can get your WIS to 13 for Natural Spell since it doesn't go off of CHR stupidly. The earlier Shapes aren't as strong so you can hang back casting if you like but your Smilo pet will be like a full party member itself.

Sounds great, thanks for the clarification! Any multiclassing advice for this build? I guess Scaled Fist dip for the AC bonus might be good.

 

[Doktor Best]

So i tried the turnbased mode. Its clunky as fuck and bugged out in 2 out of 4 fights. Seems like i'll have to wait some more before actually finishing this...

 

[Bloodeyes]

This game doesn't mess around! I've had to restart twice because I made bad choices with builds and thought allowing retraining was too popamole. Playing on custom difficulty. Basically just normal diff with that second chance on death thing turned off, crits on party set to normal, enemy difficulty normal, damage to party 1.00. Basically set everything to normal and enabled the encumbrance rules because I like that kind of thing. I don't get why normal diff wasn't just normal settings across the board so I fixed that. Now it feels like I'm playing on hard diff. I just got my shit pushed in by the stag lord and had to take a break. I think I can beat him, just not using the direct approach.

Party is level 4 and consists of the following:

Moric: My PC. Lawful good Aasimar two handed fighter. He's effective, but I actually like the Barbarian (invulnerable rager) Aasimar I ran on my last attempt better. It was much more mobile and seemed roughly equivalent in terms of durability. I don't know if I've gained anything going fighter but it's nice not having to worry about alignment. Not restarting again though. I actually want to play this game not just keep making characters.

Amiri: Built very conventionally. Her character obviously has a political agenda behind its writing but I kind of like her anyway. Effective too, but then she's a barbarian.

Harrim: Love this character! Set him up as a healer. Ditched his shield becuase I used turnbased mode for most fights and the high miss ratio in this game makes me rage. So nobody gets a shield or anything else that fucks with their accuracy. Gave him a masterwork heavy flail instead.

Lematte: Custom character. Chaotic neutral human fighter (Aldori defender). Dex based. Wears a chain shirt +1 and a belt of dexterity to offset the - to dex from the chainshirt. He's effective and has a cool character portrait from a pack I downloaded. He's this skinny, pale, beta looking dude. I gave him the insane voice too. I love this character.

Crom: Custom Character. Chaotic good Orcish rogue (Knife master). An homage to my old Skyrim PC (yes Skyrim, you played it too). He's a can opener and there mostly for his skills but he's also a passable dex fighter.

Jaelthal: Set up as a healer/melee fighter. I need two healers right now but I could swap her out or change what spells she uses once I level a bit and Harrim can cast more spells.

So my whole party can hang on the front line. For the rare situations where they can't reach an enemy they all have bows or crossbows as secondary weapons (except Harrim). Things that need fire to die are handled with alchemists fire thrown by Crom and Lematte and torches wielded by Moric and Amiri. Seems to work so far.

Fuckin' great game! It's a shame that so many of the followers seem to be a bit social justicy. At least you can ditch the obnoxious ones and make your own though. Like I told those swingers to get to fuck. No degenerates in my party. And that metoo fighter girl? Fuck her. If I ever let her back in my party she can be camp cook.

 

[Bloodeyes]

So i tried the turnbased mode. Its clunky as fuck and bugged out in 2 out of 4 fights. Seems like i'll have to wait some more before actually finishing this...

It bugs out a lot for me as well, usually when one of my party suffers a fear effect. Turning it off and on again works.

 

[Desiderius]

D

You can, but double Displacer Beast is just nuts. Spontaneous summoning is only good on low levels where its not very good since your summons suck, at high levels your spells rule, armor doesn't work while wildshaped, you don't need to save against dead casters, Smilos get five attax at full BAB, and they get their own bonus against Fey.

Mirror Image, Displacement, Greater Invis, whatever high level Illusions and Enchantments you like. Your pet is the ultimate tank then you can just Pounce around mauling shit.

Just make sure you can get your WIS to 13 for Natural Spell since it doesn't go off of CHR stupidly. The earlier Shapes aren't as strong so you can hang back casting if you like but your Smilo pet will be like a full party member itself.

Sounds great, thanks for the clarification! Any multiclassing advice for this build? I guess Scaled Fist dip for the AC bonus might be good.

Nah, best defense is good offense. You’ve got Pounce and Image and Displacement/Greater Invis. Go off. No splashes. You’ve got to get to lvl 12 ASAP.

 

[Desiderius]

Of course fucking alchemists count as spellcasters. The point of this challenge is to use builds that wouldn't normally get used, not make a team of fucking alchemists! No kineticists either, too OP


As for the healer problem, yeah I'm thinking of making a 20th level Hospitaler and using the rule that he can only fill his slots with Cure spells, that gives me some healing but isn't too broken. But the other characters most follow the rules strictly.

I know nothing about Hospitaler cure spells but if you use the name "spells" to describe them it is seems like they would be disqualified in your "lets never beat the Stag Lord challenge".

Also Desiderius do you have like a 10,000 screenshots of random characters archived somewhere that you can just grab 10 or so for every class/race/npc combo that is mentioned. How deep into the spectrum are you man?

FFS I'm making an exception for the Paladin in order to have a healer, game is fucking impossible without the ability to heal between fights

This is not a hard concept to grasp

Still pretty stupid when the game gives you infinite consumables.

 

[Desiderius]

Of course fucking alchemists count as spellcasters. The point of this challenge is to use builds that wouldn't normally get used, not make a team of fucking alchemists! No kineticists either, too OP


As for the healer problem, yeah I'm thinking of making a 20th level Hospitaler and using the rule that he can only fill his slots with Cure spells, that gives me some healing but isn't too broken. But the other characters most follow the rules strictly.

I know nothing about Hospitaler cure spells but if you use the name "spells" to describe them it is seems like they would be disqualified in your "lets never beat the Stag Lord challenge".

Also Desiderius do you have like a 10,000 screenshots of random characters archived somewhere that you can just grab 10 or so for every class/race/npc combo that is mentioned. How deep into the spectrum are you man?

I tested stuff for fun then people started asking me to test shit or someone would say you know Vivi sucks so I’d try to make it work to disprove them and ended up with a lot of shots from those tests along with playthroughs.

 

[Desiderius]

I busted all the way through the spectrum. I’m so autistic I’m normal.

 

[Doktor Best]

So i tried the turnbased mode. Its clunky as fuck and bugged out in 2 out of 4 fights. Seems like i'll have to wait some more before actually finishing this...

It bugs out a lot for me as well, usually when one of my party suffers a fear effect. Turning it off and on again works.

Yeah i know it works, but still i don't know if i like to deal with that crap all the time.

It's a shame that so many of the followers seem to be a bit social justicy. At least you can ditch the obnoxious ones and make your own though. Like I told those swingers to get to fuck. No degenerates in my party. And that metoo fighter girl? Fuck her. If I ever let her back in my party she can be camp cook.

Man you showed them!

 

[Bloodeyes]

Yeah i know it works, but still i don't know if i like to deal with that crap all the time.

It's an annoying glitch but it actually doesn't happen every second fight. You just got unlucky. It's more like every 15th fight for me. Plus you just click an icon and click it again to resolve it. That seems like a poor reason to give up on the game if you find it otherwise enjoyable. Just click the hourglass, then click it again and continue the fight. Does this excuse it? No. But games like this are rare occurrences and you shouldn't deprive yourself of experiencing it over such a minor issue.

 

[LannTheStupid]

And that metoo fighter girl? Fuck her.

Are you a game journalist by any chance?

 

[Delterius]

Kineticist blasts are not spells.

Kineticists feel like low class sorcerers but I suppose you are right. Guess the rules nazi needs to decide on both Kineticists and Alchemists.

lol kineticists can solo the game on unfair