Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[LannTheStupid]

There's no loading a save in tabletop after all.

That's what tabletoppers never tell while criticising Kingmaker.

 

[Delterius]

required for Ironman/Tinman.

Which is, by the way, the way the ruleset is meant to be played. There's no loading a save in tabletop after all.

bro

just roll a new character

broo

One guy dying is not a big deal, in tabletop or ironman. A party wipe ends the campaign.

time to bust out the children of the party members

20 years have passed since your parents died in battle

it is time to seek revenge against the kobolds of greenmoss ravine

only then shall you be considered fully grown adults

 

[LannTheStupid]

it is time to seek revenge against the kobolds of greenmoss ravine

Who, under wise guidance of King Tartuk, in 20 years ascended to dragonhood.

 

[Lacrymas]

You can't load a saved game in tabletop, but the DM can help the players out a lot. There is no DM to help you out in video games.

 

[Delterius]

computer games are just extremely anal DMs

'so i rolled a 19, plus all my bonuses and ranks and spell bonuses i got a 71 diplomacy check against the court'

'hmmm sorry man i listed 'convincing the king to give you a measly 10 gps for effort' as 72 DC, in fact your presumptiousness now marks you as enemies of the world'

the good news is that they are also amnesiacs and will constantly forget the TPKs they inflict

 

[LannTheStupid]

There are at least 6 different DM's in Pathfinder: Kingmaker, from "Story" to "Unfair". And if a particular tabletopper wants to emulate his table top especially close s/he can enable the "Last Azlanti" mode.

 

[Desiderius]

Some Sensei shots to follow.

Lvl 4 fighting Kalannah (this is probably just Hard since I was testing CMs for the first time). You can see here the tactic of using the Monk as an assassin to take out casters. Mages have poor CMD, so easily Tripped (not much damage yet, and on Sensei never will get that high unlike dedicated melee monk. Makes Sensei ideal for CMs). Tank Val using Bull Rush to trigger AoOs and bunch up mobs for Amiri.

Same playthrough with MC Sensei Tripper, Amiri Barb with Inspire Ferocity, Val TSS Bull Rusher, Octavia W1/R1/AD Disarmer, Linzi B1/Freebooter since don't need Inspire Courage. Lvl 4 Hard (tripping Alpha Warg not easy!):

Lvl 5 Monk Tripping a Dryad to set her up for big hit for Amiri, still just Hard:

Big reason to play a Sensei (immunity to Plague Storm from Ghost Mage):

Sensei is probably better off going Crane Tank with Dirty Trick, but this is Pummeling Style Pounce w/ Trip:

Tripping Unfair Linnorm who is unfortunately immune to Prone. Blind via Dirty Trick/Spit Venom would have been much better. Still working him over fine:

Different playthrough here where I just retrained MC into Sensei. Feyspeaker Val Wild Shaped into a Shambling Mound and successfully Grappled the Linnorm. Mass True Strike paying off for Sensei:

Mass Restoration also a big timesaver. Of course Inspire Courage also lets you replace a Bard

Advice lasts a long time, can give Evasion to toons who couldn't get it any other way:

Big buffs for big fights, but only takes about five rounds altogether which goes quick once you get your bars organized. Blindness here from Spit Venom (lasts one round, but no save or resistance. Save is for added Poison):

All three of the above substantial debuffs are no Save no Resist. Detail on Spit Venom:

So Sensei does alot of cool support stuff and can tank and Blind stuff (via Dirty Trick or Spit Venom) all at the same time, or be an assassin Tripper, but a base/trad Monk could do a lot more damage going STR-based and fighting Enlarged. Pink liked to go Sacred Fist and Dragon Style, I prefer Pummeling for Pounce and the extra free Trip.

 

[Andhaira]

Guys, how does the OFFICIAL TB mode compare with the fan made one?

 

[Desiderius]

So I'm using respec mod how can I rebuild Harrim as a effective cleric? his default stats pretty much suck.

Physical stats don’t matter that much. Those are easy to boost via equipment and spells. Any substantial DEX would be wasted since he’s Heavy Armor and doesn’t get training. He also gets +4 racial AC vs Giants (includes Trolls and Zombies) which are the main big hitters.

His WIS is fine.

The companions are all solid as is. No need to respec other than variety.

 

[Whisper]

Tbh I’m usually too lazy to cast Stoneskin before Jub hits lvl 13. Every screenshot I post is Unfair. You may wish to peruse some of the last ten thousand.

Where are you fighting a Cyclops at lvl 6? Varnhold DLC? They shouldn’t get any swings in in the first place.

Troll at Old Oak and Boggart Champ can hit hard enough to one shot you too of course.

Varnhold.

Also other enemies hit around 80-100+.


Stoneskin for 10 dmg reduction is useless as your other advise.

 

[Desiderius]

You can tell a nuker but you can’t tell him much. Can’t even cast Stoneskin at lvl 6. Pls try to come up with viable examples.

Those Cyclops have bad Will. Why are you tanking them anyway? Is this Porky’s alt?

 

[Whisper]

So I'm using respec mod how can I rebuild Harrim as a effective cleric? his default stats pretty much suck.

Physical stats don’t matter that much. Those are easy to boost via equipment and spells. Any substantial DEX would be wasted since he’s Heavy Armor and doesn’t get training. He also gets +4 racial AC vs Giants (includes Trolls and Zombies) which are the main big hitters.

His WIS is fine.

The companions are all solid as is. No need to respec other than variety.

Companions are solid as they are? If anyone in this forums thought that you are not dumbfuck, now they know that you are.

Custom characters aka Mercenaries>>>>>>> storyline companions.

 

[Whisper]

So I'm using respec mod how can I rebuild Harrim as a effective cleric? his default stats pretty much suck.

Just hire Mercenaries.

Storyline characters are very bad made. If you play on Unfair. If you play on Normal (= Easy) they are Ok.

 

[Lacrymas]

Aren't story companions illegal in the sense they have too many attribute points spent?

 

[Desiderius]

We’ve already been over all this before.

Mercenaries get bad point buys, penalties as advisers, and miss out on the big bonuses companions get from their quests. Base stat differences pale in comparison to all the other bonuses and end up very marginal.

If you’re going to the trouble to play a game, play it as designed. You can shake things up after you have a better feel for it.

 

[Whisper]

Aren't story companions illegal in the sense they have too many attribute points spent?

They tried to balance with Mercs. They have higher stats, but in wrong places.

Like combat expertise needs 13 Int and any tank would need 13 Int, but Valerie lacks it. etc, but has high Cha, which is useless for tank unless you go for weired builds etc.

 

[Desiderius]

What is it about my writing that makes it irresistible for total retards to impale themselves on with both ignorant takes and rating spam?

 

[Whisper]

What is it about my writing that makes it irresistible for total retards to impale themselves on with both ignorant takes and rating spam?

Some people can follow your advise that companions are good for Unfair. While they are shitty, due to horrible stats. Which do matter.

As Valerie, 13 dex and 9 Int for Tower shield specialist. You want at least 13 Int and high Dex. And probably halfing for good AC feat and size bonus. You lose like 6-7 AC for first levels and this is a lot. And Valerie is considered one of best companions. Others are worse.

 

[Desiderius]

Aren't story companions illegal in the sense they have too many attribute points spent?

They tried to balance with Mercs. They have higher stats, but in wrong places.

Like combat expertise needs 13 Int and any tank would need 13 Int, but Valerie lacks it. etc, but has high Cha, which is useless for tank unless you go for weired builds etc.

Expertise on straight TSS is a pain but it’s not that hard to boost her INT 4 if you’re desperate. She’s just not that smart and she does fine with Bull Rush (doesn’t require Expertise) if you want to go that way. Unfortunately Sunder Armor doesn’t match up very well with the main foes you face since it does nothing against Natural Armor.

The CHR is for the Dazzling Display line which is very solid action economy on its own for a tank and sets up Shatter Defenses both for her and the whole team. Also fits with her storyline.

Neither TSS1/Bardx or TSS1/Feyspeakerx are weird builds since they both benefit from the Tower Shield, and you end up usually getting a Bastard Sword that boosts her CHR even higher.

Of course her highest stat sets her up perfectly for Kinetic Knight, which is also straightforward and strong.

Each companion has options like these, but Val is the strongest.

 

[LannTheStupid]

What is it about my writing that makes it irresistible for total retards to impale themselves on with both ignorant takes and rating spam?

He just hates Americans. As you can see from his status, he associates himself with the most degenerate and anti-Western part of Russian speakers. This part represents mosf of us, unfortunately.

I hate Americans, too, but I do it slightly differently.

 

[Desiderius]

What is it about my writing that makes it irresistible for total retards to impale themselves on with both ignorant takes and rating spam?

Some people can follow your advise that companions are good for Unfair. While they are shitty, due to horrible stats. Which do matter.

As Valerie, 13 dex and 9 Int for Tower shield specialist. You want at least 13 Int and high Dex. And probably halfing for good AC feat and size bonus. You lose like 6-7 AC for first levels and this is a lot. And Valerie is considered one of best companions. Others are worse.

You’re being way too narrow-minded. A couple AC here and there isn’t going to matter that much.

You use stat bumps to round off her stats, so by midgame she’ll easily have 18DEX with equitment which is plenty. Trip is over supported but many things are immune (like Ghosts) and there are other toons or effects that can apply it (like Amiri with bite cloak or Okbo) so it’s not the be all end all. Expertise on its own is a weak feat.

You can always cast Fox’s Cunning on her if you’re obsessed. Call of the Wild can give her Dirty Fighting.

 

[Whisper]

Aren't story companions illegal in the sense they have too many attribute points spent?

They tried to balance with Mercs. They have higher stats, but in wrong places.

Like combat expertise needs 13 Int and any tank would need 13 Int, but Valerie lacks it. etc, but has high Cha, which is useless for tank unless you go for weired builds etc.

Expertise on straight TSS is a pain but it’s not that hard to boost her INT 4 if you’re desperate.

Boost 4 Int in first chapters? Common, retard, can you try harder a bit. You havent adressed that she cant tank first 2 chapters for sure on Unfair while my halfing TSS can easily.


p.s. Here is big guide for Unfair from someone with brains, read part about companions. Pretty much agree.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrTZa-l0aife1_Jxg59dgd3ow4ndFHKnR6520gKWBl0/edit

 

[Lacrymas]

They tried to balance with Mercs. They have higher stats, but in wrong places.

Like combat expertise needs 13 Int and any tank would need 13 Int, but Valerie lacks it. etc, but has high Cha, which is useless for tank unless you go for weired builds etc.

Meh, I immediately turned her into a Kinetic Knight when I saw her stat spread and got rid of her tower shield so she can actually hit something. I don't think of my RPG parties like an MMO, though, there are no "tanks" and such.

 

[Whisper]

What is it about my writing that makes it irresistible for total retards to impale themselves on with both ignorant takes and rating spam?

Some people can follow your advise that companions are good for Unfair. While they are shitty, due to horrible stats. Which do matter.

As Valerie, 13 dex and 9 Int for Tower shield specialist. You want at least 13 Int and high Dex. And probably halfing for good AC feat and size bonus. You lose like 6-7 AC for first levels and this is a lot. And Valerie is considered one of best companions. Others are worse.

You’re being way too narrow-minded. A couple AC here and there isn’t going to matter that much.

You use stat bumps to round off her stats, so by midgame she’ll easily have 18DEX with equity ment which is plenty. Trip is over supported but many things are immune (like Ghosts) and there are other toons or effects that can apply it (like Amiri with bite cloak or Okbo) so it’s not the be all end all. Expertise on its own is a weak feat.

You can always cast Fox’s Cunning on her if you’re obsessed. Call of the Wild can give her Dirty Fighting.

Why would i use 2nd lvl spell slot for every encounter on her in game where camping is limited? Not that Fox's Cunning would help her tank, she lacks like 6-7 AC from real tank.

Expertise is perfect feat, adds a lot AC without drawbacks for tank. All tank builds should grab on Unfair.

 

[Whisper]

They tried to balance with Mercs. They have higher stats, but in wrong places.

Like combat expertise needs 13 Int and any tank would need 13 Int, but Valerie lacks it. etc, but has high Cha, which is useless for tank unless you go for weired builds etc.

Meh, I immediately turned her into a Kinetic Knight when I saw her stat spread and got rid of her tower shield so she can actually hit something. I don't think of my RPG parties like an MMO, though, there are no "tanks" and such.

You need 1 character in party with really high AC (max) for Unfair. I call some character "tank".