Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Desiderius]

I think WIS to AC on Monk is that AC Bonus, but that could also be the AC Bonus you get every four levels leaving the Other as WIS to AC.

Looks like Saint was splashed merely for Dueling Sword + Focus then three levels of Swordlord?

Nothing untyped here.

 

[Mangoose]

Holic. Fucking. Shit.

He just updated Proper Flanking, Favored Class, and Call of the Wild. jfc he's a savant

 

[Testownia]

OK, boys and girls, I found it! I found what triggers the fucking "gender swap" bug. It assigns you, randomly, the gender of the last person you've levelled up. So just make sure to always level up the main character first last, and this will never happen again.

 

[Testownia]

Holic. Fucking. Shit.

He just updated Proper Flanking, Favored Class, and Call of the Wild. jfc he's a savant

I'm considering just bribing him to add Arcane Hierophant into the mod.

 

[Yosharian]

OK, boys and girls, I found it! I found what triggers the fucking "gender swap" bug. It assigns you, randomly, the gender of the last person you've levelled up. So just make sure to always level up the main character first, and this will never happen again.

..... seriously?

 

[Testownia]

OK, boys and girls, I found it! I found what triggers the fucking "gender swap" bug. It assigns you, randomly, the gender of the last person you've levelled up. So just make sure to always level up the main character first, and this will never happen again.

..... seriously?

Yes, thank the Lord for my OCD. It comes useful once in a while.

 

[Desiderius]

Holic. Fucking. Shit.

He just updated Proper Flanking, Favored Class, and Call of the Wild. jfc he's a savant

And he did fix Healer's Way after giving me the not a bug treatment. As usual.

Luv ya Holic, mean it!

 

[Nano]

OK, boys and girls, I found it! I found what triggers the fucking "gender swap" bug. It assigns you, randomly, the gender of the last person you've levelled up. So just make sure to always level up the main character first last, and this will never happen again.

Really? In my experience the gender swap bug only happens shortly after loading a save. Afterwards it seemingly resets and the proper pronouns are used in the journal and stuff.

 

[Testownia]

OK, boys and girls, I found it! I found what triggers the fucking "gender swap" bug. It assigns you, randomly, the gender of the last person you've levelled up. So just make sure to always level up the main character first last, and this will never happen again.

Really? In my experience the gender swap bug only happens shortly after loading a save. Afterwards it seemingly resets and the proper pronouns are used in the journal and stuff.

I mean what triggers the entries in the journal/kingdom management to "write down" the wrong gender of the main character is what I described. The earliest point when that can occur, as far as I've observed, is getting the "Tuskgutter" quest which adds an entry to Amiri's biography. There's a line where the main character is gendered, and it can be screwed up.

 

[Nano]

The earliest point when that can occur, as far as I've observed, is getting the "Tuskgutter" quest which adds an entry to Amiri's biography.

Earliest one is actually the Nymph's quest that she gives you after defending Oleg's post.

 

[Testownia]

The earliest point when that can occur, as far as I've observed, is getting the "Tuskgutter" quest which adds an entry to Amiri's biography.

Earliest one is actually the Nymph's quest that she gives you after defending Oleg's post.

Huh... didn't notice that one. Good catch.

 

[Fronder]

Post your build and equipped items

I think WIS to AC on Monk is that AC Bonus, but that could also be the AC Bonus you get every four levels leaving the Other as WIS to AC.

Looks like Saint was splashed merely for Dueling Sword + Focus then three levels of Swordlord?

This is what (worthless) Touch AC addiction gets you. Don’t do dis.

Nothing untyped here.

The "build" is Sword Saint 1/Aldori Defender 6/Trad Monk 2/Vivi 2/Archaeologist 2 (I didn't really plan it; SS 5/Duelist 5 ++ would have been better I think).

The wis to AC is what is marked as Other: +4 (AC Bonus). WTF is Other: +6 I still have no idea.

Anyway, managed to kill Bane of the Living at lvl 13 straight out of Varnhold (on hard) with the default companions. It took me an hour to figure out the tactics, but then I've managed to kill it two times in a row (I quitted the game and forgot to save). High AC on the main and wand of true strike+prescient attack on Regongar is enough. The problem is I don't have anyone to wield the ECB .

Also, Linzi as a simple Bard 7/Freeboter 5 gives so much bonuses to attack, it's hilarious. I probably have to swith to unfair to continue the game.

 

[Desiderius]

Yes, just think how much you’d get with Linzi as Bard 12 and Amiri as Freebooter5/Barb7 with Inspire Ferocity.

The splashes on your main aren’t that bad since they all give you something unique (like Uncanny Dodge). That screenshot is from a similar test we did last year.

 

[Yosharian]

Post your build and equipped items

The "build" is Sword Saint 1/Aldori Defender 6/Trad Monk 2/Vivi 2/Archaeologist 2 (I didn't really plan it; SS 5/Duelist 5 ++ would have been better I think).

The wis to AC is what is marked as Other: +4 (AC Bonus). WTF is Other: +6 I still have no idea.

Anyway, managed to kill Bane of the Living at lvl 13 straight out of Varnhold (on hard) with the default companions. It took me an hour to figure out the tactics, but then I've managed to kill it two times in a row (I quitted the game and forgot to save). High AC on the main and wand of true strike+prescient attack on Regongar is enough. The problem is I don't have anyone to wield the ECB .

Yeah that is a tough fight.

Hmm I don't see anything in your classes that would give a +6 bonus like that. Weird. Usually I would have assumed it was some kind of INT to AC from SS or Duelist but it doesn't look like that is it.

The only other thing it could be is an item that's giving you an untyped AC bonus but I can't think of anything like that that gives such a huge bonus.

Btw you know you can respec at the tavern right? I would definitely take more SS levels.

 

[Desiderius]

Looking through my screenshots I saw Swordlord Adaptive Tactics spelled out in one shot and untyped in another. The other time I've seen a big untyped like that was when it was double-counting Shield Mastery (which is an ability that cancels a malus).

 

[Jackpot]

I want to play an Aldori Defender and maybe a Swordlord later on.
My problem is that I want my character to be chaotic since all my previous playthroughs were lawful, which means no monk dip.
Should I made an Aldori Defender dex-based without a monk dip, or can I make them str-based?

 

[Desiderius]

DEX is fine, don’t need dip. Swordlord and Steel Net let you fight defensively and use Combat Expertise with little penalty.

If you use CotW mod you can get Agile Maneuvers via Adopted Social Trait. Disarm is really good and CotW lets you use it as single attack replacement (as in PnP) instead of Standard Action. Dazzling Blade also helps.

This is my favorite MC. DEX and CHR. Keep STR at 12 since cost isn’t high and lets you do OK damage until you get Deft Strike.

 

[Jvegi]

The game gets a bit better. I hope all those game-breaking bugs are fixed because it's not good enough for me to endure any bullshit of that sort.

 

[Desiderius]

I have yet to encounter a game-breaking bug or anything close really. Bought the game five months after release.

 

[Gargaune]

I bought PFKM at release and didn't encounter any game-breaking bugs merely on account of my slow progress through it. And then Owlcat got the game in reasonably solid shape by Christmas 2018.

 

[Fronder]

I want to play an Aldori Defender and maybe a Swordlord later on.
My problem is that I want my character to be chaotic since all my previous playthroughs were lawful, which means no monk dip.
Should I made an Aldori Defender dex-based without a monk dip, or can I make them str-based?

I am playing as AD now and I started with 8 str, but I took Slashing Grace at lvl 2. What is more important, in my opinion, is getting either Mirror Image or Uncanny dodge. Thus, I think, a mix of Sword Saint/Aldori works better.

Also, I didn't think about it at the beginning, but after Varnhold I was tempted to go dual wielding with Dueling swords (there are enough ABs to pull it off). Although, in the end, I just took feral mutagen for offhand claw+bite.

Yeah that is a tough fight.

Hmm I don't see anything in your classes that would give a +6 bonus like that. Weird. Usually I would have assumed it was some kind of INT to AC from SS or Duelist but it doesn't look like that is it.

The only other thing it could be is an item that's giving you an untyped AC bonus but I can't think of anything like that that gives such a huge bonus.

Btw you know you can respec at the tavern right? I would definitely take more SS levels.

I think respec is a form of cheating (due to the length of the game), so I don't use it.

Anyway, the Wicked Chanter just wiped the floor with my party. Repeatedly. After about an hour of absolutely futile attempts, I've finallly managed to kill him by using Dimension door (in and out) and obliterating him in one round before he casts anything. I believe that was the first time in 20 years of playing CRPGs where I've actually used teleportation for something useful. PF:K just keeps on delivering

 

[Desiderius]

Alright some very cool CotW stuff:

New Class Sage Counselor:

Some prior reading:

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Feint

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/improved-feint-combat

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/greater-feint-combat

Spoiler

(Improved) Feint lets you use a Move Action to take a Bluff check to remove your foe's DEX bonus (more or less leave them flat-footed) for your next attack. It's normally kind of clunky to set up and not great action economy without a heavy Feat investment etc, etc... but this class sets everything up for you.

Cunning Fist also sets you up for the good Combat Maneuvers without having to burn the creation points to get to 13 INT. Nice if you want to be a certain Orphaned Tiefling.

Deceptive Ki looks like it could be micromanagement intensive but there's usually ways to automate these kind of things once you get used to them and the +4 Insight is a unique effect that's nice to get there against bosses.

You get Improved Feint for free at level 2 and Greater at level 6 which is very early. Greater is so important because it makes the effect last until your next turn (for a full attack for instance). So early you're setting up CMs, late you're setting up your iteratives (don't need Shatter and that Feat tax).

CotW also brings you this, which is noteworthy. Through the minor Traits you start the game with you can get WIS to Diplomacy, WIS to Bluff, WIS to pretty much every other skill:

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/religion-traits/wisdom-in-the-flesh-god-of-perfection/

And you can get INT to Intimidate, but as far as I can tell you can't get WIS to Intimidate, which means the usual ways to get things flatfooted like Cornugan and Shatter require some CHR.

Whereas with this Archetype and the Cunning Liar Regional Trait you can do everything with WIS and don't need CHR at all.

 

[Axioms]

Wisdom in the Flesh is kinda meh because Intrepid Volunteer could already put Athletics to Dexterity.

I mean in what cases will you care about a Str or even Dex skill going to Wis? On the other hand if they added the Healer background from WotR to CotW for Kingmaker you could straight up dump Wis. Steadfast Personality to use Cha for the saves, Healer and a 2 Dip into investigator to get Perception to INT as well as both Lores, and bam, who needs Wis? The only other stat you can so thoroughly replace is Strength with dex based damage and intrepid volunteer to put athletics into Dex.

 

[Desiderius]

This is the new Oracle Archetype Hermit:

Spoiler

Medium Distance is a long way. Move action Teleport leaves a Standard Action for a Charge. It's enough times per day to position yourself pretty much every fight, which is really important since you have to really be flanking to turn on Flanking in CotW and you want to be on the other side of the mobs to avoid giving them Soft Cover.

Nature Mystery gives you Barkskin and you already have Shield of Faith. You also have Medium Armor and Shield Proficiency. If you have to save to get Good Hope that could be a pain. Free extend at lvl 5 is absolutely awesome for spamming Divine Favor/Strength tho, as is Immune to Charm/Compulsion and free Spell Resistance.

Fade from Memory also quickly become infinite use and so good to really turn down the heat from snipers. Combine with Missile Shield to really draw the attention away from your squishies.

Ideal for spells that effect all creatures centered on yourself.

You can also go Hybrid with Seeker to get +4 Spell Pen (!) and the Concentration will also come in handy if you're jumping behind enemy lines. That logo with the 1 on it is one of the best in the game. Here it means Perception and Trickery as class skills and 1/2 per level bonus. The purple circle lowers Metamagic level cost but still think you have to deal with the crippling casting time penalty Spontaneous Casters get when using Metamagic. There are Feats for that.

 

[Desiderius]

Wisdom in the Flesh is kinda meh because Intrepid Volunteer could already put Athletics to Dexterity.

I mean in what cases will you care about a Str or even Dex skill going to Wis? On the other hand if they added the Healer background from WotR to CotW for Kingmaker you could straight up dump Wis. Steadfast Personality to use Cha for the saves, Healer and a 2 Dip into investigator to get Perception to INT as well as both Lores, and bam, who needs Wis? The only other stat you can so thoroughly replace is Strength with dex based damage and intrepid volunteer to put athletics into Dex.

There is so much wrong with this you may as well be playing a different game. I have no idea what you're even trying to accomplish.

Why in the world would you ever waste Intrepid Volunteer on Athletics? It gives you Agile Maneuvers for free for God's sake!

You would want things going to WIS because you're a Monk. Obviously. What are you even talking about?