Putting the 'role' back in role-playing games since 2002.
Donate to Codex
Good Old Games
  • Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.

Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

Funposter

Arcane
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
1,773
Location
Australia
worth it to level jaethal as a cleric instead of using harrim?

LoL I forgot Jaethal :D She can handle healing with some help from Jubilost. Can easly replace Harrim and she really brings nice perception and undead immunites to party.
i'd been using amiri and linzi throughout act 1, so i guess i'll switch them out for nok-nok and jubilost when the times comes. picked up a save file from like six months ago and have just been bumbling through until now so i plan to respec everyone.
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
Bard is the most important party member. You can use Linzi, Val, Jae, or Reg.

Straight Inq on Jae gets dominant by midgame, but you also want a Cleric for Archon’s Aura and Positive Channeling is handy.

I don’t know why people try to do Reach on Harrim. He doesn’t have Martial Prof so has to use a shitty Longspear or burn a Feat and you waste the Feat he already burned on Heavy and his racial bonus vs Giants.

If you want Reach Cleric use Tristian then switch out for Harrim to tank vs Giants (Troll and Zombies also count). Use both for Vord.

The Jewb/Okbo package is broken. Play at own risk. In any case doesn’t replace Bard, it accentuates it.

Stop playing LE - the edge is too thin for everyone to fit there. It’s not the Good that’s weak, it’s you.

Git gud.
 

LannTheStupid

Товарищ
Patron
Joined
Nov 14, 2016
Messages
3,195
Location
Soviet Union
Pathfinder: Wrath
CE on Hard is OK in Vordakai Tomb. The only thing I had to change is replace the Herald Caller of Urgathoa Jaethal to pure bard Linzi, because, apparently, Dirge of Doom works on zombie cyclops. And Tristian is almost mandatory there anyway.
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
But you can’t linger it anymore so you lose Inspire Courage. +3/+3 whole team is no joke, especially on top of +2/+2 from Good Hope.

Bard is OW in a tough spot there since weak save is generally Reflex and tough for Bards to attack that. Linzi can always tank with Cautious Fighter, Reduce, and Image/Blur.
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
Shatter adds more than +3/+3.

And I am not using Linzi for tanking. She is pure support throwing javelins to be closer to the frontline.

You should be. She does fuck all damage with Javs and you're wasting Cautious/Image and Improved Crit Rapier Outflank. Plus it puts her in position for her Cones.

I'm getting Shatter too with her DD, but not in Vord's since that would be cheating and I don't think it works anyway.
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
Can you do me a favor and define art? Tell me what art is, instead of what it isn't.
Isn't it like the definition of pornography? "I know it when I see it"? Or "hear", "play", "drink" as some particular art may go?

Not really - the guy was using the ineffability of higher forms as a cop out to avoid coming to terms with the very real/concrete/specific/material concerns behind the black letter law and the historical jurisprudence he was ignoring. Non-retarded conservatives are good at calling out this shit.

As for what art is (or any other ineffable concept) a good start at getting a handle is to employ some decent teleology/look at efficient causes.

Life (order v chaos) is a hack on the problem of existence (being v non-being), Sexual reproduction (good v evil) on life, and art/play (re-creation) a hack on sexual reproduction which after all turns out to be pretty slow. This is what Jesus was discussing with Nicodemus.

And yet there are some problems/environmental shifts so profound (such as the printing press) that they only lend themselves to solutions that involve hardware changes (organic life - i.e. reproduction) rather than mere re-creation on the part of the organism or system of organisms itself.

There are those (trans and fans) that become so enamored of the latter that they imagine that the former has become obsolete and thus fall into worshipping evil or at minimum disregarding the Good. They are mistaken.
 

LannTheStupid

Товарищ
Patron
Joined
Nov 14, 2016
Messages
3,195
Location
Soviet Union
Pathfinder: Wrath
As for what art is (or any other ineffable concept) a good start at getting a handle is to employ some decent teleology/look at efficient causes.
Teleoloiogy - is it when the first partner of a woman defines all of her children for the rest of her life? At least in Russian it is.

The rest is moot, because art is a non-refutable concept. Pink Eye showed it in a positive example; I would say that anything can be considered and sold as art at some point to some audience. This is the difference between art and the third Newton's law.

Speaking of Linzi: I use her as a dedicated support character, and I hate to swap armor for casting. So I am playing none of the builds that risk arcane failure. As for cones - for me it is simpler to walk her forward.
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
If art were entirely non-refutable(?) then "Arts and Sciences" would be meaningless. Art v Science is concrete v abstract, practice v theory, real v ideal, particular v general etc...

Swap armor? What are you talking about? Whole point of Bard is that you can cast Arcane in Armor and Shield (including Tower on Val!) with no failure. Not like she could handle Medium or Heavy with her strength in any case.

If you walk her forward with a Jav equipped you're asking for a bunch of AoOs to the face.

Git gud.
 

LannTheStupid

Товарищ
Patron
Joined
Nov 14, 2016
Messages
3,195
Location
Soviet Union
Pathfinder: Wrath
This is art:
Yes, it is. Or no, it is not.

As I said: the definition of art is non-refutable, so everything is art for one and not art for another. For me it is a well-thought-out demonstration of usefulness of the mycologists to uneducated masses that are paying taxes.

We had a better system back then: the "masses" consisted of one person, and if he did not like the demo the scientists were sent to GULAG.

Also, I would like to transfer this discussion somewhere else or stop it altogether.

Also, modding must be destroyed.
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
Agreed, let's wrap up with some Nietzsche speaking to your CE throw-your-hands-up-in-the-air nihilism:

 

LannTheStupid

Товарищ
Patron
Joined
Nov 14, 2016
Messages
3,195
Location
Soviet Union
Pathfinder: Wrath
It's telling that you are not, actually, citing Nietzsche himself - but some American twittertard who interprets Nietzsche. Reminds me of your Bezhukov and interpretations of Tolstoy.
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
It's telling that you are not, actually, citing Nietzsche himself - but some American twittertard who interprets Nietzsche. Reminds me of your Bezhukov and interpretations of Tolstoy.

Lol, the full quote is there to read. Your "interpretation" is an obvious joke. Twitter is just a more convenient format. Cope harder, retard.
 

Serus

Arcane
Patron
Joined
Jul 16, 2005
Messages
6,680
Location
Small but great planet of Potatohole
YieNcE3.png
I was hoping you'd use your own words instead of running to the dictionary, but that will have to do. Now, can you explain why no videogame ever made is "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination"?
Oooh you walked right into that one man
But explain me how a shit placed in an art gallery is not "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination" as well then? Seriously.
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
You've completely lost the plot, Serus.

Friendly fire is a bad look, man.
 

Serus

Arcane
Patron
Joined
Jul 16, 2005
Messages
6,680
Location
Small but great planet of Potatohole
You've completely lost the plot, Serus.

Friendly fire is a bad look, man.
Please explain? What "friendly fire"? I didn't know we are on a battle field. Or that anyone that i know solely on the Internet is my "friend". I must got lost... or maybe you did?

And instead of "picardidng" my posts all the time (i like that emoticon too) what is your view on my actual post, when you are not doing the ad hominems - as gentle and elegant as they admittedly are. Is my example art or not?
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
Why would I assume you were on my side if I were ad homineming you?

You're making no sense, man. People bitched about the decadence of Opera for a hundred years. It's all so tiresome and beside the point.

You know this.

Is my example art or not?

It would insult your intelligence were I to pretend you didn't already know the answer to that.

I didn't know we are on a battle field.

Pathos or bathos. Those are your choices on this mortal coil, and pathos is a team sport.
 

Yosharian

Arcane
Joined
May 28, 2018
Messages
9,420
Location
Grand Chien
I was hoping you'd use your own words instead of running to the dictionary, but that will have to do. Now, can you explain why no videogame ever made is "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination"?
Oooh you walked right into that one man
But explain me how a shit placed in an art gallery is not "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination" as well then? Seriously.
I dunno haha I'm just saying if we go by the dictionary definition then that applies to a LOT of things
 

Yosharian

Arcane
Joined
May 28, 2018
Messages
9,420
Location
Grand Chien
someone recommend party comp for lawful evil sorc since i am too lazy to think
I'm actually designing a party like that right now. It uses two Undead tanks. The concept is more or less defined as, no right clickers allowed, only offensive spellcasting and summons. (Jaethal technically auto attacks but she's optimized for tanking, will do almost no damage)

It's on my steam page but I haven't finished it yet, some of the info is just placeholder atm
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
Why would you go by the dictionary definition.

If you're that autistic at least get a decent dictionary. Webster's Second Unabridged is a good one but can't beat the original OED.
 
Last edited:

Xamenos

Magister
Patron
Joined
Feb 4, 2020
Messages
1,256
Pathfinder: Wrath
I was hoping you'd use your own words instead of running to the dictionary, but that will have to do. Now, can you explain why no videogame ever made is "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination"?
Oooh you walked right into that one man
But explain me how a shit placed in an art gallery is not "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination" as well then? Seriously.
You tell me. You're the one who posted the dictionary definition. You're the one who thinks that art is "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination". So stop evading you squirming worm and tell me, why does this not apply to any videogame ever made?

edit: I just noticed you're not actually the one who did. My apologies. I'm still waiting for that guy's answer.
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
Patron
Joined
Jul 22, 2019
Messages
14,131
Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
He’s trying to play the same game. I have no idea why they do this. Only thing they’re conserving is soulless nihilism.

Owlcat has nailed the type with Hulrun even if it’s overdone (shld also be able to Restore him if you pass the check).
 

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.
Back
Top Bottom