Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Desiderius]

Authority sounds like author for a reason. Game simulates the results of anti-Authoritarianism pretty faithfully coming up soon.

 

[LannTheStupid]

The game simulates what an authoritarian regime should do with its enemies. And what our leadership should have done 35 years ago.

 

[Desiderius]

As usual the point goes over your head.

The Author of your regime had his name restored to your most beautiful city around that time. If his descendants had been as authoritarian as he was it would never have been defaced by that Kalmyk punk in the first place.

 

[Nikanuur]

I hope it"s gramatically correct

 

[Desiderius]

I hope it"s gramatically correct

I sort of get where that's going but that's a pretty low effort use of that meme. What does grammar have to do with anything?

http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/arnold/writings/4.html

 

[Nikanuur]

I hate to leave people hanging, but I don't really know what to say. So I'll go corellate to the corner.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

rammar have to do with anything?

Authors man.

 

[Desiderius]

Grammar concerns the proper construction and interpretation of sentences (and paragraphs, etc...).

Maybe you mean etymology?

 

[Nevermore]

The playthrough I've waited for.

 

[ELEXmakesMeHard]

This video is kinda hopw roewur ne (imagine unironically linking BBC... ), but it reminds me of how I was actively trying to kill Linzi throughout my first P:KM playthrough.

 

[mediocrepoet]

The playthrough I've waited for.

It would've been better pre-nerf. Balancemeister vs. the swarms! now with audio commentary.

That'd be worth pay per view.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Actually, serious question. Do you think that Sawyer playing PFK will lead to him finally understanding why people like isometric D&D-ish CRPGs, or do you think the inherent imbalances in this particular game will break his mind?

 

[Desiderius]

He already knows - he experienced it himself. The disconnect is that he has to believe that his own experiences are too unique to be replicated among a player base big enough to pay his salary.

 

[Israfael]

The disconnect is that he has to believe that his own experiences are too unique to be replicated among a player base big enough to pay his salary.

Wasn't Sawyer explaining his choices in making of the Pillars of Boredom systems with the fact that he was bored with D&D and believed it to be unbalanced? That's why you have to make strength affect the power of your spells and intelligence affect your aoe radius...

 

[LannTheStupid]

From what I had seen Mr. Sawyer wanted to get rid of "must-have and must-dump stats". In his words, those stats "make the game mechanic more generic". Consequently, he had to make every stat useful for every class, thus creating muscled mages and intelligent barbarians. And making bland and generic all the classes.

On the other hand, Pillars of Eternity is the best game to implement Vilgefortz of Roggeveen as he was described in "The Witcher" series. He beat Geralt in a melee duel almost to death and broke his witcher sword.

 

[Desiderius]

The disconnect is that he has to believe that his own experiences are too unique to be replicated among a player base big enough to pay his salary.

Wasn't Sawyer explaining his choices in making of the Pillars of Boredom systems with the fact that he was bored with D&D and believed it to be unbalanced? That's why you have to make strength affect the power of your spells and intelligence affect your aoe radius...

No that was good. It wasn’t D&D that was boring it was the great MMO dumb down that made only one or two stats important to each class so you could (and should - the no brainer was the problem, engaging the brain is the whole point) dump the rest with no repercussions.

No the problem was when he got rid of the things that by his own account made him fall in love with gaming in the first place like adventuring spells and pre-buffing (altogether - streamlining/automating it using a system like the one that exists in Deadfire for in-combat spells would have been great) because he saw some guy not get them right away and decided that meant that only the mighty Soyer could appreciate such things and that to bring his games to the masses he needed sadly to eliminate them.

 

[ELEXmakesMeHard]

Just realized what art I'm going to use for my portrait, on my first lawful evil run.

I guess I can imagine that Philippa is Octavia.

Spoiler

 

[Average Manatee]

Playing this for the first time. Think I'm at the end of Chapter 2? I finished the troll questline and the hill stop is about to do something. Been fine doing fights but the whole kingdom stuff is bewildering.

Questions:
- Should I really be spending 90% of my time ranking up advisors? It seems like such a shit payoff aside from the possibility of getting extra advisors so I've been ignoring it aside from that. Ranking up only gets 0.5 BP (since currently half is taxed away) a month for 14 days of time. I can be way more efficiently using my time clearing out maps. I cleared out South Narlmarches and the troll questline in about the same 14 day period (only rested twice and just pushed through exhaustion for easy areas) and brought home like 500 BP. Is this a mistake that's going to bite me in the ass later? I spent the rest of the time clearing out kamelands, dire narlmarches, and silverstep.
- Most buildings seem trash. Costs like 150 minimum to get 10 stat points then you spend 14 days to rank up and get 0.5 BP a month. So, like, it literally takes 25 years to pay off the investment, which I assume is outside the game time frame. I assume there's buildings to actually generate BP, where do I find them? I feel like I'm starved for BP income and missing something. I have a town but that only unlocked new buildings that were a worse investment than before. I do feel like I apparently fucked up a lot not getting teleportation circles early, that seems to be the only thing villages are useful for at the moment and which will become essential when exploring far away regions. My current stats are 50 community, 67 loyalty, 52 military, 81 economy, 12 relations, 48 divine, 13 arcane, 16 stability, 19 culture, 5 espionage. Building stuff for stats is just so fucking expensive, especially arcane.

Spoiler

Kingdom economics in this game unironically feels like socialist economics simulator where 99% of your cash is spent on stuff that is an awful investment which makes no sense and you can only survive by either stumbling across free money or constantly pillaging new lands for shit to sell. The game offers low tax/free trade options but really we all know the real money is made by repurposing wealth from the kulaks

- Is it a bad idea to finish the main quests early? Solving events seems by far the best way to get stat points with each one pulling in literally hundreds of BPs worth of stat points per month, with some events even also paying me hundreds of BPs, but these completely dried up almost immediately after the troll trouble quest finish and many of my advisors sit around with nothing to do (because all these projects are shit too). It feels like I was making like 1000 BPs worth of free shit from events early on but now for the months since finishing Troll Trouble that's gone down to like 200.
- Since advisors add their stats to their rolls, should I avoid using non-party member advisors since I can't boost their stats? It seems like in the long run you are just gimping yourself. Also doesn't this make both Valerie and Octavia awful as Regent since who the fuck would level Charisma on a Wizard or Fighter? Is switching out advisors a completely free action with no downside?

Currently running:
Myself (Sorcerer)
Valerie
Amiri
Harrim
Linzi
Octavia

and have been kicking ass so far. I call it my Harrim&Harem party. Very standard party (all just leveled in their started class, fuck Octavia wasting a level in rogue) because I don't want to have to figure out all these weird special classes. My brain just about melted down when I spent half an hour trying to read through all of the various kineticist stuff in order to level hot tiefling girl, then 2 minutes later I realize I have to level a 2nd build and that my 1st build was actually better suited for the 2nd version and fuck it even her being hot isn't worth going through that trouble. Maybe in a second playthrough I'll try all the weird classes.

 

[The_Mask]

I'm not sure if you want spoilers, so I'm going to keep it short, in the style of Dark Souls signs, as much as possible.

- Should I really be spending 90% of my time ranking up advisors?

At the stage of the game you're at, yes.

Is it a bad idea to finish the main quests early?

No.

Since advisors add their stats to their rolls, should I avoid using non-party member advisors since I can't boost their stats?

Party members are better because you don't have to waste money and time, but NPC advisors can reach the same quality, if necessary.

Also doesn't this make both Valerie and Octavia awful as Regent since who the fuck would level Charisma on a Wizard or Fighter?

Some people like to multi-class. Nothing in P:K is placed there for the wrong reason; odds are you haven't figured why it's placed there yet.

Is switching out advisors a completely free action with no downside?

Yes.

 

[LannTheStupid]

To the overwhelmed redditor with molten brain: set the game difficulty to "Normal", Kingdom Management to "Effortless", stick your head in a bucket of cold water and have a good time.

 

[Average Manatee]

Is it a bad idea to finish the main quests early?

No.

Why? Am I wrong that the main quest causes more events to spawn and be solvable for free stats, or is it due to general bad things happening? Wasn't planning to put everything off to the last second just not to rush them.

Also doesn't this make both Valerie and Octavia awful as Regent since who the fuck would level Charisma on a Wizard or Fighter?

Some people like to multi-class. Nothing in P:K is placed there for the wrong reason; odds are you haven't figured why it's placed there yet.

Yeah, no. Valerie can't multiclass to paladin (not that a Paladin should be leveling Charisma much past the minimum for level 4 spells since it's a melee class that needs physical stats more), and there is no reason in hell that a rogue/wizard should ever be leveling Charisma since no Charisma-based caster would stack with Wizard for spell progression and wasting two whole levels on Rogue 1/Wizard 1/Sorcerer X would be the biggest joke of a build ever.

 

[The_Mask]

Why?

In most cases, making sure that your kingdom survives to see another day > everything. In most cases. There can be times when dealing with kingdom threatening problems can be postponed, but that requires a certain knowledge of the game. Which you don't have, yet.

Yeah, no.

There are other charisma-dependent classes, that can function with a modicum of charisma just fine, and benefit from a high CON character.

I like you, though. You're using your head.

 

[Average Manatee]

To the overwhelmed redditor with molten brain: set the game difficulty to "Normal", Kingdom Management to "Effortless", stick your head in a bucket of cold water and have a good time.

If the game actually let you see feats and abilities and shit it would be bearable. Instead I have to alt tab and traverse a hundred wiki links to read basic essential information about what a kineticist does and all the various elements/feats/abilities (and the wiki for this game is trash and unfinished so you have to then search elsewhere for about half the abilities to figure out what they really do). It's a clusterfuck and there's no excuse for not having a simple list of everything in the encyclopedia.

There are other charisma-dependent classes, that can function with a modicum of charisma just fine, and benefit from a high CON character.

I like you, though. You're using your head.

If you want to maximize your Regent you need maximum charisma, not a modicum. There's no other class that would be maximizing Charisma aside from Sorcerer/Bard (awful for already stated reasons of spell progression not stacking). If you are just leaving their stats at +2 charisma bonus rather than leveling to +7-10 then its still an awful choice to have them in the regent slot.

 

[The_Mask]

Hover your mouse across each level, and right-click. I think that should help.

 

[Average Manatee]

Hover your mouse across each level, and right-click. I think that should help.

That doesn't tell you 1/10th of what you need to know about a class.