KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Thonius]

I gave in with all this shilling here and bought it. Got my first hilarious bug in char gen. I can only type two letters at the same time, so I can only have names like Yyaaggoorr.

I hope you rolled Barbarian.

 

[Whisper]

Lousy stats for companions so Hard on story ones is around Challenging with custom.

 

[Andnjord]

Making my way through the Troll Lair at the moment, party of lvl6 toons. So far so good, Ekundayo is a bloody machine gun with the Devourer of Metal (+1d6 acid damage, perfect for Troll killing)!

EDIT: Also, Hasted Enlarged Amiri using Cleave is just hilarious

EDIT 2: Just saw Eky inflict a 76 damage crit! At lvl6! :D

 

[Whisper]

Guys, lets petition ability to respec story characters?

I dont see how Unfair is possible witht them, unless heavy RNG reloading till you get more levels and grab some feats, change classes etc. to make them playable.

 

[Whisper]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/3393916911744519388/?ctp=10

I certainly think they need to add a respec for companions, some of their stats are downright atrocious. They can keep the same class to fit their lore.

 

[Sykar]

Did Kingmaker buff monks? I don't remember them having full BAB progression in pathfinder.

Now that makes we want to try out monks. I always felt it was silly that they got the mediocre BAB progression, even though they are supposed to be masters of unarmed combat. Their special abilities rarely made up for the lack of BAB.

 

[toro]

There is one quest where someone will try to curse you.

But it didn't worked on me because ... I was already cursed.

 

[Thonius]

HEY GUYS LET'S PETITION ABILITY TO STOP WARS WORLD HUNGER AND SHIT!
Edit: The only problem I see is that SORC can't swap spells. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they should have ability to swap every 5 lvl's? Right? (in PnP)

 

[Abu Antar]

Their community manager is ill and has left the team. Hope he recovers. I also hope that someone will give me my key. Here’s hoping.

 

[moleman]

PCGamer review is out:

https://www.pcgamer.com/pathfinder-kingmaker-review/

"A good RPG with some unique ideas, but one that ultimately plays it too safe to really stand out from the crowd."

69

Edit:
Quick reminder: they gave Deadfire a 88 and Bard's Tale 4 a 84.

 

[Thonius]

Lousy stats for companions so Hard on story ones is around Challenging with custom.

Actualy if you get a calculator you will see that Valerie is 27 points char, while your hero is 25 and everyone except INQ undead elf is 20 points buy.

 

[Thonius]

PCGamer review is out:

https://www.pcgamer.com/pathfinder-kingmaker-review/

"A good RPG with some unique ideas, but one that ultimately plays it too safe to really stand out from the crowd."

69

Edit:
Quick reminder: they gave Deadfire a 88 and Bard's Tale 4 a 84.

Lol I quess Dragon Age 2 was revolution...
EDIT: they just checked Steam reviews and saw 69% positive. ctrl c ctrl v
EDIT 2: They used screens from steam. I ques screenshot is a separate Item on their price list.

 

[AwesomeButton]

What "crowd"? Dumbfucks.

 

[toro]

As both a player and a DM for over 20 years

you should join the club and write your steam review.

There is no point. When you have fucked the game system in such a fundamental way, there really is no turning back. As I said before in another game: That is why you must always get the mechanics right the first time, because once you have fucked that up, your game is fucked. You can only hope that the players are OK with the fucked version because of other factors like graphics and story.

Play the game and stfu.

 

[Jinn]

Those fucking morons at PCGamer, I swear.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

PCGamer review is out:

https://www.pcgamer.com/pathfinder-kingmaker-review/

"A good RPG with some unique ideas, but one that ultimately plays it too safe to really stand out from the crowd."

69

Edit:
Quick reminder: they gave Deadfire a 88 and Bard's Tale 4 a 84.

Lol I quess Dragon Age 2 was revolution...
EDIT: they just checked Steam reviews and saw 69% positive. ctrl c ctrl v
EDIT 2: They used screens from steam. I ques screenshot is a separate Item on their price list.

From this review

The writing in the game is, in general, solid and full of character, but a little flat compared to the beautifully rich, evocative prose seen in genre mates such as Pillars or Torment—which are, admittedly, hard acts for any RPG developer to follow

 

[Elex]

69% On Reviews. 1% to mostly Positive!!!

that explain the pc gamer review:
https://www.pcgamer.com/pathfinder-kingmaker-review/

 

[Doma]

PCGamer review is out:

https://www.pcgamer.com/pathfinder-kingmaker-review/

"A good RPG with some unique ideas, but one that ultimately plays it too safe to really stand out from the crowd."

69

Edit:
Quick reminder: they gave Deadfire a 88 and Bard's Tale 4 a 84.

plays it too safe???

wat

 

[Thonius]

What "crowd"? Dumbfucks.

Why, such gems as Mass Erect 4 or whatever, Bugs Tale 4, Weeb's Chronicle 4 and Dumble Age 3, SkypeSimulator 2 (Dudfire 2) and Declinity: Curse of Armor 2

 

[Sykar]

Another review from Steam:

I've been playing Pathfinder pen&paper since it came out. Played all the predecessors from AD&D 1st edition to D20 modern for about 30 years. I was enthusiastic about this and backed it on Kickstarter for a silly amount.

In it's current state, I'm terribly sorry, stay away from this travesty as far as you can.

The designers have not understood a single thing about Pathfinder, and they killed the game system, all strategy and tactics and the entire fun of it with atrocious balancing and incredibly inept design choices.
Actually, I like my games complex, hard to learn and difficult. But there is "clever difficult" and "bloody stupid difficult".
Clever difficulty makes you rethink your tactics, build a better character, experiment, try combinations of spells and abilities that work best and optimize your equipment to match your strategy. Bloody stupid difficult removes all that, because mindlessly inflated numbers on the enemies simply make them immune to everything but dumb reloading until you roll a 20.
And most of this game is so far on the bloody stupid difficult side, it's actually totally broken imo.

And I'm actually not talking about the higher difficulty levels. The sliders simply move a broken balance from "constant tedium, because the only strategy that works is to reload until the dice roll incredibly well." to "completely, mathematically untouchable enemies". And the difficulty sliders show - painfully - that the designers have no idea how Pathfinder works. Moving the sliders up makes enemies that are already a joke unhittable, have godlike stats (like, things with 26+ strength against a level 2 party of 4), immune to all "saving throw: negates" spells and basically one-hit your barbarian every time...

But even on normal or easy difficuly you will constantly run into completely silly encounters, things with DR 10 at level 2, level 11 enemies for a level 3 party (and NOT when exploring, but as a random encounter while questing) or 2 hasted, poisonous, DR 10 Manticores that eat your level 5 party in a single round. Oh, and mind the single leopard that ate my party...
Basically, like my DM telling me randomly "and, by the way, you're dead - no saving throw!" time and again.

What adds insult to injury is that while the enemies are aliens from planet cheat, the companions you get are tweedledee and tweedledumber. You get a badly built barbarian, a terribly built fighter (who has a paladin's stats, but was built as a tower shield specialist) and a bard (sic) in the beginning. No cleric if your main character isn't one (and, anyone ever mentioned that a healer in Pathfinder is absolutely NOT optional?). No, one cleric companion is only available if you follow a certain path (no previous warning) and the second one - an obscure subclass who will not wear armor - is hidden behind one of the most silly fights in the early game.

You can't hire custom-built companions, because these are secured away behind an inane wall of money (2000 gold at level 2, 8000 at level 4 and so on), so you struggle for 20 hours with a suboptimal 4-character party with no proper healer...

I don't really know if the designers are just totally project-blind, drunk on the feedback from the "l33t skillZ" kids who like their games stupid difficult, simply incompetent, or plain malicious sadists who love to bore and frustrate me...

So, really, totally regret having to say that, but: no Pathfinder here. No fun at all.

Seems like playing the P&P version does not stop you from being a retard.

 

[moleman]

Quote from the PCGamer review:

"This is a brutally difficult game in places, to the point of feeling unbalanced, which developer Owlcat is addressing with a barrage of hotfixes and patches."

My game version is 1.0.3. Seems I missed that "barrage" somehow.

 

[Jinn]

This motherfucker Andy Kelley probably played for 20 hours tops, got his ass stomped repeatedly, then just went to steam reviews/forum to get the deadline done. Despicable.

 

[Thonius]

Another review from Steam:

I've been playing Pathfinder pen&paper since it came out. Played all the predecessors from AD&D 1st edition to D20 modern for about 30 years. I was enthusiastic about this and backed it on Kickstarter for a silly amount.

In it's current state, I'm terribly sorry, stay away from this travesty as far as you can.

The designers have not understood a single thing about Pathfinder, and they killed the game system, all strategy and tactics and the entire fun of it with atrocious balancing and incredibly inept design choices.
Actually, I like my games complex, hard to learn and difficult. But there is "clever difficult" and "bloody stupid difficult".
Clever difficulty makes you rethink your tactics, build a better character, experiment, try combinations of spells and abilities that work best and optimize your equipment to match your strategy. Bloody stupid difficult removes all that, because mindlessly inflated numbers on the enemies simply make them immune to everything but dumb reloading until you roll a 20.
And most of this game is so far on the bloody stupid difficult side, it's actually totally broken imo.

And I'm actually not talking about the higher difficulty levels. The sliders simply move a broken balance from "constant tedium, because the only strategy that works is to reload until the dice roll incredibly well." to "completely, mathematically untouchable enemies". And the difficulty sliders show - painfully - that the designers have no idea how Pathfinder works. Moving the sliders up makes enemies that are already a joke unhittable, have godlike stats (like, things with 26+ strength against a level 2 party of 4), immune to all "saving throw: negates" spells and basically one-hit your barbarian every time...

But even on normal or easy difficuly you will constantly run into completely silly encounters, things with DR 10 at level 2, level 11 enemies for a level 3 party (and NOT when exploring, but as a random encounter while questing) or 2 hasted, poisonous, DR 10 Manticores that eat your level 5 party in a single round. Oh, and mind the single leopard that ate my party...
Basically, like my DM telling me randomly "and, by the way, you're dead - no saving throw!" time and again.

What adds insult to injury is that while the enemies are aliens from planet cheat, the companions you get are tweedledee and tweedledumber. You get a badly built barbarian, a terribly built fighter (who has a paladin's stats, but was built as a tower shield specialist) and a bard (sic) in the beginning. No cleric if your main character isn't one (and, anyone ever mentioned that a healer in Pathfinder is absolutely NOT optional?). No, one cleric companion is only available if you follow a certain path (no previous warning) and the second one - an obscure subclass who will not wear armor - is hidden behind one of the most silly fights in the early game.

You can't hire custom-built companions, because these are secured away behind an inane wall of money (2000 gold at level 2, 8000 at level 4 and so on), so you struggle for 20 hours with a suboptimal 4-character party with no proper healer...

I don't really know if the designers are just totally project-blind, drunk on the feedback from the "l33t skillZ" kids who like their games stupid difficult, simply incompetent, or plain malicious sadists who love to bore and frustrate me...

So, really, totally regret having to say that, but: no Pathfinder here. No fun at all.

Seems like playing the P&P version does not stop you from being a retard.

This review reminded me that https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta

 

[ga♥]

Is there a way to disable the alignment indication during dialogues? It fucking kills muh immersion

 

[Thonius]

This motherfucker Andy Kelley probably played for 20 hours tops, got his ass stomped repeatedly, then just went to steam reviews/forum to get the deadline done. Despicable.

Ahem in his "review" he just used info from steam and trailer. There is NO reasons to believe that he played game at all.