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KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

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Damn. He get's hit with arcane spell failure even though he is a divine caster?

edit: Oh, I see. He can't cast spell at all in armor. Wow, what a shitty archetype.
 

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I thought of that as well, two level of that monk archetype that gives wisdom to attack rolls would be perfect for him. Except he's not lawful, so no monk for him. Make him a mystic theurge by taking levels in a wisdom focused sorcerer archetype instead, and keep his ass way back behind the frontline, that's what I did.
Except I feel like it will delay his progression too much.

It probably will, yes. He needs, what, four sorc levels and three cleric before he can take mystic theurge? So he will be 2 full spell level behind everyone. Ouch. At least he will have plenty of spells to throw around. That's the only thing he is remotely good at, that and healing.

What's the alternative? Maybe some kind of fighter dip to grab some freaking armor?

I've read that Eclesitheurge (however it's written lol) has spell failure as if it was an Arcane spell caster so getting armor feats is not useful.
I didn't actually test it, but the guy who wrote it claimed it from 1st hand experience and I have no reason to doubt it.
 

Monkeyfinger

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Party level 9. Leopard companion with all long term and medium buffs, but none of the short ones (haste, bard song, displacement, prayer).

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48 AC, 18 reflex save, evasion feat. Get enemies clustered on him and quad fireball the fight from way back, he shrugs it off. Now that's a main tank.. comes with a sylvan sorc too.
 
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I've read that Eclesitheurge (however it's written lol) has spell failure as if it was an Arcane spell caster so getting armor feats is not useful.
I didn't actually test it, but the guy who wrote it claimed it from 1st hand experience and I have no reason to doubt it.
Nah, I read about it, and as Thonius and Reinhardt have pointed out, it's way worse than having arcane spell failure, he literally can't cast spells at all if he is wearing any armor or shield. That's just horrible.
 

Cael

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Damn. He get's hit with arcane spell failure even though he is a divine caster?

edit: Oh, I see. He can't cast spell at all in armor. Wow, what a shitty archetype.
For advanced DnD groups, one of my house rules is that ALL spellcasting has spell failure in armour. As a Cleric or Druid, you might be trained in wearing armour, but you are as fucked as a Wizard if you tried to cast spells wearing armour.
 

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ALWAYS BUY CAMPING SUPPLIES!
steam is full of people that have no idea how to heals their characters and how rest work.
In next episode: bags of holding to keep party encumbrance in green sector and travel to any part of your kingdom in a day. Stay tuned folks.
Jokes aside, this is one of most basic things to do, i never even hunted past chapter 1.

How the heck you can make Julibost useful? Every enemy just uses reflex against his bombs.
Also Tristan - wtf he dies if somebody looks wrong at him. No armor low DEX, wtf? Do I have to dip in monk or something?
Jaethal is nice but they way her HP is handled makes her super inefficient. She ends up wasting all her spells on healing just for her.
I only used Julibost in troll fortress, but he was ok, strong even, with acid bombs. And there are all sort of other bombs in perks (blinding, knocking down e.t.c.). He can aslo cast all kind of funky stuff(like shield, echolocation) on other characters. Too bad mirror image is not on the list. Main i reason i ditched him.
Tristan is ok healbot and also knows one of the most OP spells in the game. I filled half of spell slots with summons to counter random flanking attacks which game loves to throw later on. Just keep him at backline.
Jaethal is best waifu, but has a serious flaw as undead
She can't be enlarged :negative:, and not what you thought.
Ok, two flaws.
 

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When does the quest after finishing Season of Bloom fire?

I am just sitting on my ass skipping time in King mode and exploring random caves with no main quest atm.
 

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I too am restarting the game. Again. Looking at the specialist wizard, which school is any good? Some don't even have spells on all levels.
Don't take divination (and use divination as 1 of the opposite schools), that's all I know.
Yeah, that's a damn shame because divination school powers actually look good. But not good enough to compensate for half the levels not having any divination spells. Probably rolling with transmutation or conjuration, they seem like the most useful.
The Enchantment specialist level 8th ability is also supposedly very strong, according to "experts". And indeed it looks interesting on paper as well.
 

Generic-Giant-Spider

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Quick question, what's the alignment of those little monstrous spiders? Are they outsiders?
Spiders should be animals or vermin or swarm, depending on the state, and TN. Unless you are talking intelligent demonic spiders. Then, their alignment is "rip your face off and rape your eye sockets".
Generic-Giant-Spider confirm alignment please.

Neutral "Do you know how long it took me to spin that web? Why are you even in my cave you overland fucker, there's only a +1 Cloak and 4 bloodstones."
 

ArchAngel

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Wait or is it delay poison?
Anyway tried to roll with B crew and eh.
How the heck you can make Julibost useful? Every enemy just uses reflex against his bombs.
Also Tristan - wtf he dies if somebody looks wrong at him. No armor low DEX, wtf? Do I have to dip in monk or something?
Jaethal is nice but they way her HP is handled makes her super inefficient. She ends up wasting all her spells on healing just for her.
Jaethal is awesome, just throw away that stupid two handed and medium armor and give her a nice +1 Full plate, nice +1 heavy shield and use her +X sacred bonus to armor buff and she is as good of a tank as Valerie (even better as she can buff and heal herself and she is immune to a lot of stuff). Also she cannot die, no matter how much damage she receives. It will never happen that someone accidentally crit kills her and you need to reload the game because of that.
 
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This patching scheme reminds me Age of Conan a lot. Dunno if its a bad thing or good?!?
Both.
They are undoubtedly determined and I'm sure eventually the game will be very playable (that's what I'm waiting for, at least).
But it shouldn't have been released until next month.

Their problem is that there were a lot of people with different interests between Owlcat and the game that they wanted to make.
The biggest one is obviously Paizo who has a lot of interests in this game and was according to the developers very involved in makeing it. We cannot say what requirements they were given we cannot even say if they could choose which Adventure path they were allowed to use.
The second one is their publisher Deepsilver which do not have a very good reputation but with Kingmaker's size that dwarfs a lot of other CRPGs they would have run out of money eventually without one. It's well known that for a small studio that hasn't shipped any games, it's very hard to find a publisher that is big enough to give them the necessary funds to finish such a huge game.


But I think one of Owlcat's biggest problems was their own ambition, I honestly have no idea how such a small team could even make such a big a game like this with it's production quality. Just listen to the soundtrack or the quality of the voiced dialogue, look at the pretty weather effects or magic effects.The sheer amount of different weapons and armors is stunning. This isn't one the "my first Kickstarter CRPG" games we have seen over the years.

In the end it seems to have kinda worked out, the game didn't disappear immediately like so many other indie games. But the price was that it simply wasn't finished it needed at least another month most likely even more.
 

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ALWAYS BUY CAMPING SUPPLIES!
steam is full of people that have no idea how to heals their characters and how rest work.
In next episode: bags of holding to keep party encumbrance in green sector and travel to any part of your kingdom in a day. Stay tuned folks.
Jokes aside, this is one of most basic things to do, i never even hunted past chapter 1.

How the heck you can make Julibost useful? Every enemy just uses reflex against his bombs.
Also Tristan - wtf he dies if somebody looks wrong at him. No armor low DEX, wtf? Do I have to dip in monk or something?
Jaethal is nice but they way her HP is handled makes her super inefficient. She ends up wasting all her spells on healing just for her.
I only used Julibost in troll fortress, but he was ok, strong even, with acid bombs. And there are all sort of other bombs in perks (blinding, knocking down e.t.c.). He can aslo cast all kind of funky stuff(like shield, echolocation) on other characters. Too bad mirror image is not on the list. Main i reason i ditched him.
Tristan is ok healbot and also knows one of the most OP spells in the game. I filled half of spell slots with summons to counter random flanking attacks which game loves to throw later on. Just keep him at backline.
Jaethal is best waifu, but has a serious flaw as undead
She can't be enlarged :negative:, and not what you thought.
Ok, two flaws.
Problem with her it's just you're introduced with 2 eh healing resources/pool's. Harm/Heal. It's not optimized, smite is nice though and teamfeats.
Jaethal is awesome, just throw away that stupid two handed and medium armor and give her a nice +1 Full plate, nice +1 heavy shield and use her +X sacred bonus to armor buff and she is as good of a tank as Valerie (even better as she can buff and heal herself and he is immune to a lot of stuff). Also he cannot die, no matter how much damage she receives. It will never happen that someone accidentally crit kills her and you need to reload the game because of that.
I don't think she is trained with heavy armor. I have to dip or take feats.
 

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So who had the bright idea to make spider swarms with with 20% concealment, 30 AC, Evasion and +13 modifier reflex save? Show me who it was so I can burn their house!!!:x
If you can afford to waste liquid fire to burn houses, maybe those spider swarms were not as hard as you claim :rpgcodex:
 

Mortmal

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The timing issue for the Ancient Curse quest auto-fixed itself as in: Phase 3 started with 292 days instead of 300 days. Basically the internal timer for the world or only this quest was forward with 8 days.

Now I will not check the game's internal timers (I don't know how) but I will keep my eyes forward for any suspect jumps-forward. I'm really curious to see if there will be any discrepancy at the end of Phase 3.

Also, I'm really ashamed to say this but I'm sure I'm 99.99% percent retarded. I'm sure the exact values are set in some internal table but as approximations:
- Resting with supplies doesn't consume time sometimes or it can take up to 5 hours (this is an approximation).
- Resting without supplies takes up between 6 and 19 hours.
- Resting without supplies in dungeons takes up between 1 day and 3 days.
This means that buying supplies can reduce the traveling time at least twice. In other words you can win 10 days for very 20 days you spent on the map.

I'm double retarded because I knew this shit but I choose to dismiss the camping supplies as a gimmick mechanic.

So, for anyone who has problems with the quests, just remember this:
ALWAYS BUY CAMPING SUPPLIES!

:negative:
Ah no,even for camping supplies you have to be careful, there's a limited amount of them and shopkeeper never resupply.Outside, forage hunt, keep those precious rations for the dungeons.
 

ArchAngel

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ALWAYS BUY CAMPING SUPPLIES!
steam is full of people that have no idea how to heals their characters and how rest work.
In next episode: bags of holding to keep party encumbrance in green sector and travel to any part of your kingdom in a day. Stay tuned folks.
Jokes aside, this is one of most basic things to do, i never even hunted past chapter 1.

How the heck you can make Julibost useful? Every enemy just uses reflex against his bombs.
Also Tristan - wtf he dies if somebody looks wrong at him. No armor low DEX, wtf? Do I have to dip in monk or something?
Jaethal is nice but they way her HP is handled makes her super inefficient. She ends up wasting all her spells on healing just for her.
I only used Julibost in troll fortress, but he was ok, strong even, with acid bombs. And there are all sort of other bombs in perks (blinding, knocking down e.t.c.). He can aslo cast all kind of funky stuff(like shield, echolocation) on other characters. Too bad mirror image is not on the list. Main i reason i ditched him.
Tristan is ok healbot and also knows one of the most OP spells in the game. I filled half of spell slots with summons to counter random flanking attacks which game loves to throw later on. Just keep him at backline.
Jaethal is best waifu, but has a serious flaw as undead
She can't be enlarged :negative:, and not what you thought.
Ok, two flaws.
Problem with her it's just you're introduced with 2 eh healing resources/pool's. Harm/Heal. It's not optimized, smite is nice though and teamfeats.
Jaethal is awesome, just throw away that stupid two handed and medium armor and give her a nice +1 Full plate, nice +1 heavy shield and use her +X sacred bonus to armor buff and she is as good of a tank as Valerie (even better as she can buff and heal herself and he is immune to a lot of stuff). Also he cannot die, no matter how much damage she receives. It will never happen that someone accidentally crit kills her and you need to reload the game because of that.
I don't think she is trained with heavy armor. I have to dip or take feats.
You take feats of course. Inquisitor is a combat class anyways, it is not like you can make a caster divine character like clerics can. You also take a feat for Armor focus and shield focus. And she gets teamwork feats, you pick up shield wall with her, put someone else with shield just behind her and she gets +2 more shield bonus.
 

Dodo1610

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So who had the bright idea to make spider swarms with with 20% concealment, 30 AC, Evasion and +13 modifier reflex save? Show me who it was so I can burn their house!!!:x
If you can afford to waste liquid fire to burn houses, maybe those spider swarms were not as hard as you claim :rpgcodex:

Have you guys no fire weapons? They kill them pretty fast.
 

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