KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[TT1]

162h on a single playthrough and I just arrived on this Pitax tournment. This game will ever end?

 

[Chippy]

So I use Jaethal to cast stonesking on Harrim, and Linzi gets booted out of the party. She's still alive, and I can still select her, but just gets removed from the party.

I think this is a bug?.

On a side note; they included spell components. Unvelievable.

 

[Jinn]

162h on a single playthrough and I just arrived on this Pitax tournment. This game will ever end?

Would you like it to?

 

[razvedchiki]

MAde a 2handed build to see how much ac i can stuck on him,lvl 5 and with mithril plate,16 dex,barkskin+shield and the usual rings/amulets i have 33 which is pretty good.
Gonna try a paladin too see how he will go.
In terms of 2handed weaponry which are the best ones in term of progresion?

 

[Efe]

162h on a single playthrough and I just arrived on this Pitax tournment. This game will ever end?

perfect point to make a back up save and wait for big patch

 

[thesheeep]

In terms of 2handed weaponry which are the best ones in term of progresion?

Actually, I have a question the other way around:
Which weapons are underrepresented in the game? Wouldn't want to specialize in anything and then find out I'll probably never get a good weapon for that.
I'm looking at you, darts, maces & halberds in Baldur's Gate.

 

[Lawntoilet]

MAde a 2handed build to see how much ac i can stuck on him,lvl 5 and with mithril plate,16 dex,barkskin+shield and the usual rings/amulets i have 33 which is pretty good.
Gonna try a paladin too see how he will go.
In terms of 2handed weaponry which are the best ones in term of progresion?

Actually, I have a question the other way around:
Which weapons are underrepresented in the game? Wouldn't want to specialize in anything and then find out I'll probably never get a good weapon for that.
I'm looking at you, darts, maces & halberds in Baldur's Gate.

There are good endgame weapons for pretty much all categories. Overall longswords and battleaxes are pretty underrepresented throughout the game but there is an amazing endgame longsword.
As far as 2 handed weapons, Glaive if you want Reach, Greataxe if you don't, will give you the most choice and fantastic endgame options.

 

[Elex]

weapon progression:
first 3/4 of the game, a lot of weapons barely appear, some weapon get a +2 and extra stuff like 2d6 elemental damage.

suddenly after half game +4 +5 weapons start to pop everywhere

 

[Thonius]

She's romanceble. And since everyone(except val) okay with you romancing other people you'll get harem.

but no val?

not worth it.

edit: wait...who all is in this harem then?

the nymph girl, the slut elf...a harem of two? meh.

...you're not including the orc, are you?

Orc boi....
Well I'm just telling you about options. I'm not gonna touch that cumdumster half-elf or her boitoy. And I don't roll fem chars, so ratboi is out too. Val is my grill.

 

[Thonius]

How to increase will saves for fighter?dip 1 into paladin?

To everything that has been already said like:
The two iron will feats,
Two levels of paladin combined with high charisma - requires lawful good character,
Wisdom and items adding to it

I'll add one, somewhat ignored these days:
Make your fighter a dwarf, hardy gives +2 to saves against most stuff and can be upgraded to +4 via a feat IIRC. Also +2 Wisdom racial bonus. No racial bonus to STR is a pain but otherwise, not a bad option.

you can also roll an angelkin aasimar with str and cha bonuses, increasing your saves and shooting your intimidation / cornugon smashing through the roof all at once. dwarfs good, but the optimal str based two hander fighter with pally/monk dips (or even better - pally with fighter/monk dips instead, for spell buffs and bonded weapon goodness) is better of with reasonable dex, robe and gauntlets.
Which will effectively leave Valerie as the only one who can reap real benefits from heavy armor & shield combo though.

Remind me again. What's the downside of asimars? None? Well then, as I suspected they are popamole race for sure.

In terms of 2handed weaponry which are the best ones in term of progresion?

Actually, I have a question the other way around:
Which weapons are underrepresented in the game? Wouldn't want to specialize in anything and then find out I'll probably never get a good weapon for that.
I'm looking at you, darts, maces & halberds in Baldur's Gate.

I think it's Javelines, Darts, regular slings (not slingstaffs), Daggers, Short swords, Quarterstaffs, Scythes, Long spears( not short), Dwarfen/Elven/Orcish weapons.

 

[Lawntoilet]

How to increase will saves for fighter?dip 1 into paladin?

To everything that has been already said like:
The two iron will feats,
Two levels of paladin combined with high charisma - requires lawful good character,
Wisdom and items adding to it

I'll add one, somewhat ignored these days:
Make your fighter a dwarf, hardy gives +2 to saves against most stuff and can be upgraded to +4 via a feat IIRC. Also +2 Wisdom racial bonus. No racial bonus to STR is a pain but otherwise, not a bad option.

you can also roll an angelkin aasimar with str and cha bonuses, increasing your saves and shooting your intimidation / cornugon smashing through the roof all at once. dwarfs good, but the optimal str based two hander fighter with pally/monk dips (or even better - pally with fighter/monk dips instead, for spell buffs and bonded weapon goodness) is better of with reasonable dex, robe and gauntlets.
Which will effectively leave Valerie as the only one who can reap real benefits from heavy armor & shield combo though.

Remind me again. What's the downside of asimars? None? Well then, as I suspected they are popamole race for sure.

In terms of 2handed weaponry which are the best ones in term of progresion?

Actually, I have a question the other way around:
Which weapons are underrepresented in the game? Wouldn't want to specialize in anything and then find out I'll probably never get a good weapon for that.
I'm looking at you, darts, maces & halberds in Baldur's Gate.

I think it's Javelines, Darts, regular slings (not slingstaffs), Daggers, Short swords, Quarterstaffs, Scythes, Long spears( not short), Dwarfen/Elven/Orcish weapons.

There are a bunch of good +2/+3/+4 daggers after act 1, and some good quarterstaffs. Ruin quarterstaff is awesome, you can get it from a kingdom event and it's maybe the first +5 weapon you can access.
Either 1.0.16 or 1.1 added some slings and darts, too.

 

[drgames]

I kinda finished with my second playthrough of Pathfinder kingmaker. Since I completely understand what is wrong with the kingdom management now, I will explain it maybe later, but I wanna give some hint regarding some companions.

Valerie is a tank, but because in pathfinder tanks cannot aggro enemies, there is almost no sense of going with pure fighter. One level in class thug in order to have thug's frightening, and focus in persuasion for dazzling display/cornugon smashing (with one level in steward defense ).

Harrim has really bad stats which make him a bad fighter, and a bad healer too. I immediatly multiclassed him into druid, so at least I could get some usefull spells and the smildon as companion pet.

Amiri, vanilla berserk is a bad choice, so one level in vivi and the rest to rogue. Sneak attacks are OP since you they can be easily triggered.

Octavia is obviously an arcane trickster.

The best weapon ideally is the fauchard. It has reach and a good crit range, but there are like 2 unique fauchard in the game, and you will find many different good weapons that are far better.

 

[Jasede]

Nok-Nok

 

[Lawntoilet]

I kinda finished with my second playthrough of Pathfinder kingmaker. Since I completely understand what is wrong with the kingdom management now, I will explain it maybe later, but I wanna give some hint regarding some companions.

Valerie is a tank, but because in pathfinder tanks cannot aggro enemies, there is almost no sense of going with pure fighter. One level in class thug in order to have thug's frightening, and focus in persuasion for dazzling display/cornugon smashing (with one level in steward defense ).

Harrim has really bad stats which make him a bad fighter, and a bad healer too. I immediatly multiclassed him into druid, so at least I could get some usefull spells and the smildon as companion pet.

Amiri, vanilla berserk is a bad choice, so one level in vivi and the rest to rogue. Sneak attacks are OP since you they can be easily triggered.

Octavia is obviously an arcane trickster.

The best weapon ideally is the fauchard. It has reach and a good crit range, but there are like 2 unique fauchard in the game, and you will find many different good weapons that are far better.

The problem with mass-Frightening with a Thug Valerie is that mobs run away and draw aggro from the rest of the map.
I also think Stalwart Defender is worth taking more than 1 level, you get a skill that greatly reduces the Fatigue penalty of your defensive stance, and your DR/Improved DR skills from the class are good too

Spoiler

especially in late game when everything is targeting Touch AC.

If you're not above respeccing, Invulnerable Rager seems good for Amiri, but otherwise 2-hand fighter is good for her.
The masterpiece Fauchard seems quite good but I didn't have anyone specced to use it.
I gave Harrim the

Spoiler

Cloak of Sold Souls

and Necromancy Spell Focus feats, he's been pretty decent. I kept him mostly off the front lines as a summoner and buffer until I got some of the higher-level Cleric self buffs though.

 

[ga♥]

I kinda finished with my second playthrough of Pathfinder kingmaker. Since I completely understand what is wrong with the kingdom management now, I will explain it maybe later, but I wanna give some hint regarding some companions.

Valerie is a tank, but because in pathfinder tanks cannot aggro enemies, there is almost no sense of going with pure fighter. One level in class thug in order to have thug's frightening, and focus in persuasion for dazzling display/cornugon smashing (with one level in steward defense ).

Harrim has really bad stats which make him a bad fighter, and a bad healer too. I immediatly multiclassed him into druid, so at least I could get some usefull spells and the smildon as companion pet.

Amiri, vanilla berserk is a bad choice, so one level in vivi and the rest to rogue. Sneak attacks are OP since you they can be easily triggered.

Octavia is obviously an arcane trickster.

The best weapon ideally is the fauchard. It has reach and a good crit range, but there are like 2 unique fauchard in the game, and you will find many different good weapons that are far better.

I don't see the point tbqh. Ruins their storyline (which I admit isn't great to begin with).

If you want better companions just make mercenaries.

On a sidenote I am getting raped on chap VII

 

[panda]

I think it's Javelines, Darts, regular slings (not slingstaffs), Daggers, Short swords, Quarterstaffs, Scythes, Long spears( not short), Dwarfen/Elven/Orcish weapons.

There are a bunch of good +2/+3/+4 daggers after act 1, and some good quarterstaffs. Ruin quarterstaff is awesome, you can get it from a kingdom event and it's maybe the first +5 weapon you can access.
Either 1.0.16 or 1.1 added some slings and darts, too.

Singing Edge is also effectively a +6 longspear. Not stellar, but not shit either. Scythes has fair representation too.
Can't remember decent short sword, that is true.

 

[Seari]

Gamebanshee review
http://www.gamebanshee.com/reviews/121516-pathfinder-kingmaker-review.html

 

[Serus]

How to increase will saves for fighter?dip 1 into paladin?

To everything that has been already said like:
The two iron will feats,
Two levels of paladin combined with high charisma - requires lawful good character,
Wisdom and items adding to it

I'll add one, somewhat ignored these days:
Make your fighter a dwarf, hardy gives +2 to saves against most stuff and can be upgraded to +4 via a feat IIRC. Also +2 Wisdom racial bonus. No racial bonus to STR is a pain but otherwise, not a bad option.

you can also roll an angelkin aasimar with str and cha bonuses, increasing your saves and shooting your intimidation / cornugon smashing through the roof all at once. dwarfs good, but the optimal str based two hander fighter with pally/monk dips (or even better - pally with fighter/monk dips instead, for spell buffs and bonded weapon goodness) is better of with reasonable dex, robe and gauntlets.
Which will effectively leave Valerie as the only one who can reap real benefits from heavy armor & shield combo though.

Sure, if you want to have the absolute most optimized munchkininized character then that's a good way to do it. However if it is your main character it locks you into lawful good which one might not want to do (because for example one hates paladins as class in general or wants to play as evil or whatever other reason). In that case, again if one is looking for a high will saves - at which fighters normally suck , then a dwarf fighter is a reasonable option. it gives you potentially +4/+5 will over that of a human (or most other races).
Besides, from purely powergaming perspective fighters are probably (one of) the weakest classes in P:K anyway so if you really want to optimize - don't take one.

 

[Lawntoilet]

I think it's Javelines, Darts, regular slings (not slingstaffs), Daggers, Short swords, Quarterstaffs, Scythes, Long spears( not short), Dwarfen/Elven/Orcish weapons.

There are a bunch of good +2/+3/+4 daggers after act 1, and some good quarterstaffs. Ruin quarterstaff is awesome, you can get it from a kingdom event and it's maybe the first +5 weapon you can access.
Either 1.0.16 or 1.1 added some slings and darts, too.

Singing Edge is also effectively a +6 longspear. Not stellar, but not shit either. Scythes has fair representation too.
Can't remember decent short sword, that is true.

Yes but it comes really late in the game, you don't find any other special longspears really.

Spoiler

Plus you might not always have access to Bardsong in late game.

Nazrielle can make you a decent Shortsword but I haven't seen a +5 that I can remember.

 

[Thonius]

Well I found some cool scimitar. Bear god something something. And Since I got cape that gives constant bite attack + dragon blodline +amulet of mighty fists +gloves that add acid damage to every natural atack + focus on bite attack, my gish sorc just bites everything to death. Scimitar+ Bite Slashing/Piercing/Bludgeoning + acid+cold+acid+electro +trip from cloak (and DD STR). Apply Transformation spell - left click - win. The only problem is average atack roll for bite, since it counted as second weapon.

 

[panda]

Actually, +5 short sword exists
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OqCOa0wmfzvp7y-N75WiWguwNusU-Lf3/view

Interesting enough, this list does not mention Tyrant - probably most broken weapon in the game.

 

[drgames]

Now, in my first playthorugh I fucked up my kingdom , so in the second playthrough I tried to play more serious the kingdom management and to achieve the events by savescumming too. Besides bugs and the diffuclty, the problem with this game is that it is always a fucking race against time. You need to manage almsot perfectly your time and each single action must be taken with fully awareness of its consequences, because even the action of resting can lead to losing your kingdom. For example: if you are in a game zone, you do not lose time, but if you rest, you do lose time, which could have been used to explore or to manage your kingdom, and so you do not progress, whilst the difficulty of the game does. Because later on you are forced to fight against

Spoiler

stag's lord, king of the trolls, vordakai, irovetti and naryssa

so you need to have better gear and exp, or you will have an hard time in the fights, but you need also that have a stable kingdom, high stats and all the unlocked advisors in order to manage the events that your kingdom will face. To improve your kingodm and unlcok the advisors, you will lose time, which could have been used to explore, to get our team stronger. There is a struggling contrast beetween exploration and management, and without prior knowledge the casual player will likely lose the game, unless he sets the management part in auto. Yeah, now I know that the most important stat to improve is the economy and to unlock all the advisors asap, but it is because I fucked it up once already. And even when you unlock all the advisors, some DC's events are really too high to farm some specific stats (espionage for example).
The game is really too diffuclt with almost no margin of error. You will lose points in the stats even if you savescamming, because the advisor informs you that a disaster happened and therefore you lose stats with no chance to react or because a problem raised up but you can't collocate an advisors because they are already busy with projects or because an event happend but you were travelling outside your kingdom's regions and so you could not allocate an advisor for that event.
The rewards for playing it good are decent. You get a morale bonus for the attack and damage rolls, immune to poison, spell resistance, immunity to mind controll etc. , but you startint to get these bonus really late in the game (like maybe chapter 4/5) or maybe even later if you were bad and fucked up a few things.
Or you play it good or you do not play it at all, and set the management in auto. And by good I mean you know exactly what are you doing, even when you are allocating the advisors for the events or exploring areas.

 

[jungl]

There is zero anxiety. None of the kingdom stats matter. Only the ranks achieved with them and you will always achieve around the same amount of ranks due to time spend leveling them up.

 

[Lawntoilet]

Actually, +5 short sword exists
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OqCOa0wmfzvp7y-N75WiWguwNusU-Lf3/view

Interesting enough, this list does not mention Tyrant - probably most broken weapon in the game.

Cool. I haven't seen that Shortsword or Longbow yet - I got the Mirror Longbow though which is very good. Nazrielle's masterpiece longsword should be there too, it's basically a +7 weapon.

 

[drgames]

Also, there is a bug for land defenders 2, which gives +2 morale bonus on attack rolls is bugged because my companions get instead a +1 morale bonus.