Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Average Manatee]

What's the point of no return in Act 3? I'm holding off Ivory Sanctum because there's still some places I want to explore before moving onto the next act.

It's very, very obvious. It should also make an obvious popup that you've passed the point of no return, at that point just reload the latest autosave.

 

[Desiderius]

What's the point of no return in Act 3? I'm holding off Ivory Sanctum because there's still some places I want to explore before moving onto the next act.

If you don't know you're not there yet. Can do Sanctum whenever.

 

[scytheavatar]

What's the point of no return in Act 3? I'm holding off Ivory Sanctum because there's still some places I want to explore before moving onto the next act.

There's 1 month which you need to wait after the Ivory Sanctum before you can start doing the final dungeon, so you are fine.

 

[Rhobar121]

You can actually wait indefinitely as long as you don't tell a certain npc that you know how to destroy a certain barrier.

 

[Skorpion]

Ignorance is bliss, apparently even for angels!

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

You can actually wait indefinitely as long as you don't tell a certain npc that you know how to destroy a certain barrier.

Oh. So I shouldn't have freed that Angel then?

 

[Average Manatee]

Remember when you attacked drezen and there was a big popup about how "continuing past this point will lock off some things you were doing"? You're gonna get that again, just reload an autosave and don't go down that dialog path until you're ready.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Oh that didn't happen. Must be another barrier then.
That's a relief.

 

[Cpt. Dallas]

There's a mythic feat that offers a substantial buff to animal companions, but can't be selected for my dragon. Feels bad, man.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

You get a dragon companion? That's pretty metal. Can you ride it?
Edit : Ah, Azata path only. So the tree hugger chaotic good path. Bleh, undead dragon mount for edgelord potential when, Owlcat?

 

[Average Manatee]

Everyone gets a triceratops. Gotta be thankful for the good things you already have.

Trying to figure out my 9th and 10th mythic levels for Seelah and there's just nothing left that looks interesting nowadays. Even more so for pure martial characters. What do you guys take? For my last mythic ability the best is... uhh... improved abundant casting just for her level 4 spells? I stopped trying to micro and line up charges in Act 3 so Mythic Charge is out and something like Thundering Blows is kind of a joke at this point. I don't think there's any conventionally available polymorph effect for Master Shapeshifter, is there? I'll be even more lost trying to level up companions like Regill who don't even have abundant casting to take.

EDIT: From what I can tell there is precisely one polymorph spell you can use on others without special class features and without ruining their form, and it's Blessing of the Salamander. Rnd/level though, so its annoying but still probably the best bet

 

[Desiderius]

Everyone gets a triceratops. Gotta be thankful for the good things you already have.

Trying to figure out my 9th and 10th mythic levels for Seelah and there's just nothing left that looks interesting nowadays. Even more so for pure martial characters. What do you guys take? For my last mythic ability the best is... uhh... improved abundant casting just for her level 4 spells? I stopped trying to micro and line up charges in Act 3 so Mythic Charge is out and something like Thundering Blows is kind of a joke at this point. I don't think there's any conventionally available polymorph effect for Master Shapeshifter, is there? I'll be even more lost trying to level up companions like Regill who don't even have abundant casting to take.

EDIT: From what I can tell there is precisely one polymorph spell you can use on others without special class features and without ruining their form, and it's Blessing of the Salamander. Rnd/level though, so its annoying but still probably the best bet

Reg wants Domain Zealot for his Domains. I've done Mythic Dazzling with Fearsomeness on him but not sure if its currently working. Mythic Evo Focus on Seelah helps her Archon's get there. She also benefits greatly from Mythic Initiative to get the Mark down early.

If you're running out of Mythics you want you're missing some significant chunks of the game, though moreso with TTT.

 

[Average Manatee]

Reg wants Domain Zealot for his Domains.

...what? Think you're thinking Sosiel.

I've done Mythic Dazzling with Fearsomeness on him but not sure if its currently working.

Absolutely hate it when enemies run away and I have to chase them across the whole level.

Mythic Evo Focus on Seelah helps her Archon's get there. She also benefits greatly from Mythic Initiative to get the Mark down early.

... what? Are you loading up on feats just to give her a small chance of applying -2 to enemy stats? That's pretty silly. Seelah's job is to kill things. Raising Archon's to a DC of like 25 and giving the enemy a 10% chance of -2 to their stats rather than just a 5% chance of critical failure is so not worth it. Can't take initiative because I wasn't able to fit the base version into my build. Maybe I could have dropped combat reflexes but AoO while flat footed is nice...

 

[Parabalus]

Fun interaction - the Living Ram armor dmg proc triggers Mythic Charge.
Also additional dmg procs on the weapon also trigger it.

And they are both doubled by wielding a spear weapon.

 

[Average Manatee]

By additional damage procs, you mean stuff like additional elemental effects or precision damage? Maybe the Elemental Barrage-type strats with 4 elemental enchants are back on the menu.

How about Spirited Charge?

 

[LannTheStupid]

I've done Mythic Dazzling with Fearsomeness on him but not sure if its currently working.

Absolutely hate it when enemies run away and I have to chase them across the whole level.

Bring more archers, no? As I have already said, Wenduag and Arueshalae are a very powerful couple, whatever their actual preferences are. And I'm sure you know how to [H]old.

If you are owning the game so hard, you can even assign medium-ranged ray spells on autocast, which together with "hold" means everyone who goes back gets a bunch of axes, arrows, and Hellfire to the face.

 

[Average Manatee]

Bring more archers, no?

No.

Wenduag

Is currently my best melee as a Demonslayer who is primarily responsible for 1-rounding half the bosses I've faced.

 

[LannTheStupid]

I like Camellia to make killing blows. Wenduag is too simplistic for the fine art of serial killing.

 

[Desiderius]

Reg wants Domain Zealot for his Domains.

...what? Think you're thinking Sosiel.

I've done Mythic Dazzling with Fearsomeness on him but not sure if its currently working.

Absolutely hate it when enemies run away and I have to chase them across the whole level.

Mythic Evo Focus on Seelah helps her Archon's get there. She also benefits greatly from Mythic Initiative to get the Mark down early.

... what? Are you loading up on feats just to give her a small chance of applying -2 to enemy stats? That's pretty silly. Seelah's job is to kill things. Raising Archon's to a DC of like 25 and giving the enemy a 10% chance of -2 to their stats rather than just a 5% chance of critical failure is so not worth it. Can't take initiative because I wasn't able to fit the base version into my build. Maybe I could have dropped combat reflexes but AoO while flat footed is nice...

UR bad

 

[scytheavatar]

Everyone gets a triceratops. Gotta be thankful for the good things you already have.

Trying to figure out my 9th and 10th mythic levels for Seelah and there's just nothing left that looks interesting nowadays. Even more so for pure martial characters. What do you guys take? For my last mythic ability the best is... uhh... improved abundant casting just for her level 4 spells? I stopped trying to micro and line up charges in Act 3 so Mythic Charge is out and something like Thundering Blows is kind of a joke at this point. I don't think there's any conventionally available polymorph effect for Master Shapeshifter, is there? I'll be even more lost trying to level up companions like Regill who don't even have abundant casting to take.

EDIT: From what I can tell there is precisely one polymorph spell you can use on others without special class features and without ruining their form, and it's Blessing of the Salamander. Rnd/level though, so its annoying but still probably the best bet

Hard to answer your question without seeing what you have taken, but assuming you have taken Mythical Beast/Power Attack/Ever Ready/Improved Crit/Abundant Smite/Abundant Casting/Last Stand/Improved Initiative then I would take Leading Strike for that extra damage. Flawless Attack, Rupture Restraints, Unrelenting Assault are safe options to pick, and of course Inspirational Leader if no one else in your party has it.

 

[Average Manatee]

Going over ones I don't have:

- Leading Strike, is it actually any good? It seems like something that'd only work in real time (since every character will hit simultaneously), while in turn based it's practically useless. And I do boss fights in turn based. EDIT: nvm, it probably works great in turnbased when riding a pet, right? If it works like that then it should be one of the best mythics and taken early. Almost like Elemental Barrage used to be.
- Unrelenting Assault, just too slow to ramp up. Worst case late game boss fights in this game take 3 turns, usually 1-2.
- Rupture Restraints. Probably fine as insurance. Seelah has insane saves already, though I guess it could protect against effects that have no save (not sure if enemies have those?)
- Abundant Smite seems excessive, you only really smite bosses and that's already enough for me.
- Improved initiative I probably should take but I don't even have the base one and mythic requires it.

I did end up with Master Shapeshifter for Seelah's 9th, but still have no idea what you'd fill characters like Greybor or Regill out with (not that I'm using them but I'd like to know what people do as a pure non-magical character).

 

[scytheavatar]

Improved initiative and mythic Improved initiative are more or less mandatory for every character in Unfair, no exceptions. Maybe less so in lower difficulties, but it is still always nice to have as combat is usually decided by your ability to take out that 1 nasty opponent in turn 1.

Abundant Smite is nice to have when you are using Mark of Justice, maybe less so when your Paladin is the main damage dealer but again it's never a bad idea.

Unrelenting Assault is nothing great, but personally I would rather take it than Mythic Weapon Specialization, and people take Mythic Weapon Specialization for reasons I do not understand.

I did end up with Master Shapeshifter for Seelah's 9th, but still have no idea what you'd fill characters like Greybor or Regill out with (not that I'm using them but I'd like to know what people do as a pure non-magical character).

And now you know why those characters suck and nobody uses them. Why non rider melees suck in general for this game.

 

[Parabalus]

By additional damage procs, you mean stuff like additional elemental effects or precision damage? Maybe the Elemental Barrage-type strats with 4 elemental enchants are back on the menu.

How about Spirited Charge?

Looks like it works too.

It doesn't work on 'normal' enchants since those add damage in the same roll, but some proc it as a separate source - in A1 you can buy the longspear Death from Above, it does it's 1d4 damage separately from the main blow, and then gets x3 mythic charge damage added on top. Similarly the Living Ram armor.
Both of these damage sources are conditional, so that's probably why they are sourced separately.

So on a charge attack you add (3x3xMR)d6 divine per attack.

Should also work with the x5 cavalier capstone and pounce.

 

[Haplo]

Unrelenting Assault is great with TTT (doubled bonus damage). Also it already applies in the surprise round, so getting a stack takes shorter then it might appear.

By additional damage procs, you mean stuff like additional elemental effects or precision damage? Maybe the Elemental Barrage-type strats with 4 elemental enchants are back on the menu.

How about Spirited Charge?

Looks like it works too.

It doesn't work on 'normal' enchants since those add damage in the same roll, but some proc it as a separate source - in A1 you can buy the longspear Death from Above, it does it's 1d4 damage separately from the main blow, and then gets x3 mythic charge damage added on top. Similarly the Living Ram armor.
Both of these damage sources are conditional, so that's probably why they are sourced separately.

So on a charge attack you add (3x3xMR)d6 divine per attack.

Should also work with the x5 cavalier capstone and pounce.

Hmm, weird. Yes, I've been abusing stuff like that with my chargers, but since 2 patches or so it no longer works for me.
Generally all extra damage instances have been rolled into main attack damage proc.

I thought it was an Owlcat change... or was it TTT?

 

[Haplo]

Going over ones I don't have:

- Leading Strike, is it actually any good? It seems like something that'd only work in real time (since every character will hit simultaneously), while in turn based it's practically useless. And I do boss fights in turn based. EDIT: nvm, it probably works great in turnbased when riding a pet, right? If it works like that then it should be one of the best mythics and taken early. Almost like Elemental Barrage used to be.

No, its nothing like EB was. In Turn Based mode its usually only 1 activation per round. Can be decent with a pet, yes - provided that you have a charger and a pouncing multi-attack pet. Preferably a raptor or a smilodon. Leopard at worst.
If the pets don't pounce charge, they usually only get 1 attack after movement.
This has good synergy with Royal Guard's Barding, btw. - also 10d6 per attack on charge.

Come to think of it, could be decent on my Great Cleaving shifter (since it would apply the mark on multiple enemies per Cleave).

- Unrelenting Assault, just too slow to ramp up. Worst case late game boss fights in this game take 3 turns, usually 1-2.

Unrelenting Assault is great with TTT (doubled bonus damage). Also it already applies in the surprise round, so getting a stack takes shorter then it might appear.

- Improved initiative I probably should take but I don't even have the base one and mythic requires it.

You probably should, if your class does not include Initiative boosts.

I did end up with Master Shapeshifter for Seelah's 9th, but still have no idea what you'd fill characters like Greybor or Regill out with (not that I'm using them but I'd like to know what people do as a pure non-magical character).

You mentioned before trouble activating it. No Brown Fur Transmuter or any alchemist in the party?