Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Skorpion]

This is why a large AoO reach along with ever ready and pets that trip enemies is so useful. I've realized that I don't even notice when they try to run through my lines.

Though I recommend making Daeran a melee character with lunge. Could be that the AI is beelining characters with ranged weapons? Anyone know how the AI works?

Not sure even Owlcat could explain how their ai works in this game

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

It's even funnier if you're heavy on summons, sometimes they all beeline deep behind enemy line focusing randomly on the same mob, eating 20 AAOs on the way.

 

[Delterius]

It's even funnier if you're heavy on summons, sometimes they all beeline deep behind enemy line focusing randomly on the same mob, eating 20 AAOs on the way.

and dodging all of them because owlcat are cowards who won't implement summoner fml

 

[Average Manatee]

Spoiler

Yeah getting pounce on a charge build is pretty nice.

It'd be really nice to have a list of which weapon modifiers work how. Living Ram and Devastating Blow from Above are OP because despite being a 1d6, they count as a separate attack for everything. Meaning an extra 3d6 from mythic charge (atm, up to 10d6 obviously) along with 2d6 from crusader's edge. Living Ram even works on my 2 bite and 1 gore attacks. Yet obviously most weapons don't work this way. I'd guess its unintended but then Jinx still exists so who knows.

Also, follow up to my experimenting with the incense synthesizer, and I gotta say its not that bad in terms of its # of uses per day. By mid game you're only spending 1 or 2 real turns of fighting per battle, rest is cleanup, and the alchemical nauseation/sickness actually works for like 18-24 seconds. So when I asked for the class to have a lingering performance ability, it kinda does built in, it just works the other way where you use a free action to turn it off on turn 1 or 2. It's actually... sick... how easily you can alchemically sicken hordes of demons. Not great odds on the strong stuff but trash might as well not even show up to the fight. Only annoyance is its a standard action to activate in battle so you have to turn it on pre-battle. It's obviously a totally different focus than Vivi but I think its a top-tier now.

EDIT:

Works with melee touch attacks (incl dimension strike) as a separate attack. So now I proc Mythic Charge and Crusader's Edge 4x per hit and first hit still triples everything from charge. Looking at 4 normal attacks (4 procs each + 3x for first attack), 1 gore (3 procs), 2 bites (3 procs each). Total of 33x Mythic Charges and Crusader's Edges being procced in a round. Weeeeeeeeeee

 

[Desiderius]

They’re still cleaning up all the extra damage packets but eventually they will all be gone. Kind of sux because it takes all those procs from too strong to too weak.

 

[Desiderius]

Look if anyone thinks I’m going to go soft on a pole-smoking spoiled rich fuck with the most annoying voice in the game I don’t know what to tell you.

Fitzgerald famously said “There are no Second Acts in American lives.” That isn’t the case in other literary traditions. Maybe in depends on your own Mythic Path but I think there’s more than the First Act going on with Daeran.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Trickster does bring out his Chaotic side (which in the past has led him into the Evil). That isn’t necessarily the case with other paths.

For one thing I *don’t* think he enjoys the power he inherited or the one he unwittingly called into the world as a kid. It got his family killed and he’s been pissing it away ever since when you meet him.

Powerless Prophecy is in fact truly his Curse, another good tie-in with the mechanics. His dissatisfaction with Iomedae is similar to Machiavelli’s with the regnant ineffectual (at best) faith of his time that left the medieval excellence of the Italian city-states supine before the incursions of relentless inundations of unscrupulous foreign armies.

 

[scytheavatar]

This is why a large AoO reach along with ever ready and pets that trip enemies is so useful. I've realized that I don't even notice when they try to run through my lines.

Though I recommend making Daeran a melee character with lunge. Could be that the AI is beelining characters with ranged weapons? Anyone know how the AI works?

AI loves to ignore mounted units and gang up on unmounted units. Which is why having an unmounted tank is highly recommended and especially that you make your MC that unmounted tank. Since when enemies are spawned in they always prioritize attacking the MC. This is also why playing a mounted Nature/Battle Oracle Angel is overrated, the superior option is Nature/Waves unmounted Oracle Angel with 1 dip into Scaled Fist. Your melee abilities will be worse but Oracles have never been amazing melee characters until late game, it is tanking which they do better than any class in this game. Waves has access to Seamantle and Ice armor for easy high AC. Your MC just needs to stand there and do nothing while your enemies gang up on him.

 

[Average Manatee]

AI loves to ignore mounted units and gang up on unmounted units. Which is why having an unmounted tank is highly recommended and especially that you make your MC that unmounted tank. Since when enemies are spawned in they always prioritize attacking the MC. This is also why playing a mounted Nature/Battle Oracle Angel is overrated, the superior option is Nature/Waves unmounted Oracle Angel with 1 dip into Scaled Fist. Your melee abilities will be worse but Oracles have never been amazing melee characters until late game, it is tanking which they do better than any class in this game. Waves has access to Seamantle and Ice armor for easy high AC. Your MC just needs to stand there and do nothing while your enemies gang up on him.

Never had such a problem with mounted characters. Mid BAB characters can do excellent in melee, Usually 3-5 of my party is them. Would rather do Cleric than Oracle though because muh domains. Also if you want both in the party then taking Daeran > taking Sosiel.

They’re still cleaning up all the extra damage packets but eventually they will all be gone. Kind of sux because it takes all those procs from too strong to too weak.

Yeah, after the way Elemental Barrage was raped I'm in fear for Mythic Charge.

 

[scytheavatar]

Never had such a problem with mounted characters. Mid BAB characters can do excellent in melee, Usually 3-5 of my party is them. Would rather do Cleric than Oracle though because muh domains. Also if you want both in the party then taking Daeran > taking Sosiel.

I honestly don't understand why people still pick Cleric for Domains. IMHO having an Oracle for a party in unfair is more or less mandatory cause you need Friends to Animals to prevent your pets from getting fucked by Vrocks etc in midgame. Then if you have an Oracle having a Sanctified Slayer is WAYYYYYYYYY better than having a Cleric. Way more damage and also you have access to Litany of eloquence which is Pog. You can easily make Lann a Sanctified Slayer if you hate playing with mercenaries.

Also mid BAB characters are weaksauce compared to full BAB characters with access to mythic Power Attack.

 

[Desiderius]

Sanctified Slayer is so backloaded it’s crazy. Is the idea that Judgments get you Swift-clogged so you rely on Studied instead? I use Swift Study alot on Slayer anyway to get that first attack in there and you end up with multiple Judgements that give you a lot of flexibility and scale pretty high. If you’ve played Jae you know.

It’s not like you’ve got Vitals to get a ton of Sneaks in there. Don’t get it.

 

[scytheavatar]

Sanctified Slayer is so backloaded it’s crazy. Is the idea that Judgments get you Swift-clogged so you rely on Studied instead? I use Swift Study alot on Slayer anyway to get that first attack in there and you end up with multiple Judgements that give you a lot of flexibility and scale pretty high. If you’ve played Jae you know.

It’s not like you’ve got Vitals to get a ton of Sneaks in there. Don’t get it.

Judgements are the ones that are back loaded since you already need to waste 1 mythic feat to get Everlasting Judgement. And you don't get your third Judgement until lvl 16 and second Judgement before lvl 8 so their power is exponential to levels.

I also don't understand what's so special about Judgement's "flexibility". The only ones that are relevant are Destruction, Justice and Protection. Destruction and Justice gives +5 to attack and +6 to damage, just 1 damage more than Studied Attack. Is there something about the other Judgement that I am missing?

And you do not need a lot of sneak dies for it to make a huge difference in the first 2 chapters of this game. Sanctified Slayer is strong in early game and gets stronger in late game. You can pretend these sneak dies don't exist in late game which goes to show how absurdly stacked the entire class is. Domains, damage, boast to attacks, pets from domains, bonus feats, Litany of eloquence.

But yeah, I simply hate Judgements because I hate micromanaging them every fight. But there's no reason why vanilla Inquisitors cannot be used instead of Sanctified Slayer. Both are still superior to Clerics.

 

[Yosharian]

Full BAB is far superior to medium BAB for damage dealers, definitely. But it's not because of attack bonus, it's because of feat progression. Getting Outflank, Shatter Defenses, Weapon Spec, Improved Crit, etc much earlier than other classes is often extremely useful, and on some builds it is vital.

The difference it makes for Power Attack is just the icing on the cake.

 

[Haplo]

Spoiler

Yeah getting pounce on a charge build is pretty nice.

It'd be really nice to have a list of which weapon modifiers work how. Living Ram and Devastating Blow from Above are OP because despite being a 1d6, they count as a separate attack for everything. Meaning an extra 3d6 from mythic charge (atm, up to 10d6 obviously) along with 2d6 from crusader's edge. Living Ram even works on my 2 bite and 1 gore attacks. Yet obviously most weapons don't work this way. I'd guess its unintended but then Jinx still exists so who knows.

Also, follow up to my experimenting with the incense synthesizer, and I gotta say its not that bad in terms of its # of uses per day. By mid game you're only spending 1 or 2 real turns of fighting per battle, rest is cleanup, and the alchemical nauseation/sickness actually works for like 18-24 seconds. So when I asked for the class to have a lingering performance ability, it kinda does built in, it just works the other way where you use a free action to turn it off on turn 1 or 2. It's actually... sick... how easily you can alchemically sicken hordes of demons. Not great odds on the strong stuff but trash might as well not even show up to the fight. Only annoyance is its a standard action to activate in battle so you have to turn it on pre-battle. It's obviously a totally different focus than Vivi but I think its a top-tier now.

EDIT:

Works with melee touch attacks (incl dimension strike) as a separate attack. So now I proc Mythic Charge and Crusader's Edge 4x per hit and first hit still triples everything from charge. Looking at 4 normal attacks (4 procs each + 3x for first attack), 1 gore (3 procs), 2 bites (3 procs each). Total of 33x Mythic Charges and Crusader's Edges being procced in a round. Weeeeeeeeeee

I think you need TTT

 

[Yosharian]

I thought they fixed the damage instances bug universally? Hmm.

 

[Haplo]

They’re still cleaning up all the extra damage packets but eventually they will all be gone. Kind of sux because it takes all those procs from too strong to too weak.

I think some of those packets were never meant to be game-changers - only a small extra bonus. Like Living Ram, Death from Above or baby dragon.

On the other hand, Mythic Charge, Boots of Stampede, Deaths Rush and similar are very strong on a Pouncing build even without multi-proccing (which makes them insane).

 

[Yosharian]

If only I could be bothered to charge targets

 

[Skorpion]

If only I could be bothered to charge targets

...or to play the games you make builds for

 

[Yosharian]

If only I could be bothered to charge targets

...or to play the games you make builds for

I have completed the game, what else do you want me to do

 

[Cpt. Dallas]

I regret not having recruited evil spidergirl lamashtu worshipper.

She might actually be one of the least cringe companions - at least taking from the events of act 1 before I dismissed her. "Goodness is faggotry" indeed. This trope has been taken to the limit in this game. Diversity LGBTQX(cue infinite letters) "crusaders" are so cringe I would defect and join the demons given the chance. Haven't seem a faggot demon yet.

Also, on the subject of the bulldyke orc "paladin" and her "wife" - when the fuck can I finally get rid of her obnoxious presence? Already had her arrested even. She even asked to be dismissed(!) - and I didn't have the option to just send her away to suicide herself and rest forever in a lesbian graveyard.

At least the part with her having a mental breakdown/hissy fit before a major battle was realistic - it is what I expect would happen in the real world if you were to put a mannish lesbozilla leading armies(they still are and will always be wymmin - regardless of how hard they try to be men).

Later in the game there is a cringe quest related to the 'spinner of nightmares' that is a cross between the old George C. Scott film, 'Hardcore' and the Eric Cartman 'I can do what I want' character.

 

[Barbarian]

I quit this game again.

It is such a shame because mechanically the game is top notch tabletop - that is why there is so much build porn in this thread I suppose. All it needed to be ace in this regard would be an actual hex grid for TB mode.

World is also infinitely more reactive than most D&D adaptations of the past(i.e: Baldur's Gate, TOEE and NWN), as was Kingmaker. Such a shame that they amped the wokeness to unacceptable levels. I couldn't understand why so much development was invested for instance in having a fucking fully voiced lesbian orc paladin who participates in every single major event in the game and whom you can't get rid off regardless of your alignment or choices. The companions at least you can dismiss. Is this even a canon character in the tabletop game? Probably some self insert from a woke writer or some such. I know pathfinder is woke, but not this woke.

Maybe I will try again in a few months with a mostly player created party. I know they are gimped(20 ability points instead of PC 25), but still. Spider girl, Greybor, Regill and the "Thiefling" are maybe the only companions who don't relentlessly make one cringe.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I'm pretty sure you can kill Irabeth off in act 5

 

[Barbarian]

Isn't that like close to the end of the game.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Yeah, pretty much. I think there's 6 acts? You only have to deal with her in about 2 of them. In the third act you can just ignore her for the most part and in act 4 she's not present at all.
And yes, she's a Paizo character. Owlcat is not to blame

https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Irabeth_Tirabade

Irabeth Tirabade is a half-orc paladin of Iomedae. She served in the Eagle Watch in Kenabres.1

After their legendary career in the final Mendevian Crusade to close the Worldwound, Irabeth and her wife Anevia Tirabade retired to rural Mendev to live in her parent's old farm. But simple and calm life turned out to be unsuitable for Irabeth, and soon, plagued by a feeling that she had abandoned her duties by retiring, Irabeth set out to help rebuild and reclaim the demon-scarred north. Still, even though she is accompanied by Anevia, it is uncertain how long will she be able to continue to serve

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

It gets even spicier with Anevia

https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Anevia_Tirabade

Anevia Tirabade is an human rogue from Nisroch. She went to Kenabres after being rescued by her now wife, Irabeth Tirabade.1

History​

She was born Anvenn, a boy in a outlawed guild of thieves, then disguised herself as female while running away from law and felt that being a woman suited her best. Then the change was completed after she drank an elixir that completed the gender transformation.1

Both written by the same person, Amber E Scott, it seems.

I dunno if FFG is as woke as Paizo. I don't think so though, so OwlTrader might not be as cringe.

 

[Average Manatee]

I think you need TTT

Please no, I'm having fun.

Frankly Charges are such a PITA to pull off that being able to nuke half a group in one round is the only way it can feel good.

They’re still cleaning up all the extra damage packets but eventually they will all be gone. Kind of sux because it takes all those procs from too strong to too weak.

I think some of those packets were never meant to be game-changers - only a small extra bonus. Like Living Ram, Death from Above or baby dragon.

On the other hand, Mythic Charge, Boots of Stampede, Deaths Rush and similar are very strong on a Pouncing build even without multi-proccing (which makes them insane).

Honestly things are all over the place so its hard to say. Getting just +3 damage on a charge or a touch attack (I assume the ring was intended to be used with touch attack spells) is so minimal as to be laughable. But then there's plenty of items in the game that are just bad and you'd never use, so who knows.