Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Barbarian]

Eldritch Scion legend build planning - which other class to take besides the obvious Eldritch Knight? That will be 30 levels used(20 ES + 10 EK), I don't know what to do with the other 10 I will get. I picked abyssal bloodline for thematic purposes(demon into legend playthrough).

Crossblooded sorcerer for a second bloodline and more spells? Or just dip another fighter class for even higher BAB and feats? Dragon disciple would be nice mechanically but I would have to respec my character with some draconic bloodline - also wouldn't fit with the character theme and roleplay.

 

[Desiderius]

Eldritch Scion legend build planning - which other class to take besides the obvious Eldritch Knight? That will be 30 levels used(20 ES + 10 EK), I don't know what to do with the other 10 I will get. I picked abyssal bloodline for thematic purposes(demon into legend playthrough).

Crossblooded sorcerer for a second bloodline and more spells? Or just dip another fighter class for even higher BAB and feats? Dragon disciple would be nice mechanically but I would have to respec my character with some draconic bloodline - also wouldn't fit with the character theme and roleplay.

EK is never obvious if you're playing Pathfinder instead of 3.5, and especially here where you've got no spellbook for it to advance (Legend can't go past 20). I liked Aldori Swordlord/Duelist Legend so that could work with Scion.

 

[Desiderius]

Is this game enjoyable for somebody who doesn’t think highly (to put it mildly) of Pathfinder and D20 system variants in general? Is there fun ot be had in figuring out how to make the most broken builds possible at least, the one thing D20 is good at?

There are no broken builds. It's about getting the most out of the archetype you want to play and how well it fits with the party you envision using.

 

[Average Manatee]

Spoiler

Playful status: rekt.

Is this game enjoyable for somebody who doesn’t think highly (to put it mildly) of Pathfinder and D20 system variants in general? Is there fun ot be had in figuring out how to make the most broken builds possible at least, the one thing D20 is good at?

It's much more about build combinations and stacking multiple sources of buffs than having any one broken build.

There are no broken builds. It's about getting the most out of the archetype you want to play and how well it fits with the party you envision using.

Yeah there's a few broken builds lol. Proccing mythic charge 30-50 times in a round is a bit much.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

How are you dealing damage 3 times per hit?

 

[Desiderius]

Damage packets picking up additional bonuses. They're slowly cleaning those up.

 

[EdgyRightWinger]

Is this playable without a buff mod?

 

[Average Manatee]

How are you dealing damage 3 times per hit?

Living Ram is an additional proc on charge, Devastating Blow from above is an additional proc on weapon attacks, Ring of Sacred Touch is an additional proc on touch attacks. Currently have 4 weapon attacks + 2 bites and 1 gore. If anyone knows of more ways to get a weapon damage proc then tell me.

Is this playable without a buff mod?

Reasonably playable on core. If you have a good team you only buff maybe twice per dungeon + 1 more time for the boss with rnd/level buffs.

 

[Yosharian]

With Trickster you can cheese by repeating add/remove Finnean from inventory until you roll some nice extra modifiers.

That counts as an Identify? Well sheeeet

 

[Average Manatee]

btw, just noticed a bug: Arcane Weapon Enchantment buffs (like +1d6 elemental damage ones) don't appear to be properly applied if you are mounted when you cast it. So my damage in the previous screenshot was quite nerfed and should have something like 60d6 total more damage.

 

[ga♥]

With Trickster you can cheese by repeating add/remove Finnean from inventory until you roll some nice extra modifiers.

You don't identify Finnean when you do that...when did you encounter this bug?

 

[Haplo]

How are you dealing damage 3 times per hit?

Living Ram is an additional proc on charge, Devastating Blow from above is an additional proc on weapon attacks, Ring of Sacred Touch is an additional proc on touch attacks. Currently have 4 weapon attacks + 2 bites and 1 gore. If anyone knows of more ways to get a weapon damage proc then tell me.

Boots of Stampede (available right away in Act 4). Baby dragon (Act 5).

Well, Aeon Bane used to be real nasty with such procs. Oh, and Resounding Blows too, I believe. MoJ obviously.

 

[Desiderius]

Is this playable without a buff mod?

Once you go BubbleBuff you won’t want to go back. Core can be played with min/lvl buffs, Hard with rnd/lvl, Unfair once you have a good handle on what you’re doing. Lower difficulties with longer duration buffs and decent play.

The game gives you enough rest to make good use of short duration abilities where they’re needed.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Vindication

 

[Average Manatee]

Once you go BubbleBuff you won’t want to go back.

True but I think at least attempting your first game on normal or core without it is a good idea. Buffbot does feel a little "cheaty". On the other hand replays without it at higher difficulty levels would be unbearable.

How are you dealing damage 3 times per hit?

Living Ram is an additional proc on charge, Devastating Blow from above is an additional proc on weapon attacks, Ring of Sacred Touch is an additional proc on touch attacks. Currently have 4 weapon attacks + 2 bites and 1 gore. If anyone knows of more ways to get a weapon damage proc then tell me.

Boots of Stampede (available right away in Act 4). Baby dragon (Act 5).

Well, Aeon Bane used to be real nasty with such procs. Oh, and Resounding Blows too, I believe. MoJ obviously.

Yep this is what I'm planning (though I'm on Demon and I'm not sure how to get Resounding Blows on a Magus spell book). MoJ = Mark of Justice I assume? Using that + Sentence

 

[Yosharian]

Yeah, I'm sure the three people who play that class are jazzed about that particular patch note

 

[Desiderius]

It is the default class of the third companion you meet, so it is likely more than three.

Very strong class with solid flexibility as it picks up class levels.

 

[scytheavatar]

It is the default class of the third companion you meet, so it is likely more than three.

Very strong class with solid flexibility as it picks up class levels.

It's a garbage class compared to Sohei. Because you can't fury with Rapid shot and Manyshot as a Zen Archer, while you can as a Sohei. Not to mention Sohei comes with a free horse to be a meatshield.

 

[EdgyRightWinger]

Once you go BubbleBuff you won’t want to go back.

But if I beat the game with mods does it really count?

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Lann is easily my most consistent damage dealer. Much better now though that his damage is fixed. Shocking that the default class of an early companion was busted for so long.

In any case you guys thought Thundercaller was a good class, so.... yeah.

 

[Correct_Carlo]

OK, I have created my party to tackle the final boss. I was limited by the gear I had at the mid-chapter 6 camp, because I'm not doing that opening boss/no-rest gauntlet again, which is why my Skald merc has to use a Glaive rather than something else. I created the Paladin & Skald mercs myself, avoiding critical hit based feats.....because what's the fucking point if the final boss is immune? Also, I have the mythic trick that allows you to take feats without pre-reqs, which actually means that it's kind of cool to build mercs at level 20 because you can skip certain pre-reqs.

• mc Demonslayer Trickster Archer
• Paladin (Seelah replacement): Longsword + Tower shield, mounted, with Max cha for Mark of Justice. Took advice of a youtube video I watched and added Monk and Bloodrager dips, but I avoided all critical hit feats to maximize basic BAB and damage. Also has blind fight + greater blind fight.
• Sensei (Soseil Replacement): Unarmed, Vital Strike Focus, with Max WIS for Guarded Hearth. Will have blind fight when I get my final mythic.
• Nenio (Because, Duh)
• Skald: Glaive focused, with all the skald rage shit. Honestly, I've never played a Skald before. I was just looking for additional ways to max to-hit, and I found a youtube video (some slav guy) laying out an unfair build. I mostly followed it, but avoided all the crit-based feats. Also have blind fight + greater blind fight.
• Ulbrig: Honestly, my existing Ulbrig build is pretty good, although I never finished the final boss of his dlc quest, so I don't have his most powerful items. Will have blind fight when I get my final mythic.

Now I just need to make it past all the fucking boss-level trash mobs in the second half of chapter 6 without crit feats on (most) of my melee characters. However, my Demonslayer, Ulbrig, and Nenio (rays) have all the critical hit feats, so hopefully it will be fine.

Will it succeed? Who knows. I have to go to bed, so tune in tomorrow to find out.

 

[Correct_Carlo]

Why the "meh" rating, King Crispy . Please enlighten me with your expertise.

 

[Crispy]

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for an RPG, albeit one that I gave up personal interest in months ago, I can't help but cringe a little at the lengths you're going through to "tackle the final boss", which I can only interpret as a statement that you couldn't with your original party.

That causes me to cringe a little in two ways, actually; WotR suffers from ridiculous balancing issues at times, and thus encourages -- even requires -- absolute munchkinism as evidenced in your new party plans to deal with it as opposed to maintaining a healthy level of respect for a good yet *fair* challenge to the player.

In this case, 'meh' = my feelings for the game and what you're having to do to complete it.

Is that clear enough, Juan?

 

[Grunker]

Is this playable without a buff mod?

BubbleBuffs is so amazing it should be core to the game - and its UI is so great, they could pretty much just implement it 1:1.

 

[Haplo]

I feel similarly to King Crispy.
Re-building the party just for the final boss? What a bizzare idea!

Even moreso that you have some weird choices there.

• Paladin (Seelah replacement): Longsword + Tower shield, mounted

Umm, why?!

• Sensei (Soseil Replacement): Unarmed, Vital Strike Focus, with Max WIS for Guarded Hearth. Will have blind fight when I get my final mythic.

A Sensei doesn't have access to Guarded Hearth. A cleric doesn't progress Unarmed damage. Have trouble understanding what was your intent here.