Red Dead Redemption 2 - now available on PC

[DalekFlay]

I3. UI and controls
As we know, good UI makes the game. For PC version, RDR2 UI and controls are horrible. From the get go you need to change the horse camera and controls. Still the horse handling will be terrible.The item and gun wheel that force you to use lots of keys and scrolling through items is good for consoles, but for PCs its horrible. Game takes your weapons into your horse, despite setting default equipment. It's annoying to take of the guns from horse -worse if you forgot them and mission already started. Re equipping hat-ugh, why not do this automatically when i get on a horse?

Every issue I had with the controls was about how they structured their UI and designed their inputs, none of it had anything to do with PC versus console IMO. I agree with everything else you said though, however I'm not sure how everything else you said amounts to an 8 out of 10 at all.

 

[Stavrophore]

I3. UI and controls
As we know, good UI makes the game. For PC version, RDR2 UI and controls are horrible. From the get go you need to change the horse camera and controls. Still the horse handling will be terrible.The item and gun wheel that force you to use lots of keys and scrolling through items is good for consoles, but for PCs its horrible. Game takes your weapons into your horse, despite setting default equipment. It's annoying to take of the guns from horse -worse if you forgot them and mission already started. Re equipping hat-ugh, why not do this automatically when i get on a horse?

Every issue I had with the controls was about how they structured their UI and designed their inputs, none of it had anything to do with PC versus console IMO. I agree with everything else you said though, however I'm not sure how everything else you said amounts to an 8 out of 10 at all.

Well there are not much good games lately, so maybe that's why i was generous.

 

[BeyondInsanity]

It's so immersive and well written and gorgeous. Ironic this was a console game for a long time, available only to an audience of impatient drooling mouthbreathers who "missed" half of what R* wanted to say with it.

Its insane how R* made such a slow paced and (comparatively) realistic game that probably even alienated a lot of people, can't see cdpr doing the same thing lol.

 

[AwesomeButton]

interesting that they opted to splinter the online stuff into a stand alone game. I think its probably got to do with the fact that CDProjekt are doing it with Cyberpunks multiplayer. They're probably testing to see if it makes more sense to release Online games as standalone. Not sure how I feel about that tbh knowing its loaded with MTX.

But Rockstar did it first with GTA V Online.

So how much can you actually do in the 5 dollar RDR Online before it forces you to use your credit card?

Everything. I reached lvl 50 before I got bored, at least for now. I went with a character looking like Cornelius Vanderbilt (as much as I was able to approximate him) and went to make gold and cash from being a trapper and then moonshiner. I wish I could play this as a continuous world economic MMO.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

But Rockstar did it first with GTA V Online.

The GTA option was announced as Free to Play the RDR was standalone paid. I expect the Free to play option will win out.
The EGS version wasn't standalone Free to Play rather a giveaway.

 

[typical user]

Hunting is annoying because you need certain weapons for certain animals, and these weapons will be unlocked only at the end of game, therefore you are cockblocked to hunt for legendary/pristine pelts... Pelts also pay poorly compared to robberies and other activities, so why bother beside crafting?

I disagree on the reasoning. Hunting is bad because of animal spawn-system - they spawn to close to you and start running away so the tracking feel artificial. If the animal has 2-star pelt it's trash - unless you hunt down legendary buck in West Elizabeth - anyway if you get 1 or 2 star pelt you can only sell it for scraps. If I get 2 star pelt from big animal like grizzly bear or gator I just leave it on the ground to have space for something more valuable. You can steal bolt-action rifle from Valentine Sherriff or his corpse. You can buy Springfield and varmint rifle from the money you get from initial robberies with Hosea and John in Chapter 2. The only somewhat annoying thing are small game arrows - but I substitute by using varmint rifle with legendary buck trinket. This in turn forces me to ignore snakes or birds with anything but 3-star quality.

Legendary animals you can hunt with whatever - you always get perfect pelts so use the most damaging weapons to avoid chasing it around.

Anyway like I said the problem with hunting is - you get pristine pelts or GTFO. You can't collect multiple lower-quality pelts as substitutes and make clothes or satchels from them. And satchels are the only thing you really want + the buck trinket. Also you need tons of pelts to craft stuff.

Arthur metamorphosis in the story also feel forced. He goes from being very obedient to being unruly very quickly and it feels fake. He nag and complains way too much, and that was probably rockstar decision to strongly emphasis that he has changed and doesn't believe dutch anymore. But it's so hamfisted and too frequent it started to annoy me a little. If you are so torn up and complaining, why the hell you even go along with his plan? Why won't you leave, or help the people you wanted and confront Dutch, maybe even killing him, as he clearly went of rails and endangers other people? It doesn't make sense. I haven't played as evil character so i don't know if there is a big change in plot. From what i've seen on youtube, there's only minor change, but i might be wrong. Still the same problems are left, with Dutch being alive and no true resolution.

I think his change of heart is perfect. He goes through existential crisis, he doubts Dutch but was raised by him. He taught him how to read and probably more sophisticated things than killing and riding a horse. He does not know what to do but questions his plans after each of them fails in spectacular fashion and he decides to turn on him after all seeing how following Dutch would kill others as it was slowly killing Arthur. I think the story was perfect - especially the epilogue which was designed to take things slow, allow players to cool-down only to use their anger once more in finale. Your criticism implies the game should be an RPG which I of course would endorse. But I knew the decisions in this game are minimal and you are actor playing Rockstar's story as such I didn't have any expectations how the story should end. I also knew who had to survive by the end - RDR2 is a prequel after all.

Game just like most of the games of 2020 panders to certain ideological viewpoints, albeit in semi ambigious way, redeeming it with sane snarky comments during the SJW missions. The prominent ideological theme in the game are: antiracism pandering[trying to make you friends with lennyt], feminist pandering[mission with escorting feminists], the myth of noble savage[indians are literally saint in the game, always provoked by US government], socialist commentary from dutch, anticapitalist action against bourgeouise concocted by dutch, slave[?]/socialist uprising in Guarma. Then there's the whole theme of inbreed rednecks, stupid uneducated, backward bigots of south, how retarded and stupid and worthless these people are. It's not targeted just at certain individual, there are disrespectful comments about whole town[Rhodes] and its inhabitants -a collective responsibility. Imagine a game, where characters would talk about black community saying: low iq, worthless, lazy retard welfare monkeys. There would be outrage.

Woah there chill out. I didn't have SJW issues with the game. Only the pamphlet from a eugenics racist or some sort was described as "nonsensical" where the game should just let us read it and decide on our own. I didn't have problem drinking with Lenny, neither with Indians - just because they are depicted as victims of colonism doesn't mean the developers want you to think all of them are. They are neutral. You should listen to the feminist in Saint Denis demanding right for women to vote - some things she tells players right in their face are completely idiotic on purpose. The game is neutral. It shows rednecks because they fit swamps. You go too far looking for propaganda where there is almost none.

 

[someone else]

Just got the online version, fun but got blown up by explosives while returning a bounty and lost the bounty.
Did a search and the turns out hacks have been around for at least a year.

 

[d1r]

So online is still as cancerous as it was back then when GTA5 was released on PC? No anti-cheat, nothing?

RDR Online sounds like fun. I am kinda inclined in trying it out. But if it's just a cheat fest, fuck it.

 

[polo]

Im baffled at how easy the game is, i think i died 2, maybe 3 times, and i remember 2 for sure; 1 was falling from a cliff with the horse early on, and 2 was a crocodile ate me, oh and yesterday i tried goin to blackwater, but im not sure if that even counts.

Edit: also gps for everything, and specially during missions the game takes your hand all the way, telling you exactly where to and what to do.

 

[spectre]

Ok, just what the fuck is with the controls in this game? I just returned a bounty to the sherrif, I hold the RMB to see if there's more talking to do.
For some reason my guy pulls out the pistol, I holster it immediately and I'm charged with fucking 10$ for disturbing the peace, but apparently we can't settle it in a civilized way and I can't turn myself in, so I need to shoot the whole fucking neighborhood.
The whole law and order thing in this game looks solid at first glance (I suppose you can still go on a rampage like you would in GTA, but the choppy controls prevent me, in any case, the law is actually quite relentless this time round),
but the way it works out in practice... oh boy. So I find this body hanging under the bridge, naturally, I'm investigating. Don't see any options to interact, so I try shooting it down. Surprisingly it works, but some local moron decides to rat on me to the authorities... for some reason.
Another time, I hitch my horse at town. Seems like I crossed some AI pathfinding, cause some guy is giving me shit for it, but I ignore him. What he does? He starts plugging away at me with the pistol. Self defense my ass, I end up with a bounty once again.
It's as though the game wants me to stay in the woods putting arrows through skunks.
Yet another time, I crash into a guy on horseback by accident, he's a bit pissed and pulls out his gun. For some reason, Arthur pulls out his piece but won't aim it and I get to bite three fucking bullets before it actually works as expected.
I could rant like this all day.
I like looking at the stats of every horse I come across, but no, sometimes the game decides there is a more important guy standing 5m behind the horse, so no clicky clicky.
Another day, I'm trying to pawn off a stagegoach, it's a bit like trying to park a bus with all flat tires, so I don't get it exactly right. The fence guy opens the barn door, hitting one of the horses and killing it.
I'm not even considering playing Cyberpunk, but apparently fate has decided that I am to get the experience.

I was half-considering buying it, if only to play online if it's any good, but man shit like that is just getting on my nerves.
At least I figured out how to manually save (I totally could miss that option), so some of the game's fuckups are salavageable. Not that it matters much, cause the game isn't really difficult, but I hate throwing away in-game money like that.

 

[Derringer]

I feel like both this and GTAV are AAA scams where they made the offline portions into badly scripted 3rd person shooters that waste your time with shitty dialog and cutscenes to force you to play the online component instead to try and get some entertainment value out of their product since it's mostly non-existent in the missions in those. Almost like Rockstar is self-aware that they designed them to be shit so they can get extra cash from kids and whales addicted to p2w grinding mmo bullshit. CD Projekt probably want the same cash as well.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

I feel like both this and GTAV are AAA scams where they made the offline portions into badly scripted 3rd person shooters that waste your time with shitty dialog and cutscenes to force you to play the online component instead to try and get some entertainment value out of their product since it's mostly non-existent in the missions in those. Almost like Rockstar is self-aware that they designed them to be shit so they can get extra cash from kids and whales addicted to p2w grinding mmo bullshit. CD Projekt probably want the same cash as well.

Funny how so many people disagree with you on that.

 

[Derringer]

You're going to have to prove it to me otherwise unless you're being sarcastic. Rockstar's newest games are cinematic skinnerboxes with pretty engines and pointless content, being the kings of garbage doesn't exactly impress me. Unless you like playing through bad movies that last too long that you can't skip through without Cheat Engine or youtube.

 

[Hellraiser]

You're going to have to prove it to me otherwise unless you're being sarcastic. Rockstar's newest games are cinematic skinnerboxes with pretty engines and pointless content, being the kings of garbage doesn't exactly impress me. Unless you like playing through bad movies that last too long that you can't skip through without Cheat Engine or youtube.

GTA V had decent missions even if I barely remember them compared to 3/VC/SA (mostly because I played V just once so far, I'll replay it eventually unlike IV or RDR2). GTA V also didn't bore you to death with useless immersive QTE/button prompt-filled cutscenes or slowing down the character to walk because 'muh immersion. It also didn't have you play a stockholm syndrome victim and endure obnoxious and aggravating characters as much. Arthur should have dumped the gang, form his own and go to war with Dutch's or something. In GTA V the annoyances such as Trevor at least had some comedic value, as did Michael's fucked up family.

Cutscenes and writing in V were an improvement over the snoozefest of GTA IV (base game, never played the two DLC). RDR2 was just a tedious slog and I honestly will never play the game ever game. One time was already too much. There are areas where V is a downgrade compared to GTA: SA, saying it is the same cinematic bullshit as RDR2 though is just plain wrong.

 

[Derringer]

or slowing down the character to walk because 'muh immersion

That's literally what I played in GTAV, the game would randomly slow you down when you collected missions at the beginning of the game, I was jumping just to get the player model to move faster since the run button wasn't working. And then every other mission is driving, worthless talking, scripted bullshit you have to follow script-by-script otherwise it was a game-over you could skip. I'm just not the target audience for this sort of pseudo cinematic open-world game if that's the case, no offense. It's basically the same shit as IV really, just that IV a shittier older version of the same game. By all means V is superior to IV but it's the same engine, just shinier, doesn't run and look like literal shit and actually has a few minigames to pretend the game isn't completely vapid and empty pretty wallpaper. Nothing wrong with the style of the writing but I'm just not a fan of cinematic TV drama cover shooters when the only plus is how much money they dumped into rendering it to look good.

 

[Ezekiel]

I can't believe you can't save wild horses in Red Dead Online. Feels like such a fundamental part. Greedy swine.

I can't even sell wild horses?! What have I been pulling the extra one along for this whole time?

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

I dunno what you are arguing about, BOTH RDR2 and GTA V were utter shit. Rockstar went from a company that made somewhat shallow but enjoyable games (Vice City, San Andreas, GTA IV) to some hipsterish outfit that makes terrible shit.

 

[Ezekiel]

Hey, why is my scrawny nag (starter horse) showing up in online free roam but my purchased horse is showing in missions? I cannot remove the saddle from the scrawny nag. Am I expected to buy my own saddle?

 

[someone else]

Hey, why is my scrawny nag (starter horse) showing up in online free roam but my purchased horse is showing in missions? I cannot remove the saddle from the scrawny nag. Am I expected to buy my own saddle?

Assign the saddle to your new horse in stables.

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Or better yet, put the saddle on Arthur. Dutch rides him pretty hard.

 

[Ezekiel]

Hey, why is my scrawny nag (starter horse) showing up in online free roam but my purchased horse is showing in missions? I cannot remove the saddle from the scrawny nag. Am I expected to buy my own saddle?

Assign the saddle to your new horse in stables.

Where in stables? Select my new horse and then go to Saddles? It only shows the locked ones.

 

[someone else]

I think nag doesn't have a saddle you can remove.
You should get a coupon for a free saddle with the first horse thief mission.
Should be a lumpley ranch cutter saddle, a few of the weathered colours, you have to change to colour by pressing left or right then the game will allow you to claim it using the coupon.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedDeadOnline/comments/eatdx9/free_starter_saddle_ticket/

I think this is one of the free saddles. If you have the coupon it will should claim or something at the bottom right.
You coupons should be under benefits.

 

[someone else]

 

[Xeon]

I finally finished the game, I didn't bother playing it before mostly because even tho I love western movies, I just like playing futuristic games than realistic history. Since people kept yapping a lot about it in anything CP77 related, I decided to play this instead.

Overall I think the game was pretty enjoyable, I loved all the characters and their dialogues, I enjoyed the feels of the world, was pretty good overall. Story kinda sucked tho, Dutch believing Micah over everyone else who have been with him for decades feels pretty dumb, also him wanting more and more money, even tho I had 7k cash and 18 gold bars and a lot of different jewelries from doing whatever made the story feels worthless and hollow or something. Still hit the feels in the end because of the awesome characters but that was it.

The camp system is barebone and it sucks, I unlocked all upgrades, the ones from ledger and the Pearson upgrades in ch2 and no one comments anything about everything I did, Grimshow and Dutch even complained telling me I stopped donating and I should get the fuck out instead of hanging in camp all day. Man, fuck them. There was no need to donate anymore since I unlocked everything and all the camp needs are at gold most time and I wanted to get everyone's item requests by waiting in the dumb camp, saving and reloading to trigger camp talks and whatever.

I dislike the gold objectives, I thought they might change things for better outcome or whatever but didn't seem like it and so I stopped caring, IIRC the only time an optional objective mattered was during the talk with Rain Fall, getting his lute or whatever thing undetected, it gave me a trinket. I also disliked everything having an animation, I got skip skinning animations and kinda wish I got more for looting and maybe to always keep my horse cleaned or whatever else.

 

[Sentinel]

Dutch believing Micah over everyone else who have been with him for decades feels pretty dumb

Arthur betrayed Dutch earlier with the indians

him wanting more and more money, even tho I had 7k cash and 18 gold bars and a lot of different jewelries from doing whatever made the story feels worthless and hollow or something

dutch didn't need or want the money, he was just hiding whatever you chipped in because he never planned to go anywhere with anyone.