SMT: Nocturne

[vibehunter]

So, is this a good jumping in point for someone who's never played SMT or Persona?

Although I am a little reluctant now with how shit the PC port is looking to be.

 

[d1r]

So, is this a good jumping in point for someone who's never played SMT or Persona?

Although I am a little reluctant now with how shit the PC port is looking to be.

Game's fucking great, and a good entry point for the series.

 

[Matador]

So, is this a good jumping in point for someone who's never played SMT or Persona?

Although I am a little reluctant now with how shit the PC port is looking to be.

Yes it is. Game is an absolute classic, and plays very well.

More modern games have more QoL features, the more important ones with the demon fusion system, but overall the game has aged very well.

 

[Nathir]

So, is this a good jumping in point for someone who's never played SMT or Persona?

Although I am a little reluctant now with how shit the PC port is looking to be.

It has no dating sim elements, no high schools, no waifus and no wish fulfillment.

Terrible, avoid at all costs.

 

[Average Manatee]

So, is this a good jumping in point for someone who's never played SMT or Persona?

Although I am a little reluctant now with how shit the PC port is looking to be.

It has no dating sim elements, no high schools, no waifus and no wish fulfillment.

Terrible, avoid at all costs.

What do you mean, the literal objective of the game is to have your wish granted.

 

[vibehunter]

Game's fucking great, and a good entry point for the series.

Yes it is. Game is an absolute classic, and plays very well.

More modern games have more QoL features, the more important ones with the demon fusion system, but overall the game has aged very well.

Cool. I'm looking forward to playing it, but would you say it's worth $50? Hefty price tag for what seems to be a very subpar port.

 

[GhostCow]

Game's fucking great, and a good entry point for the series.

Yes it is. Game is an absolute classic, and plays very well.

More modern games have more QoL features, the more important ones with the demon fusion system, but overall the game has aged very well.

Cool. I'm looking forward to playing it, but would you say it's worth $50? Hefty price tag for what seems to be a very subpar port.

Absolutely not worth it if you have already played it. Probably worth it if you haven't.

 

[Matador]

Game's fucking great, and a good entry point for the series.

Yes it is. Game is an absolute classic, and plays very well.

More modern games have more QoL features, the more important ones with the demon fusion system, but overall the game has aged very well.

Cool. I'm looking forward to playing it, but would you say it's worth $50? Hefty price tag for what seems to be a very subpar port.

If it's too expensive for you try to emulate the PS2 version with PCSX2. It works well.

The pc port doesn't look good, so I'm not going to buy it. And I have purchased smt4 smt4:apocalypse, persona 4 golden, persona 5 and devil survivor over the years because I like the franchise a lot.

 

[vibehunter]

Game's fucking great, and a good entry point for the series.

Yes it is. Game is an absolute classic, and plays very well.

More modern games have more QoL features, the more important ones with the demon fusion system, but overall the game has aged very well.

Cool. I'm looking forward to playing it, but would you say it's worth $50? Hefty price tag for what seems to be a very subpar port.

If it's too expensive for you try to emulate the PS2 version with PCSX2. It works well.

The pc port doesn't look good, so I'm not going to buy it. And I have purchased smt4 smt4:apocalypse, persona 4 golden, persona 5 and devil survivor over the years because I like the franchise a lot.

It's not too expensive. But $50 sets expectations for a certain level of quality.

I might just start with P4G instead.

 

[Matador]

It's not too expensive. But $50 sets expectations for a certain level of quality.

I might just start with P4G instead.

Make sure you don't mind the social sim aspect and the very,very slow start. If those don't bother you, the game is very good and charming.

 

[vibehunter]

It's not too expensive. But $50 sets expectations for a certain level of quality.

I might just start with P4G instead.

Make sure you don't mind the social sim aspect and the very,very slow start. If those don't bother you, the game is very good and charming.

Don't worry. I'm a closeted degenerate who secretly enjoys that stuff.

 

[ghostdog]

Game's fucking great, and a good entry point for the series.

Yes it is. Game is an absolute classic, and plays very well.

More modern games have more QoL features, the more important ones with the demon fusion system, but overall the game has aged very well.

Cool. I'm looking forward to playing it, but would you say it's worth $50? Hefty price tag for what seems to be a very subpar port.

If it's too expensive for you try to emulate the PS2 version with PCSX2. It works well.

The pc port doesn't look good, so I'm not going to buy it. And I have purchased smt4 smt4:apocalypse, persona 4 golden, persona 5 and devil survivor over the years because I like the franchise a lot.

It's not too expensive. But $50 sets expectations for a certain level of quality.

I might just start with P4G instead.

The remaster has incorporated skill transfer for fusing demons.

This may not mean anything to you, but it's a huge QoL improvement. If you haven't played it before, it's worth buying.

SMT III is miles better as an RPG than the newer persona games that are basically dating/school sims. P4 combat segments are boring, repetitive crap.

 

[Matador]

The remaster has incorporated skill transfer for fusing demons.

This may not mean anything to you, but it's a huge QoL improvement. If you haven't played it before, it's worth buying.

SMT III is miles better as an RPG than the newer persona games that are basically dating/school sims. P4 combat segments are boring, repetitive crap.

That's great addition to the remaster.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

There is one thing I have never understood. Why is it called "Nocturne"?

 

[Dishonoredbr]

There is one thing I have never understood. Why is it called "Nocturne"?

Because sounds Cool. Just like why they decide to call Lucifer's Call in EU.
SMT3 was the first Mainline SMT that had a localization , so they couldn't exctally call just Shin Megami Tensei III , when they and still didn't released 1 and 2 here, people would be confused.. Also Shin Megami Tensei isn't exctally the english name out there, they had to put something more common, hence Nocturne.

 

[Anonona]

Because sounds Cool. Just like why they decide to call Lucifer's Call in EU.
SMT3 was the first Mainline SMT that had a localization , so they couldn't exctally call just Shin Megami Tensei III , when they and still didn't released 1 and 2 here, people would be confused.. Also Shin Megami Tensei isn't exctally the english name out there, they had to put something more common, hence Nocturne.

It seems the original Japanese version was also called Nocturne. In fact out of Japan we received a version called SMT III Nocturne Maniax, but the Maniax subtitle was localized out of the cover, which was a special edition that added Dante and the True Demon route.

According to the wiki, at one point in development it was going to be called SMT: Vortex, refering to the Vortex World. My speculations are that Nocturne may had been used either because of how it contrast with its predecesors, breaking the formula of the classic Law vs Chaos narrative, or perhaps is because the Kagatsuchi plays an important role both in the gameplay and the story and it kinds of looks like a moon shinning on the vortex world.

And because it sounds cool.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

"Nocturne" suggest the idea of "night". But the setting, a deserted Tokyo continuously blazed by light, an inverted hollow spherical world with a god light-source set in its center, is everything but nocturnal.

 

[Deflowerer]

Because sounds Cool. Just like why they decide to call Lucifer's Call in EU.
SMT3 was the first Mainline SMT that had a localization , so they couldn't exctally call just Shin Megami Tensei III , when they and still didn't released 1 and 2 here, people would be confused.. Also Shin Megami Tensei isn't exctally the english name out there, they had to put something more common, hence Nocturne.

It seems the original Japanese version was also called Nocturne. In fact out of Japan we received a version called SMT III Nocturne Maniax, but the Maniax subtitle was localized out of the cover, which was a special edition that added Dante and the True Demon route.

According to the wiki, at one point in development it was going to be called SMT: Vortex, refering to the Vortex World. My speculations are that Nocturne may had been used either because of how it contrast with its predecesors, breaking the formula of the classic Law vs Chaos narrative, or perhaps is because the Kagatsuchi plays an important role both in the gameplay and the story and it kinds of looks like a moon shinning on the vortex world.

And because it sounds cool.

The theme of the game according to Okada was "creation from chaos". But yeah, the whole point of the game was that it would be more "Oriental" vs the previous entries which were based on the Western Judeo-Christian juxtaposition of Law and Chaos.

 

[Sentinel]

PC version of Nocturne HD includes all the versions of the game ever released - Vanilla (previously unavailable in the west), Maniax (released in US & EU) and Chronicle (Japan only).

This vanilla version is absent from the console releases.

 

[Sarkile]

Is there any reason to play the game on vanilla though?

 

[Sentinel]

Vanilla was harder (had different balancing especially on monsters that would show up in random encounters & instant death spells success rating)

Other than that, it had no bonus for keeping Pixie around, had no TDE ending, had no Fiends/Labyrinth of Amala, no Pierce, no bosses as allies, no Dante/Raidou.

 

[Sentinel]

Remaster on PC appears to be locked at 1080p. Anything higher is upscaled.

That'll be 70€ + tip.

 

[Terra]

Remaster on PC appears to be locked at 1080p. Anything higher is upscaled.

That'll be 70€ + tip.

OK at this point, this port has to be a secret collaboration with Koei Tecmo.

WTF is wrong with you Japan.

 

[Derringer]

Sure does beat PCSX2 at 4k.

 

[Nathir]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/nho65d/game_reviewer_difficulty/

New difficulty = made for game journos. Literally impossible to lose and get a game over screen. Even reddit agrees it's too easy.

But atleast we have voice acting right? Totally worth the 50€.