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Canonical lore of the first tier is what the player literally experiences within the game and nothing else, at least that's what Todd said in his interview with UESP, and I agree with his take on this matter.
so would you describe cyrodiil as a jungle or not?
As much as I hate it I would have to respect my playthough and say it's not (at least not in the timeline for Oblivion and Skyrim, since MK tried a workaround with From The Many-Headed Talos). And that's one of the reasons why it's a really sad thing that Oblivion happened. I expect to play Tamriel Rebuilt one day when it's more "finished", though I suppose that can never be the same as having an actually good official Cyrodiil game, the hurt can't really be undone.
 
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Canonical lore of the first tier is what the player literally experiences within the game and nothing else, at least that's what Todd said in his interview with UESP, and I agree with his take on this matter.
so would you describe cyrodiil as a jungle or not?
As much as I hate it I would have to respect my playthough and say it's not (at least not in the timeline for Oblivion and Skyrim, since MK tried a workaround with From The Many-Headed Talos). And that's one of the reasons why it's a really sad thing that Oblivion happened. I expect to play Tamriel Rebuilt one day when it's more "finished", though I suppose that can never be the same as having an actually good official Cyrodiil game, the hurt can't really be undone.
so what about the TES games where it is a jungle? Do they just not exist?
 

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Canonical lore of the first tier is what the player literally experiences within the game and nothing else, at least that's what Todd said in his interview with UESP, and I agree with his take on this matter.
so would you describe cyrodiil as a jungle or not?
As much as I hate it I would have to respect my playthough and say it's not (at least not in the timeline for Oblivion and Skyrim, since MK tried a workaround with From The Many-Headed Talos). And that's one of the reasons why it's a really sad thing that Oblivion happened. I expect to play Tamriel Rebuilt one day when it's more "finished", though I suppose that can never be the same as having an actually good official Cyrodiil game, the hurt can't really be undone.
so what about the TES games where it is a jungle? Do they just not exist?
Nope. In TES Online it's not a jungle either.
 
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Canonical lore of the first tier is what the player literally experiences within the game and nothing else, at least that's what Todd said in his interview with UESP, and I agree with his take on this matter.
so would you describe cyrodiil as a jungle or not?
As much as I hate it I would have to respect my playthough and say it's not (at least not in the timeline for Oblivion and Skyrim, since MK tried a workaround with From The Many-Headed Talos). And that's one of the reasons why it's a really sad thing that Oblivion happened. I expect to play Tamriel Rebuilt one day when it's more "finished", though I suppose that can never be the same as having an actually good official Cyrodiil game, the hurt can't really be undone.
so what about the TES games where it is a jungle? Do they just not exist?
Nope. In TES Online it's not a jungle either.

Cyrodiil very much is a jungle. But it also isn't. It's entirely dependent on whether you are observing the universe from before or after Tiber Septim's dragonbreak.
 

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Canonical lore of the first tier is what the player literally experiences within the game and nothing else, at least that's what Todd said in his interview with UESP, and I agree with his take on this matter.
so would you describe cyrodiil as a jungle or not?
As much as I hate it I would have to respect my playthough and say it's not (at least not in the timeline for Oblivion and Skyrim, since MK tried a workaround with From The Many-Headed Talos). And that's one of the reasons why it's a really sad thing that Oblivion happened. I expect to play Tamriel Rebuilt one day when it's more "finished", though I suppose that can never be the same as having an actually good official Cyrodiil game, the hurt can't really be undone.
so what about the TES games where it is a jungle? Do they just not exist?
Like I said, with MK's From The Many-Headed Talos (and the text's inclusion in Skyrim), one can think that Tiber Septim CHIM-ed and changed the landscape retroactively, so in a sense both jungle and non-jungle Cyrodiil exist. Just one more fucked-up time anomaly in TES world.
 

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Canonical lore of the first tier is what the player literally experiences within the game and nothing else, at least that's what Todd said in his interview with UESP, and I agree with his take on this matter.
so would you describe cyrodiil as a jungle or not?
Cyrodiil is the largest province in Tamriel, stretching 2/3rds of the way across the continent both east-west and north-south. It should never have been described as a single biome, and jungles couldn't possibly exist in most of its terrain, but it was a mistake for Oblivion not to include jungles in the sections that should have had a warmer clime. Of course, Oblivion in general was hopelessly generic, re-using the same meadows, rolling hills, and forests across the vast territory of the Imperial Province rather than even managing to replicate the ecological diversity that Morrowind demonstrated just in the island of Vvardenfell, much less the greater variety that should have existed in the vast area of Cyrodiil.
 
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Yeah, it's still alive. It might be in maintenance mode, the monetization is mostly fixed. Story isn't great, it has decent enough combat, where blocking and timing your swings matters. It's the most depth a TES game has had in combat which isnt saying much since 2/5 of them involved holding down RMB and flailing back and forth, 3/5 involved random hit chance, and the last 2/5 involved tank and spank.

The lore isn't that fucked up since it's basically mythology and people tend to ignore Toddy Hows on how the lore works.
 

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Cyrodiil is the largest province in Tamriel, stretching 2/3rds of the way across the continent both east-west and north-south. It should never have been described as a single biome, and jungles couldn't possibly exist in most of its terrain, but it was a mistake for Oblivion not to include jungles in the sections that should have had a warmer clime. Of course, Oblivion in general was hopelessly generic, re-using the same meadows, rolling hills, and forests across the vast territory of the Imperial Province rather than even managing to replicate the ecological diversity that Morrowind demonstrated just in the island of Vvardenfell, much less the greater variety that should have existed in the vast area of Cyrodiil.

Don't be so hard on Oblivion, it has total of 4 different tree biomes
which is pretty weird given how aspen, pine, oak and spruce trees shouldn't have any trouble at all growing next to each other, save for one being invasive.
What is more lame is how it's just forest, like there's nothing interesting in there that gives the forest life. Fallen trees, moss covered stones? Nah, just your copy pasted Ayleid Ruin/Fort/Cave.

But even then, even if Cyrodiil had jungle forest, I don't think the lore would had been saved that way, as lot of stuff in that game is tell, don't show, when it should be the opposite. The invasion of Daedra is nothing compared to wood elf undercutting some prices at Imperial City Market.
 

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