The Blood of Dawnwalker - Fantasy ARPG from ex-CD Projekt RED developers

[thesecret1]

We only need to look at any given disaster taking place in the real world to see cartoon villainy on full display. If the game is truly committed to nuance and grey morality over black and white depictions of such at every turn then there will likely be more reasonable individuals trying to treat the plague. Others will seek to exploit it to try and rule through fear - but we saw that play out during the 'pandemic' a few years back and that was focused around a far more minor and less lethal disease.

Stop excusing shit writing with feeble conjecture. All the evil shit you saw during the chinky flu had a financial or political interest behind it. What interest is there in a lord massacring his own tax base? Why would he go and personally oversee the gutting of some infectious peasants instead of just sending his underlings? It's bad writing, pure and simple, not some 4D chess.

Furthermore, this is a trailer. It's supposed to sell the game to the viewer, ie. it should be the best of the best the studio can produce, better even than the actual game. And yet the best they can do is cartoonish retardation, for a game presenting itself as being all about which path will you take and how moral will you be etc. Doesn't really fill me with confidence to say the least

 

[thesecret1]

No, I'm pretty sure it wasn't. It would be a lot more believable to show the persecution being about the accusation of spreading the plague deliberately, like poisoning the well or something similar. I never heard of sick children being executed in order to stop the spread of a disease, that is just modern grimderpness.

Once again, just a few years back we had a not insignificant chunk of the population suggesting that anyone who did not want to partake of experimental vaccines should be locked up in encampments or outright killed.

It's not much of a stretch to believe that if such individuals gained more power that they would turn their seething hatred on children and infants.

We already see it on many fronts in the current day. Each time some dysgenic freak murders a kid there are more dysgenic freaks crawling out of the woodwork to ask what the infant did to provoke such an act. Meanwhile those responsible for the atrocity are given light sentences or conveniently branded 'insane' to evade meaningful charges.

The call to murder refuseniks stemmed from them being a class enemy of sorts - it was a desire to slaughter political opponents. Are sick peasants political opponents of a feudal lord? Obviously not!

 

[Thalstarion]

Stop excusing shit writing with feeble conjecture. All the evil shit you saw during the chinky flu had a financial or political interest behind it. What interest is there in a lord massacring his own tax base? Why would he go and personally oversee the gutting of some infectious peasants instead of just sending his underlings? It's bad writing, pure and simple, not some 4D chess.

Furthermore, this is a trailer. It's supposed to sell the game to the viewer, ie. it should be the best of the best the studio can produce, better even than the actual game. And yet the best they can do is cartoonish retardation, for a game presenting itself as being all about which path will you take and how moral will you be etc. Doesn't really fill me with confidence to say the least

We don't know the full context as of yet. If the game comes out and every member of the nobility is presented as some cackling, evil caricature then that would indeed be very dumb and uninteresting.

There's a lot of room for nuance and I hope that the writers embrace and exploit that rather than taking the lazy route.

Perhaps some of them struck bargains in exchange for power or were manipulated into doing so in order for the vampires to swoop in and take advantage of the situation for their own goals.

We'll have to see how it all plays out, though assuming the developers are not lying there will be multiple ways to play through the game and hopefully that'll include who to side with and support as well.

Each to their own but I do not have an allergy to 'grim dark' depictions. I want decent game play and a decent story. Ideally excellent game play and an excellent story but with the state the industry is in of late I'll happily settle for 'decent'.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Feel free to dig up EVERYTHING about Devs.

no one gives a fuck about devs.

Steve Ballmer cared:

 

[Reinhardt]

actually normal behaviour for lords is to move away from plague ridden land. be it europe, russia or china - if you check records most of the nobles abandon cities at first sign of plague and leave only bare minimum of people to keep things in check. it would be much more believable if it was local peasantry doing pogroms and rounding up victims. now THAT was common.

 

[Harthwain]

I would be more forgiving to the trailer if the humans were some rogue mercenaries pillaging under pretense of helping contain the plague. Making a lord comically evil by going personally supervising killing everyone including children just seems forced.

IDK, the lord's actions made reasonable sense. Killing all plague victims to prevent its spread might be a bit extreme, but is well within the mindset of the period.

It would've made more sense had the child been cursed with vampirism, instead of common blight. Hunting down an incredibly rare and dangerous creature when it is the easiest to kill would require a more hand-on approach. Personally hutning down a plague carrier is simply insane, especially considering the mindset of the period as far as plagues are concerned.

 

[The Wall]

Mateusz Tomaszkiewicz
@MTomaszkiewicz
Creative Director for
@DawnwalkerGame
. Any views expressed here are my own.

Worked on #TheWitcher #Thronebreaker #Cyberpunk2077
@riotgames
MMO

Thanks for the info. He is younger brother of two brothers Tomaszkiewicz. This is one WOKE plague boil. As is KFC nigger in Kingdom Come. Time will tell

 

[The Wall]

I would be more forgiving to the trailer if the humans were some rogue mercenaries pillaging under pretense of helping contain the plague. Making a lord comically evil by going personally supervising killing everyone including children just seems forced.

IDK, the lord's actions made reasonable sense. Killing all plague victims to prevent its spread might be a bit extreme, but is well within the mindset of the period.

It would've made more sense had the child been cursed with vampirism, instead of common blight. Hunting down an incredibly rare and dangerous creature when it is the easiest to kill would require a more hand-on approach. Personally hutning down a plague carrier is simply insane, especially considering the mindset of the period as far as plagues are concerned.

You all pre-supose that management, in this case Feudal Lord, is competent. What from Human History, written and lived during your life times, gives you this iron faith in pre-supposed competency of human management?

I think this is your autism kicking in, somewhat. You look at human society and human individuals as well optimized perfect machine. Instead of, often times, truly retarded beings. The one who wrote this and one who read this, included

 

[markec]

I would be more forgiving to the trailer if the humans were some rogue mercenaries pillaging under pretense of helping contain the plague. Making a lord comically evil by going personally supervising killing everyone including children just seems forced.

IDK, the lord's actions made reasonable sense. Killing all plague victims to prevent its spread might be a bit extreme, but is well within the mindset of the period.

It would've made more sense had the child been cursed with vampirism, instead of common blight. Hunting down an incredibly rare and dangerous creature when it is the easiest to kill would require a more hand-on approach. Personally hutning down a plague carrier is simply insane, especially considering the mindset of the period as far as plagues are concerned.

You all pre-supose that management, in this case Feudal Lord, is competent. What from Human History, written and lived during your life times, gives you this iron faith in pre-supposed competency of human management?

Even if a noble is so evil or incompetent and decides to kill every single diseased person, I doubt any noble would be so dumb to personally go among the sick to personally oversee the killing.

 

[The Wall]

Nigger in KFC2 is by all LOGICAL metrics a retarded move by otherwise quite logical and thinking individual. Talking about Lord Vavra. Why the fuck would you not allow that local Feudal Lord, many of whom WERE cretins, made a single retarded decision. One used by writers to introduce Vampires as valley's New Management™

 

[The Wall]

I would be more forgiving to the trailer if the humans were some rogue mercenaries pillaging under pretense of helping contain the plague. Making a lord comically evil by going personally supervising killing everyone including children just seems forced.

IDK, the lord's actions made reasonable sense. Killing all plague victims to prevent its spread might be a bit extreme, but is well within the mindset of the period.

It would've made more sense had the child been cursed with vampirism, instead of common blight. Hunting down an incredibly rare and dangerous creature when it is the easiest to kill would require a more hand-on approach. Personally hutning down a plague carrier is simply insane, especially considering the mindset of the period as far as plagues are concerned.

You all pre-supose that management, in this case Feudal Lord, is competent. What from Human History, written and lived during your life times, gives you this iron faith in pre-supposed competency of human management?

Even if a noble is so evil or incompetent and decides to kill every single diseased person, I doubt any noble would be so dumb to personally go among the sick to personally oversee the killing.

Why? Did last 5 British Prime Ministers, or Mayors of multi-million cities like New York and LA, or the fact that utter, and I do mean utter buffons, scammers with papir thin mask and retards like Macron, Zelensky, Joe Biden or CLEAR shizos like Vučić, did all of these and 1000s of worse or equal scum in high positions throughout Human History gave you this Iron clad faith that Every local medieval Lord was Elon Musk, someone many of you consider retard, retard worth 400 billion $

 

[Thalstarion]

The ideal scenario would be for every game to be completely free of subversive elements. Though even looking back at some of my favourite games there are elements I would prefer to see removed or changed.

At some point you just need to either give up on the industry and hobby altogether or learn to try to nudge development teams in the right direction.

You all pre-supose that management, in this case Feudal Lord, is competent. What from Human History, written and lived during your life times, gives you this iron faith in pre-supposed competency of human management?

Yeah. It was a very mixed bag and every historical account is at risk of being falsified and adjusted. Not to mention morality has shifted considerably over the ages. I don't personally choose to judge past eras based on modern day real world morality.

I just want an interesting, dark and gritty game world to explore and for the game to let me come to my own conclusions when it comes to who to trust and who to work with.

If it delivers I will take my usual approach of different playthroughs. One as the stereotypical 'good guy' who tries to keep as many people alive as possible. Another playthrough as a bad guy who callously kills down anyone in his path and then a more opportunistic approach where it's a balance of both based on what benefits the protagonist at the time.

Even if a noble is so evil or incompetent and decides to kill every single diseased person, I doubt any noble would be so dumb to personally go among the sick to personally oversee the killing.

Many current members of the aristocracy in the modern era took an experimental vaccine that killed, maimed and/or left them with lifelong side effects to deal with. It's not a stretch.

Some members of the nobility were competent, others were not.

 

[Alienman]

Mateusz Tomaszkiewicz
@MTomaszkiewicz
Creative Director for
@DawnwalkerGame
. Any views expressed here are my own.

Worked on #TheWitcher #Thronebreaker #Cyberpunk2077
@riotgames
MMO

 

[markec]

The ideal scenario would be for every game to be completely free of subversive elements. Though even looking back at some of my favourite games there are elements I would prefer to see removed or changed.

At some point you just need to either give up on the industry and hobby altogether or learn to try to nudge development teams in the right direction.

You all pre-supose that management, in this case Feudal Lord, is competent. What from Human History, written and lived during your life times, gives you this iron faith in pre-supposed competency of human management?

Yeah. It was a very mixed bag and every historical account is at risk of being falsified and adjusted. Not to mention morality has shifted considerably over the ages. I don't personally choose to judge past eras based on modern day real world morality.

I just want an interesting, dark and gritty game world to explore and for the game to let me come to my own conclusions when it comes to who to trust and who to work with.

If it delivers I will take my usual approach of different playthroughs. One as the stereotypical 'good guy' who tries to keep as many people alive as possible. Another playthrough as a bad guy who callously kills down anyone in his path and then a more opportunistic approach where it's a balance of both based on what benefits the protagonist at the time.

Even if a noble is so evil or incompetent and decides to kill every single diseased person, I doubt any noble would be so dumb to personally go among the sick to personally oversee the killing.

Many current members of the aristocracy in the modern era took an experimental vaccine that killed, maimed and/or left them with lifelong side effects to deal with. It's not a stretch.

Some members of the nobility were competent, others were not.

Iam not talking about "competency" but cowardice from the incompetent or common sense of the competent.

Why would a noble who can easily order others to do his dirty work go among the sick and personally, up close, supervise killing of the diseased.

 

[The Wall]

Some members of the nobility were competent, others were not.

Precisely. All of this was a stage for Writers to have decapitation event of old incompetent Human Management that spilled too much human blood, something new Vampiric Management considers one of their most valuable resources akin to gold. There is even a line by main vampire that says exactly that

Premise? Ok. Execution? We'll see

 

[markec]

I would be more forgiving to the trailer if the humans were some rogue mercenaries pillaging under pretense of helping contain the plague. Making a lord comically evil by going personally supervising killing everyone including children just seems forced.

IDK, the lord's actions made reasonable sense. Killing all plague victims to prevent its spread might be a bit extreme, but is well within the mindset of the period.

It would've made more sense had the child been cursed with vampirism, instead of common blight. Hunting down an incredibly rare and dangerous creature when it is the easiest to kill would require a more hand-on approach. Personally hutning down a plague carrier is simply insane, especially considering the mindset of the period as far as plagues are concerned.

You all pre-supose that management, in this case Feudal Lord, is competent. What from Human History, written and lived during your life times, gives you this iron faith in pre-supposed competency of human management?

Even if a noble is so evil or incompetent and decides to kill every single diseased person, I doubt any noble would be so dumb to personally go among the sick to personally oversee the killing.

Why? Did last 5 British Prime Ministers, or Mayors of multi-million cities like New York and LA, or the fact that utter, and I do mean utter buffons, scammers with papir thin mask and retards like Macron, Zelensky, Joe Biden or CLEAR shizos like Vučić, did all of these and 1000s of worse or equal scum in high positions throughout Human History gave you this Iron clad faith that Every local medieval Lord was Elon Musk, someone many of you consider retard, retard worth 400 billion $

None of them would go and personally do things like killing a whistleblower, they would let others do those things for them.

 

[The Wall]

Iam not talking about "competency" but cowardice.

Why would a noble who can easily order others to do his dirty work go among the sick and personally, up close, supervise killing of the diseased.

Fedora Master if born as aristocrat in 14th century, I guarantfuckingtee you, would find much joy in burning down villages of his Slavic subjects and killing them. Would empty his coffers, would fill his heart with joy. Do you think such fucktards weren't born in high places back then? Do you think people had no quarrels with crown before French Revolution? Do you think that sociopaths wouldn't use any event, in this case THE Black Death which HALVED European population, as an excuse to do evil things

Lord made a stupid mistake. Created opportunity for Vampires. Vampires seized it. That hard to understand? They also got wrong in which early Fallout you leave your vault. I don't consider this my ideal RPG. Just something visibly better then what was offerred by mainstream in last almost 10 years

This is all becoming contest in diving into autism. I won't dive any deeper

 

[Reinhardt]

Iam not talking about "competency" but cowardice.

Why would a noble who can easily order others to do his dirty work go among the sick and personally, up close, supervise killing of the diseased.

Fedora Master if born as aristocrat in 14th century, I guarantfuckingtee you, would find much joy in burning down village of his Slavic subjects and killing them. Do you think such fucktards weren't born in high places back then? Do you think people had no quarrels with crown before French Revolution? Do you think that sociopaths wouldn't use any event, in this case THE BLACK Death which HALVED European population, as an excuse to do evil things

This is all becoming contest in diving into autism. I won't dive any further

nigger, it's a fucking plague. basic self-preservation instincts. no matter how much you love killing your taxpayers you don't want to rot in some ditch yourself.

 

[Tyranicon]

We're doing the usual thing of reading too much into something.

CGI trailers are made to amp up mainstream audiences. If you're looking for nuance there, you're barking up the wrong tree. They want to show a clearly bad guy and his henchdudes get brutally killed by a cadre of vampires. That's it. It's a cool trailer, but it doesn't ultimately reveal much about the game itself.

This is why gameplay trailers are important. Not only do they show the actual genre of the game (we don't know if this is a Soulslike, a TES-like or hell, even a turn-based RPG), but we can finally have discussions on whether the game is going to be good or shit based on some evidence.

We don't really have anything like that here.

 

[Reinhardt]

We don't really have anything like that here.

they announced gameplay reveal!!!!!!! any day now!

 

[Rahdulan]

Doesnt look too bad even tho I am not particularly thrilled by the snippets of gameplay they showed. At this point of the video they show a boss (?) fight and the player character takes a huge part of the screen:

Looks neat, but it is a cinematic trailer so it has to be taken with a grain salt. Asian vampire doing goofy ORAORAORA did not escape my notice, though. Supposed in-engine footage at the end was more interesting to me.

 

[MerchantKing]

BTW, why is there mongorion vampire? Did some Chinese guy build a wall in the area?

 

[Thalstarion]

Iam not talking about "competency" but cowardice from the incompetent or common sense of the competent.

Why would a noble who can easily order others to do his dirty work go among the sick and personally, up close, supervise killing of the diseased.

For the same reason they hunt animals up close, despite the risks there.

How many nobles perished in hunting accidents? Or because they were beset by bandits after taking a risky, ill-advised route? There's historical accounts of nobles poisoning themselves in the pursuit of a cure for minor afflictions.

I agree it would be stupid to depict the nobility as incompetent and psychotic across the board, though it'd be realistic for some to be portrayed in such a fashion.

Ultimately it's also a video game so there's an element of suspension of disbelief in the same fashion as with horror movies. You could pick apart any given chase scene in a horror movie, for example, though it's there for entertainment first and foremost so certain elements are played up.

 

[Reinhardt]

BTW, why is there mongorion vampire? Did some Chinese guy build a wall in the area?

why not? mongols reached potatos and pepiks.

 

[Drakortha]

DAY & NIGHT CYCLES!!!