The Codex of Roguelikes

[Peachcurl]

Also, what do you guys think about the notion that modern roguelikes actually allow, in some ways, for more roleplaying opportunities vs many modern crpgs? Just looking at a few roguelike titles and it seems like you get a lot of freedom to do different things that many crpg players would appreciate.

Yes and no. I agree to the notion in this sense: The freedom that you note indeed allows players to make their own adventure, which I think can allow for more "roleplaying" on the players side. Non-rogue-like RPGs tend to force you into certain roles.

However, on the "Dungeon-Master"-side, much less actual storytelling happens in roguelikes.

My hope is that AI tools will bring those two aspects closer together. And afaik, roguelikes are indeed the games where we see the first serious "experiments" with these tools. Nothing that is _really_ playable yet, but promising nonetheless.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Any opinion on Darkest Dungeon?

I got bored with it quickly.
Curious Expedition 2 does DD's niche of exploration into eldritch where party members gain stress and insanity, and it does it better than DD.
Probably just difference between games where failure feels that "I wasn't prepared right and pushed my luck" instead of lolrandom.

 

[Metronome]

After playing around with CDDA Experimental I have to say I don't like it. Things take forever now and the recipe menu is just fucking cluttered with shit. Was it really necessary to have 4 different types of plate armor?

Mainline CDDA has been in "simulationist autism" mode since like the past 2 - 3 years. In general they always nerf early game as much as possible to make it as slow as possible because otherwise CDDA turn into some optimized playthrough. In general the most fun in CDDA is semi larping and try not to break the game.

If you want a more streamlined CDDA with less autism you can find Bright Night: https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN

Bright Night is much more like CDDA 1 - 1.5 years ago but with some neat QoL ported from mainline

What is it with this genre and succumbing to turbo autism. I loved DCSS and now it's shit. CDDA is going down the same path it seems.

It doesn't take much skill to mod items or recipes into DDA. Since it is a game that is focused on simulation the features are allowed so long as they are realistic enough. So you have a lot of the junk you would find in your house in the game, potentially to be used in some context. Then you have a lot of recipes because someone finds something that could be mixed with something else to have a marginal use, which is allowed if it is realistic.

 

[KainenMorden]

I bought iratus necromancer edition for $13 on gog, I'm going to try that one and see if I enjoy it.

 

[Narushima]

are there any roguelikes/roguelites with tactical combat?

Yes.
All of them.

 

[Fedora Master]

The difference between NuCDDA and Bright Nights is staggering. Performance, gameplay, it's all much more reasonable.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

The difference between NuCDDA and Bright Nights is staggering. Performance, gameplay, it's all much more reasonable.

Yeah Bright Night is literally forked because some people feels mainline is getting too retarded.

It also has neat feature not in mainline, namely electricity grid without using the clunky vehicle mechanics in mainline. You can even power up whole house through socket and shiet like pre cataclysm iirc i read in BN.

I should get around playing it more, haven't done more than 1 - 2 hour testing on it

 

[Metronome]

 

[f2a]

Death rays ara a proverbial pain in the butt. Don’t give up, make sure to read guides and have the nethackwiki handy!

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

The difference between NuCDDA and Bright Nights is staggering. Performance, gameplay, it's all much more reasonable.

Yeah Bright Night is literally forked because some people feels mainline is getting too retarded.

It also has neat feature not in mainline, namely electricity grid without using the clunky vehicle mechanics in mainline. You can even power up whole house through socket and shiet like pre cataclysm iirc i read in BN.

I should get around playing it more, haven't done more than 1 - 2 hour testing on it

Wait, are you seriously saying that electricity actually works in BN? That's one of the few features I thought the game actually needed at this point beyond having an endgame. Can't say I gave that mode much thought before this, but now the next time I play the game I'll use that. It doesn't remove any guns, does it? Even if I end up going down to a select few I always like having a bigger selection of guns.
Come to think of it, I have found it mildly annoying that Dark Days of the Dead or whatever its called forces you into a game mode where bites are all insta-dead. Don't get me wrong, I know why, because that's how Romero films did it, but in Romero films most humans could take out a zombie one-on-one.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Come to think of it, I have found it mildly annoying that Dark Days of the Dead or whatever its called forces you into a game mode where bites are all insta-dead. Don't get me wrong, I know why, because that's how Romero films did it, but in Romero films most humans could take out a zombie one-on-one.

Huh they don't force you on that. It's one of optional mod I think

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

Come to think of it, I have found it mildly annoying that Dark Days of the Dead or whatever its called forces you into a game mode where bites are all insta-dead. Don't get me wrong, I know why, because that's how Romero films did it, but in Romero films most humans could take out a zombie one-on-one.

Huh they don't force you on that. It's one of optional mod I think

If you use the optional mod, which I mentioned, it forces that on you, whereas before in that mod, bites didn't mean death. I liked how it was before and its mildly annoying having to comment out that change should I want to play it that way.

 

[Metronome]

Just won Nethack again for the first time in about a decade.

win screens

Won with a samurai this time. I remember winning with a rogue before. I think I will try out some of the other classes after this.

 

[TheDeveloperDude]

Just won Nethack again for the first time in about a decade.gue before. I think I will try out some of the other classes after this.

Nethack is the only roguelike what you can play on Android smartphone.
Because you can zoom in/out the screen.
It is very unfortunate I had not been able to leave the first room. Tried searching the walls - run out of food.

 

[Peachcurl]

Just won Nethack again for the first time in about a decade.gue before. I think I will try out some of the other classes after this.

Nethack is the only roguelike what you can play on Android smartphone.
Because you can zoom in/out the screen.

That can't be true, there HAVE to be some other examples that work well on Android.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Cataclysm has android port that's decent. Can zoom in/out as well. Need a lot of manual tweak from default setting because their side bar UI is too big by defaul tho

 

[Serus]

Cataclysm has android port that's decent. Can zoom in/out as well. Need a lot of manual tweak from default setting because their side bar UI is too big by defaul tho

Don't wan't to be pedantic but Cataclysm isn't what one would call a typical roguelike. How does driving cars work on Android?

 

[Metronome]

Finished a Nethack run with a tourist, was pretty close in the end

win screens

I got lucky with finding the right altar on the first pass. I don't think I would have survived going back around.

 

[Dadd]

Has anyone played Ultima Ratio Regum? How is it?

 

[Irata]

Android Roguelike

(Shattered) Pixel Dungeon is supposed to be a really good Android roguelike. This was probably already mentioned though.

Ultimate Ratio Regum

I've not put any real time into it, but I believe it is less of a game and more of a story generator.

https://ptrefall.itch.io/horde-survivors

I shilled for this earlier, but there is a new version out. I enjoyed my time with it.

 

[PapaPetro]

@ Reminder @ you can play Angband and the variants online live here:
https://angband.live/play#
https://crawl.develz.org/

 

[Metronome]

Dwarves dug out this entire level I was grinding on in Nethack

I actually died here to huge monster spawns here while carrying the amulet up, so it was not so cool after all.

 

[V17]

Android Roguelike

(Shattered) Pixel Dungeon is supposed to be a really good Android roguelike. This was probably already mentioned though.

Pixel Dungeon and its forks are quite simplistic compared to PC roguelikes, people seem to like them, but I found them boring.

Pathos: Nethack Codex is the best Android roguelike I've played. The name is a bit unfortunate: it's a new game (so not a fork) heavily inspired by Nethack, simplified, but not to the degree of something like Pixel Dungeon, all the systems are more transparent (no spoilers needed) and the UI is designed with phones in mind. It's pretty accessible while still retaining quite a bit of the Nethack craziness.

 

[PapaPetro]

Did they ever update Incursion: Halls of Goblin King since it went open source? It was the best 3.5e D&D roguelike and brought a lot of new mechanics with depth to the scene. Great stuff.

 

[Covenant]

Did they ever update Incursion: Halls of Goblin King since it went open source? It was the best 3.5e D&D roguelike and brought a lot of new mechanics with depth to the scene. Great stuff.

One thing I liked about Incursion was that you could find powerful magical items that significantly changed how you played without being overpowered. In too many roguelikes (and games in general), you get some lucky find and it's something like 'Great, my punches now do +1 damage', or 'Cold attacks do 30% less damage to me', with the net result that you carry on playing nearly exactly the same way as before. Even in games like ADOM or Nethack, when you get a wish it normally goes on seven league boots or grey dragon scale mail or something that won't actually change your playstyle at all.

Incursion let you find some powerful stuff that would allow you to try completely new approaches or just stomp all over certain situations, but which didn't generally wreck the game because there were a dozen more types of challenges that your cool new item didn't help you with at all.

I can imagine that (like 3.5 D&D itself) it was easily exploitable by munchkins, but as a more laissez-faire player I found it pretty fun.