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The Codex of Roguelikes

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Occasionally Fatal, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. thesheeep Arcane Patron

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    If you were going that route, I'd opt for Rogue Legacy. At least that one has stats ;)

    But honestly, I do not consider those roguelikes. While the possibility to die at every step, permadeath and the procedurally generated world are a must-have for any roguelike, there is more.
    Another must-have to identify as a roguelike is being an RPG. Meaning based on character skill instead of player skill, and a meaningful character system. Which is why games like Spelunky are not roguelikes, though certainly inspired by those.
     
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  2. AMG Arbiter

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    By that logic the original Rogue isn't a roguelike since it doesn't have any character system to speak of :M.
     
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  3. Castanova Prophet

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    Indeed. That's why it's called "Rogue" and not "Roguelike."
     
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  4. murloc_gypsy Arbiter

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    I played tons of Nethack on my android tablet. Tons. Was really digging the variety of items and monsters. And the crazy, random effects of scrolls, fountains and other shit you'd find. Then I tried Angband (some variant of it anyway) which wasn't as good. I also tried ADOM but I just couldn't get myself into it for some reason. Nethack is thus far my favourite.
     
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  5. Deuce Traveler Prestigious Gentleman 2012 Newfag Patron

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    I am trying ADOM right now. First, I tried the DOSBox version, but then I gave the most recent freeware release a go, which is compatible for current operating systems. I have to grudgingly admit that I am glad I did so, because the game seems more complete and the interface handles better. I do recommend giving ADOM another try because of this as it is quite a bit more fun and addictive in the newer incarnation.

    As for TOME, I like the DOS version, but the newer T-Engine version seems a lot different to me, to the point where I am unsure they are the same game. If I meet my goal of beating ADOM by the end of the year, I may come back to both versions of TOME and try to give a better judgement. So far I still prefer the older version of TOME than this newer one.

    I do agree that NetHack is awesome. I liked Angband, too, but found Zangband to be more enjoyable, though maybe because I just liked Zelazny's Amber series.
     
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  6. getter77 Augur

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    ToME's DOS version IS a wholly different game with a Tolkien theme and expanded Angband variant sensibilities. It is ToME 2 versus the current incarnation which is ToME 4.

    If ToME 2 ultimately especially gives you a good feel, you will also probably quite likely find some entertainment within the old contemporary of it, Furyband:

    http://www.furytech.net/furyband/furyband.php
     
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  7. Kuhrazy Educated

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    Hell, that's what I hate about *Crawl*, although ToME seems even worse about it.
     
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  8. Kuhrazy Educated

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    Nethack was the first roguelike I got into, but I would recommend a variant like Dynahack over vanilla without hesitation.
     
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  9. desocupado Magister

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    Well, they really seem bent on turning regular mobs into dangerous stuff on the latest releases. The vaults are a lot more dangerous now, due to the vault guards that close dorways and the dividing of the dungeon into the dungeon and the depths. The midgame is more dangerous now.

    Early game is pretty much unchanged tho.
     
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    Tome4 has very deadly rare monsters now. If you disregard them because the trash mobs are so easy, you will die
     
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    This actually makes it harder because if you don't pay attention for a couple of turns, you can end up dead
     
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  14. Nicolai DUMBFUCK

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    These recent versions of ADOM are pretty chill. Solid tiles, buncha new dungeons and plenty of bug fixes. I won for the first time in a good while with a human barbarian yesterday, feels good.
     
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  15. Kuhrazy Educated

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    In general it seems like the more hack-and-slash a roguelike is, the more "death by boredom" factors into the difficulty.
     
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  16. TripJack Prestigious Gentleman Hedonist

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    New Crawl update

    Some changes:
     
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  17. desocupado Magister

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    Wow, some radical changes there, with the corrosion and inventory weight. Wonder what did they do with the ranged combat.

    EDIT: * Spider Form now moves at normal speed, and no longer gives clinging.
    Fuck, this is going to fuck up draconian transmuters badly.

    EDIT2: Reading more of it, sounds like some popamolization. Might end up being good in the end of things, have to give it a try. The changes aren't all THAT drastic, to be honest.
     
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  18. stony3k Augur Patron

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    Tons of changes, will have to see how it plays out. I'm not ready to call "popamolization" yet, at least until I've played around a bit, but it does look like they're making the game less random, or the effects of randomness less extreme.
     
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  19. Essegi Cipher

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    Frozen Depths after a lot of time finally has a new and nearly final version (maybe there'll be a bugfix update but not a major one):
    http://frozendepths.net/
    It's a nice simple roguelke with a nice "frozen" theme.
    Worth a check.
     
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  20. dnf Pedophile Dumbfuck Shitposter

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    What u guys think of Sword of the stars: the pitt? I think it's fun, but i rarely play roguelikes. Any more roguelikes for graphicwhores. I already played TOME and Doom. I want to try mistery castle but for some reason their site doesn't let me download the windows version...
     
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  21. Damned Registrations Prestigious Gentleman Furry Weeaboo Nazi Nihilist

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    I thought it was awful. Incredibly repetitive and dumbed down, and the animations made everything super tedious.

    IVAN has a tileset, and is generally fun to fool around in for a while, if not to seriously try to win. ADOM recently added a fairly hi res tileset too, though imo it's got one of the most inane bullshit learning curves of any roguelike out there.
     
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  22. Doctor Sbaitso SO, TELL ME ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS. Patron

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    Big fan of Zangband. I have tried maybe 5 variants and this is the most well rounded IMO.
     
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    Liberal Crime Squad would prob be best.
     
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  25. Monstrous Bat Cipher

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    The NetHack devteam is still around? :what:
     
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