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The Dragon Age: Inquisition Thread

Discussion in 'BioWare' started by Bradylama, Nov 17, 2014.

  1. Quillon Magister

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    I was in my second run of DAI when Witcher 3 came out, after I beat Witcher 3 I tried to return to DAI, just playing it felt like shit, never played it again but beaten W3 several times since. They are definitely not same quality gamezzz
     
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  2. Doktor Best Arcane

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    There were good reasons to endure Witchers 3 flaws. There was almost no reason to endure the ones of Inquisition.

    Honestly, anyone who thinks they're on the same level or even close has highly questionable taste in my book. Its like saying Transformers is on par with Terminator 2. Yeah, theyre both pretty mindless action flicks, but there still is a world of quality difference between them.

    And if you spammed dodge roll on Witcher 3 that just means you didnt understand the combat system, just saying.
     
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  3. Danikas Magister

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    What is the main feedback you took from players on Dragon Age: Inquisition?

    It would be just the players want to see the exploration areas sort of incorporated a lot more tightly into the story, have a bit more fleshed out writing. I was playing The Witcher 3 recently and I think they actually did a really good job with their side quests, sort of making them feel alive, have interesting characters, and things like that. People are accustomed to BioWare games just being sort of chock-full of story, and I think that's going to be the team's main goal. I'm not on Dragon Age anymore myself, I passed it off to Patrick Weekes, he's another senior writer who works with the company and I think they're very excited about the direction that they're going to go next; we all learned a lot from Inquisition.

    https://www.gamereactor.eu/david-gaider-storytelling-dragon-age-and-bioware/




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  4. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    The bloody baron quest is good because the writing, story and choices are good. The quest design is still "go to marker and fight or press F" though. DA:I when it tries has pretty good story missions too, but they're WAY too rare and also play follow the marker.

    Anyway, I never said the games are equal, I said they have the same problems. The exploration in both is big open worlds with nothing interesting to do in them outside of story quests. Leveled loot, leveled monsters guarding leveled loot, crafting materials you don't really need, etc. The combat is different, but I don't think either game is a great example of its genre style and I prefer meh RtwP to meh whacky-whacky. However yes, Witcher 3 is "better" because it has mostly better and more of the only reason to play either game... story quests.
     
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  5. GreyWardens Rock Educated

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    Repeating him won't make it good.

    We're not talking about SJW annoyance here (as in right now), it's just that Dorian has nothing rememberable besides his mustache, being gay and having father issues.

    For Origins, you're just wrong, the game is not a masterpiece visually (or anywhere else), but it's leagues ahead of Inquisihit's mish mash of copying whatever's popular. For II, it's more of a time/budget thing rather than direction, as it did some things better than Origins, for example elves and qunari are more defined and differentiated from humans rather than simply being leaner/stronger RPG cliche versions of them, which DAI goes back on, though more in characterization than in art.

    Which is funny, as AssCreed games up to Syndicate, were kind of unique despite all the copy/paste design and UbiCollectathon crap.

    Really? That just sucks.
     
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  6. Vorark Arbiter

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    Speaking of elves, it's disappointing how DAI gravitated towards putting the spotlight on them with that final DLC. I've always digged how the series up until then treated them like garbage (city elves) or irrelevant isolationists (forest elves or w/e they were called) without falling into the usual pit most fantasy settings do of putting them into a high-and-mighty-we're-special pedestal. Then comes the epilogue DLC and bam, it was the elves doing all along.
     
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  7. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    I think his main "thing" character wise is insane arrogance and Tevinter lore dumps, but you're not wrong that his personal quest stuff all revolves around his mean daddy. Still, when I take him along instead of Solas he mostly just mocks people and acts like an arrogant ass, which I enjoy.

    I haven't played the DLC yet, but my understanding of it was that it basically made the entire elven history of the series into lies, making the humans more "right" than they previously were. I guess I'll find out soon-ish.
     
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  8. sullynathan Arcane

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    I don't know what you're talking about here
     
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    :hmmm:
     
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  10. aweigh Arcane

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    - ANNA

    - NEESHKA

    - SERA ???

    Manic pixie dream rogue tradition going down hill ^_^

    needed to use a mod just to dick her down, lame. Oh well, at least Sera has a proper thigh gap like a real woman, unlike Shadow of the Tomb Raider's FAT FAT FAT Lara Croft who looks doughy.
     
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  11. AwesomeButton Cut a deal with the authorities Patron

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    Now there is someone who understands what I mean.

    Every game has aspects on which it concentrates and aspects on which it just delivers the minimum. If you take combat and story/characters/dialogue for example, you can rarely, if ever, have a game that's 100% solid on each side. You can either open every box and investigate every tree stump, or have a demanding and involved combat system. As a player I don't give preference to one side of gameplay over the other, but when I figure out what the game is accentuating on, I have high expectations of that area of gameplay. That's why I can play both combat-heavy and story-heavy games. I just try not to expect of the game something it never was intended to offer. Otherwise I would be terribly disappointed with every game.

    I had preordered DAI, and I had bought the hype that they are returning to DAO's formula, but adding more exploration. That was my mistake. How dissapointed I was to see that the writing was fanfic tier, the exploration was MMO-inspired. Add the button mashing combat system, and I found I had nothing to play this game for. It was a hollow experience, and the writing was smacking me over the head with its inanity at every turn.

    I actually expected Witcher 3 to be the same shallow shitshow and pirated it just for the lulz of a few hours gameplay. When I hit about 60 hours of playing I bought it full price, because it was worth it. I had found what the game accentuates on, I liked the quality, and the other areas were not unforgivably bad, or were within the limits of what I expected of a AAA game. I knew I was playing an interactive movie with light RPG elements, and that the game was intended as such, and I was ok with it. DAI was also trying to put an emphasis on writing, story and characters, but its quality in that area was far far inferior.

    See, DalekFlay , even Gaider understands.
     
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  12. Quillon Magister

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    What I meant was beside those which obviously W3 is better at. Picking DAI back up just after W3, I noticed how much worse it played; controls, combat, dialogue, UI... W3 just played a lot smoother in every way and it was just 6 months newer.
     
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  13. alyvain Learned

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    I'm not an expert or anything, but I always felt that the elves in DA came straight out of The Witcher books. Just with less flavor, because Sapkowski used some gruesome stuff of recent Eastern European history circa WW2.

    The presentation is mostly the same: we see remnants of a civilization long destroyed by humans who are now treated like shit, then we learn that the elves were fucked-up assholes as well.

    The "reveal" came in Inquisition/Tresspasser. If you already have seen the reveals like that, all this seems kinda stupid.
     
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  14. Falksi Arcane

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    In terms of craft, Witcher 3 has way more quality than DA:I. DA:I really is a b-movie game, which feels tacky & cheap right through.

    But that doesn't make TW3 any good. We're all arguing the toss here between who's the hardest, Verne Troyer or Mother Teresa, whilst the Arnold Schwarzenegger of Baldur's Gate laughs and crushes both with a wet fart.
     
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  15. AwesomeButton Cut a deal with the authorities Patron

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    IMO nowadays it's nearly impossible to be original in fantasy. "Being original" pretty much amounts to (1) Find real-world historical reference which is obscure enough, or requires more indepth reading to find (see George Martin), so it has been overlooked by other writers before you, but is (2) adherent enough to established tropes so that you can derive your fantasy-world analogy from it without grossly disturbing readers' expectations.
     
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  16. AwesomeButton Cut a deal with the authorities Patron

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    But Baldur's Gate is a different genre - RPG.

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  17. alyvain Learned

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    On a side note, I remember some Americans in 2009 saying that Qunari remind them of native Americans. It was so weird. I guess Tolkien's principle of allegory/applicability still stands, even in the strangest way possible.
     
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  18. AwesomeButton Cut a deal with the authorities Patron

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    I always thought the Qunari borrow from the early Middle ages expansionist Chaliphate, and the Elves are the analogy of the bitter and powerless Native Americans.
     
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  19. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    I'm not sure what your big disagreement here is since I have said repeatedly that Witcher 3 does dialog and story and such extremely well. That's why people like yourself love it, and I get that. All my criticisms of it are outside of that, and it seems you agree with most of them, so... okay? All I've said is the gameplay itself shares most of DA:I's flaws, empty leveled worlds made for ticking off markers, and that for that reason it's pretty much equally disappointing to me as an interactive video game. So I'm not sure what we're arguing about, honestly. My only point to you specifically was that "this is loved much more by the mainstream" is a shitty argument on a site devoted to niche CRPGs.

    Also I don't think DA:I is anywhere near as story-focused as Witcher 3. It has like 7 quests in the main story and a handful of companion quests and everything else is pretty bare bones, story wise, in a game that takes 100+ hours to reach the level cap.
     
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  20. Falksi Arcane

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    You know, I was thinking about this, and neither TW3 or DA:I are good in.....well......any genre.

    Action RPGs? Sandbox Games? Open world games? Well I personally MUCH preferred..........

    • Divinity 2:TDKS
    • Mass Effect 1
    • Assassins Creed: Origins
    • The Witcher 2
    • Kingdom's of Amalur
    • Deus Ex: HR & MD
    • Skyrim
    • Nier
    • Fable 2
    .........and many more..

    That doesn't mean I think they are of the same ilk, or even good games in their own right (I think Skyrim is shallow trash), but I had more fun with all of them than I did either DA:I or TW3 whichever genre they fall in.
     
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  21. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Risen was much better than either if we're going by "action RPG," and it's not close. Again this is why "the mainstream love Witcher 3" is such a shit argument. They hated Risen, and it's a ten times better RPG. Witcher 3 is a much better movie though.
     
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  22. Falksi Arcane

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    I thoroughly enjoyed Risen 2, a million times more than TW3 or DA:I. But, and this is what'll upset a few folk, I thought Risen 2 was way, WAY better written & voiced than TW3.

    TW3 may have had more polish, but it was dull and lacked any real dips or spikes. It was full of fucking bland-talk. Risen 2 was funny as fuck, with some great banter.
     
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  23. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    bioware bad
    [trained seal clapping begins]
     
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  24. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Not sure how I'd compare it to Witcher 3 off the top of my head but I loved Risen 2's sarcastic wit and pirate setting. It's what got me through the game, despite "corridor islands," and was very well done. Shame Risen 3 lost that somehow.
     
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    which risen is the one that completely blinds you with the bloom turned up to 11 and no way to turn it off?
     
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