Incline The Valkyria Chronicles Thread

[Gerrard]

>doesn't like anime
>plays anime games
>complains about them being too anime

 

[spekkio]

^
Don't be a tard.
MhC plays for the tacticul kombat waifus, not the animu.

 

[Arthandas]

I'll repost this here since the VC review thread is basically dead and maybe someone here will sell me on this game before the Steam sale ends:

According to this review the AI is dumb and there's an overall unbalance. How come it's still considered good if the most important things for a strictly single player tactical game are bad?
I was considering to buy it since it's 66% off on Steam but the bad AI is enough to make it a deal breaker for me and there's also the lack of balance (and loli hentaii dlc)...

 

[Lerk]

I'll repost this here since the VC review thread is basically dead and maybe someone here will sell me on this game before the Steam sale ends:

According to this review the AI is dumb and there's an overall unbalance. How come it's still considered good if the most important things for a strictly single player tactical game are bad?
I was considering to buy it since it's 66% off on Steam but the bad AI is enough to make it a deal breaker for me and there's also the lack of balance (and loli hentaii dlc)...

The AI isn't amazing, but it's not a deal breaker by any means. Stacking orders on scouts can lead to imabalanced rushes, but again this is meta game knowledge that doesn't come into play during your first playthrough (scouts only get all the tools they need to become powerhouses in New Game Plus)

Some advice if you do get it; ignore the mission rankings. The game is far more fun if you play it tactically, and take your time. Rankings are worthless anyway, as they only take into account the amount of turns it takes you to complete the main objective.

At 66% off it's a steal. Do yourself a favour and get it, there's nothing else quite like it, and the it's one of those games that's especially more than the sum of its parts.

 

[Grimwulf]

According to this review

If you're talking about Crooked Bee's review - it's good, but has some, well, extremely subjective moments. For instance, she named the main flaw of the game being the rating system, while I always considered it one of the best aspects of gameplay. Planning your actions aiming to complete the mission with less turns possible (= in the most effective fashion) boosts replayability to insane hights.

AI - I frankly consider it to be rather good. I played the game on PS3, but years later after it was released (it was patched a few times), and I only saw AI being outrigt dumb on just several occasions. I understand that it's mostly scripted, and don't usually have to impovize, but you get a feeling a fair fight and decent challenge, pretty much on every mission.

I like this game. Don't like weeaboo normally, but this one conquered my vatnik heart.

 

[Grinolf]

I'll repost this here since the VC review thread is basically dead and maybe someone here will sell me on this game before the Steam sale ends:

According to this review the AI is dumb and there's an overall unbalance. How come it's still considered good if the most important things for a strictly single player tactical game are bad?
I was considering to buy it since it's 66% off on Steam but the bad AI is enough to make it a deal breaker for me and there's also the lack of balance (and loli hentaii dlc)...

Combination of nice gameplay with missions diversity mostly. Few maps sucks, like boss battle ones, but in most cases they are good at keeping things fresh.
Also problems in balance lie mostly in railloading player with clearly superior weapon upgrates and character's abilities. But type of weapons and characters are set in different classes and balance between each of them is decent. Only tanks and snipers I find on the weak side, but fist had their uses at the start of the game and in few very specific circumstances and later become semi-useful after unlocking characters with a good skill and getting some weapon upgrades. There are also some some cheese with orderrs, but it requires some experience with game mechanic.

Ai, yes, is very dumb and it is a major issue of the game, as after a few misssions it's very easy to find a ways to abuse it,which is trivializing the game.

 

[Arthandas]

But on top of bad AI, from what I've read, it doesn't even have difficulty settings, which means I'm 100% sure it will be too easy. The lack of selectable difficulty in Japanese productions is fucking retarded and pisses me off to no end. It always means the game will be fine for casuals and fucking rape walk in the park for anyone using his brain veterans of the genre. The only Asian PC production with difficulty settings that I can think of is Ys...

Quick Google search didn't produce any AI/balance mods and according to NeoGaf, they patched the bug that actually made the game more challenging and fixed the scout rush exploit. Maybe I'll go deeper and search for the files responsible for that particular "fix" so I could unpatch it.

 

[Grimwulf]

But on top of bad AI, from what I've read, it doesn't even have difficulty settings

It's been some time, but I am 95,443% sure you can change the difficulty. Anyway, the challenge is in completing missions in least turns possible (getting highest rating). If you play for the sake of simple win, then it's gonna be a cakewalk, no matter what.

 

[Grinolf]

The lack of selectable difficulty in modern games is fucking retarded and pisses me off to no end.

Fixed. Still selectable difficulty doesn't guarantee that even the hardest one is going to be challenging. But yes, game is pretty easy after a couple of missions. Anyway you could try a demo version from the known resource and see if it's fun despite it's flaws or not.

 

[spekkio]

Maybe I'll go deeper and search for the files responsible for that particular "fix" so I could unpatch it.

I'm 99% sure that using an older exe would be enough. Earlier patches were only modifying the exe AFAIR.

 

[Arthandas]

Still selectable difficulty doesn't guarantee that even the hardest one is going to be challenging.

Yes (Stick Of Truth being the best example) but by adding a difficulty setting you at least acknowledge than not everyone is a fuckin casul. Just look at http://www.insanedifficulty.com, a whole community of modders who tweak jrpgs to make them more difficult. Even the western games have major realism/difficulty mods on the Nexus. It's like we need to beg the developers to make their games at least a little bit difficult.

Ehhh, I miss the NES/SNES times when games were made for gamers, not their grandmas.

 

[Perkel]

But on top of bad AI, from what I've read, it doesn't even have difficulty settings.

- Diverse missions that fit into setting instead of throwing you on mission just because.
- Game for veterans is rather easy if you know few tricks. Still for new players whole campaign is awesome imo.
- There are different def settings but only for skirmish (free battles between missions) which are ton of fun (different enemy placement) and there is new game+ which i think makes campaign hard mode (if i remember this right)

Generally VC main + is that it is created with diverse tactics in mind and proper encounter design.

From one mission to another you are doing something different instead of fighting different dudes with different equipment.
20 turn timelimit + reinforcements forces you to take action instead of lets say camp and try to take other dudes via their bad AI.

Also PC version has AWESOME BUG, Because of how damage is based on framerate it makes counter fire much more lethal which essentially fixes problem with scouts being overpowered (as they now reallly go down fast).

Also story itself has more to do with Legend of Galactic heroes than your shitty animu teens saving the word which is definitely + considering it comes from japan. Though game has rather whimsical tone.
Still imo it is much more interesting taking part in war from small squad point of view doing special missions than full on battalion.

as of def for first time players. Game definitely has harder missions than require you to change tactics from time to time.

 

[Grinolf]

new game+ which i think makes campaign hard mode (if i remember this right)

No additional difficulty for a campaign.

20 turn timelimit + reinforcements forces you to take action instead of lets say camp and try to take other dudes via their bad AI.

20 turns limit is non issue. Also non-reinforcements enemies don't tend to leave their places at all, making this tactics useless in the first place.

Also PC version has AWESOME BUG, Because of how damage is based on framerate it makes counter fire much more lethal which essentially fixes problem with scouts being overpowered (as they now reallly go down fast).

Isn't it was fixed already?

Also story itself has more to do with Legend of Galactic heroes

Please, stop this nonsense. It has nothing to do with LotG be that quality of writing, themes or scale of events. Nor it covers "deep" and "mature" topics. Don't embarrass yourself claiming otherwise.

 

[Arthandas]

Also PC version has AWESOME BUG, Because of how damage is based on framerate it makes counter fire much more lethal which essentially fixes problem with scouts being overpowered (as they now reallly go down fast).

I talked about it two posts ago, it's fixed but can probably be unfixed by using older exe, I didn't investigate that yet.

 

[Perkel]

Please, stop this nonsense. It has nothing to do with LotG be that quality of writing, themes or scale of events. Nor it covers "deep" and "mature" topics. Don't embarrass yourself claiming otherwise.

Reading comprehension... how does it work ?
I said this game has more to do with LotGH than your shitty animu not that it is on level of LotGH

I didn't also say that 20 turn limit is an issue. It simply forces new players to play fast instead of hole itself and move slowly. This works well with reinforcements so this effectively teaches new players "gotta go fast"


edit:
we can clearly see inspiration from LotGH in main protagonist and antagonist. They are basically wenli and reinhard down to looks and behavior.

 

[Grinolf]

Reading comprehension... how does it work ?
I said this game has more to do with LotGH than your shitty animu

No it's not, as VC has nothing to do with LotGH. Nothing like zero. So it can't be "more" unless you use negative values zero. So don't bring LotGH to the subject, as it's really annoying.

I didn't also say that 20 turn limit is an issue. It simply forces new players to play fast instead of hole itself and move slowly. This works well with reinforcements so this effectively teaches new players "gotta go fast"

By game standards completing mission in 10-12 turns is already very slow. I can't imagine what one need to do to take a whole 20 turns on one mission. If the limit was like 12 turns, that would be a reasonable point to make, but definitely not 20.

we can clearly see inspiration from LotGH in main protagonist and antagonist. They are basically wenli and reinhard down to looks and behavior.

Similiarities end on one being carefree pacifist and other being an ambitious blonde leading german like country. But first one has very little character to make a further comparison and second one is in fact rather opposite than similiar to Reinhard.
Upd: Also Reinhard is no less protagonist than Wenli. They are antagonistic to each other, but series leave vievers to decide for themself who they want to root for, presenting both of them in sympathetic light and making them have their own valid points. Wenli actually acknowledges Reinhard as a very good ruler. It's clearly opposite to VC, where good and bad guys are clear.

 

[Perkel]

we can clearly see inspiration from LotGH in main protagonist and antagonist. They are basically wenli and reinhard down to looks and behavior.

Similiarities end on one being carefree pacifist and other being an ambitious blonde leading german like country. But first one has very little character to make a further comparison and second one is in fact rather opposite than similiar to Reinhard.

Like i said this is why this has more to do with LotGH than your shitty animu. Game has more to do with LoGH and its type of storytelling/characters than your shitty animu.
Just because LotGH is soo good and VC is not that good doesn't invalidate it.

Deal with it.

 

[Grinolf]

Just because LotGH is soo good and VC is not that good doesn't invalidate it.

But it's not even good. Even wiithout LotGH comparisons and judjing by viseo games standards.

 

[abnaxus]

Also PC version has AWESOME BUG, Because of how damage is based on framerate it makes counter fire much more lethal which essentially fixes problem with scouts being overpowered (as they now reallly go down fast).

That was fixed so game is no longer worth playing.

 

[Athelas]

Quick Google search didn't produce any AI/balance mods and according to NeoGaf, they patched the bug that actually made the game more challenging and fixed the scout rush exploit. Maybe I'll go deeper and search for the files responsible for that particular "fix" so I could unpatch it.

Maybe you should try out the game before planning elaborate patching and modding strategies in advance.

 

[Arthandas]

If it was a possibility I would do so. Also using older exe is totally elaborate patching and modding.

 

[Lerk]

Maybe you should try out the game before planning elaborate patching and modding strategies in advance.

If it was a possibility I would do so. Also using older exe is totally elaborate patching and modding.

WHOOSH <-- the point









<-- your head

 

[Arthandas]

I'm assuming you're trying to be funny. Well... at least you tried.

 

[Lerk]

Okay, I'll bite.

You are getting anal about the "difficulty" and "imbalance" of a game you have never played, based on "stuff you've read on the internet".

Here's some random stuff I've read, on the internet, about other games:

- Torment is boring, too much reading

- Dark Souls is TOO HARD TOO PUNISHING WAAAAAH

- Skyrim, best RPG evah, 10/10

...having PLAYED the above games, each of the above is horseshit - in my opinion.

Or in other words; play the game, then you can form your own opinion. Amazing, right?

Or, keep whining about Valkyria difficulty being downtuned for the

fuckin casul

without ever having played it.

Which is apparently a far better waste of your time

Herpa derp.

 

[Arthandas]

Okay, I'll bite.

I won't.