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The Witcher 1 Thread

Texas Red

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Markman said:
Its a story driven action RPGI'd call it a RPG with balls, like Fallout, PS:T and Revenant.

Its not an action RPG. In the outskirts you do some fighting, but once you reach Vizima you will mostly have to do talking with a bit of combat here and there. Seriously, as I said before there is 10 times less combat than in NWN 2. And you dont face a horde of enemies as well, quite often its only a single opponent, sometimes more.
 

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So i ain't getting laid because i'm not 'nice' or 'interesting' enough? Aren't those qualities usually ascribed to those who fail?

Hahaha, you utter boring cunt. So you getting any?


But i'm not denouncing anything, i'm calling you a faggot for touting it's qualities on account of it's nerd fap appeal.

Was I?

IMO I made it pretty clear that I liked the game because of the atmosphere, the choice and consequences, the interesting and at least for games rather mature setting and the gameplay. Though not everything is great (some dialogues and cutscenes, the shit loading times) the game has me seriously hooked. The erotica is a bit daft, but really doesn't bother me at all. My girlfriend had a great laugh looking at the pictures in the art book, and that was about all. If you're looking for fap material I still advice youporn or imagefap.

It's well and good the Codex likes this game, i'm just not impressed by the reasoning behind this seemingly enthusiastic reception. Are you sure you guys aren't being lulled by empty gimmicks?

Seriously, just torrent it and try it out for awhile. If you like rpg's, there's a big chance you'll like it and go out and buy it. If not delete it and bitch about it here.

I'm thinking of picking up one of The Witcher, Mask of the Betrayer, or Bioshock. Which one would you say has the best story? (which is the most important element of games to me)

Well, even though I like Bioshock it feels a lot like a more pretty but dumbed down System Shock 2. The story is fun but extremely linear and the action feels good. Still, MOTB is far more interesting storywise and it's an actuall rpg with many choices that lead to different outcomes. The witcher's story is cool and I've been absolutely hooked on it. There are plenty of different outcomes due to the many decisions you can make. Dunno, all three games are nice but very different.

If you want an action game with a nice story, go for Bioshock. If you want a deep DnD rpg with a great story go for MOTB and if you want a great action rpg with lots of cool choices go for the Witcher.


Anyway, back on topic. For me both the witcher and motb are great games and the best rpg's in ages. Motb offers more roleplaying through dialogue and party interaction. The story is also a bit more "epic" with all the planewalking and such. In all honesty though I had more fun with the witcher. Mostly because it just plays better, has more intuitive gameplay and the setting appeals more to me. Still, both are great games in their own right and well worth getting.
 

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Jaime Lannister said:
I'm thinking of picking up one of The Witcher, Mask of the Betrayer, or Bioshock. Which one would you say has the best story? (which is the most important element of games to me)

Seems like MotB from the Codex so far. You have to take into account the many Polish plants on the forum hyping "their" game beyond belief. I mean, MotB's story impressed even VD, an ancient soldier who has been to Vietnam and back and who sailed the seven seas.

Edit: Trash, stop advocating piracy. I thought we had some rule change regarding that. Surely with "torrent" you meant "download the demo when it comes out".
 

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Seems like MotB from the Codex so far. You have to take into account the many Polish plants on the forum hyping "their" game beyond belief. I mean, MotB's story impressed even VD, an ancient soldier who has been to Vietnam and back and who sailed the seven seas.

They're both great. Personally the witcher has been more "fun" to play though.

Edit: Trash, stop advocating piracy. I thought we had some rule change regarding that. Surely with "torrent" you meant "download the demo when it comes out".

Piss off. I suggested him to try it out and buy it if he likes it. You taking the moral high ground is getting boring furfag.
 

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Damn straight. You wouldn't buy a car without kicking the tires, so why should games be different?
 

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Not this again. No. You piss off. Damn pirating assholes, bloody lot. That's no "moral highground". It's complaining about a crime and that's my bloody right, to complain about Trash advocating another Codexer to actually commit a crime.

Norfleet: reviews. Demos. Friends who'll let you play their copy.

Edit: bloody hell this place needs a "no piracy" rule. Yeah, I know we got one everybody ignores because admins don't care or notice, but I meant one that is actually enforced.
 

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Fuck you, again derailing the thread with a stupid discussion that has been done countless times before. It's a beaten horse chump. Shall we please try and keep it about the game? One that I've been heartily recommending and would like to sell very well?
 

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Fine! But keep it in mind. I am pretty sure they decided to keep an eye open for piracy advocating as of late, so keep it down or to PMs, okay? I know I am annoying, but if I don't say this, no one will, on the Codex.

All right. Witcher.

So, how's the combat? Is it too twitchy for the average Codexer aged 60?
 

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Jasede said:
Norfleet: reviews. Demos. Friends who'll let you play their copy.
Reviews are bought. The only honest review is a bad review, which only tells you NOT to buy it. Why should you trust the word of an obvious shill? Demos are rigged. They either include only the first part of the game, which tells you nothing at all, or they include only the best part of the game. Sometimes, the demo isn't even related to the game, other than that it happens to share a similar engine! And "friends" is a circular logic loop. If you're unwilling to get the game without trying it first, why should they? Someone has to be first. Unless your friends are stupid. I dunno about you, but I don't keep idiots as friends. Besides, you're talking to the Codex. Do people here even HAVE friends?
 

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Markman said:
Play the game to get the storyline, yo. Not bad at all.

So far Im up to the Beast fight, bastard killed me 2 times, I'll get him tonight.

Love the game, especially the atmosphere and the fact that theres no classic "good or evil" shit.
Loved the lynch mob scenario, combat is so-so, but the finishing moves kicks ass.
Its a story driven action RPG, but it has that good feeling to it that was missing from the genre.
I'd call it a RPG with balls, like Fallout, PS:T and Revenant.

Revenant? What in the world did that game do that makes it deserve to be mentioned alongside Fallout and PST?
 

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The combat is action based. With timed sword attacks, evading attacks and using signs (aka spells) at the right time. It feels like a mix of diablo and gothic. It's a lot smoother and easier to pick up than gothics butchering though. It's also possible to use a tap view (making it even more like diablo) or using an over the shoulder view that feels a bit more like gothic's combat.

It's pretty intuitive and easy to pick up. You select a weapon and in case of one of the two witcher swords a weapon style suitable to the type and number of enemies. You have timed attacks, which boils down to clicking when the sword is flaming which deal more damage. In some combats you have to move around a lot and dodge quite a lot of attacks. You do this by double tapping the wasd keys. If you have the chance and stamina you can also fire of spells that do various nasty things to your enemies. All in all it's quite immersive and for me a lot of fun. It can also be bloody hard sometimes.


PS My goddamn Geralt seems to be stuck on one finishing move. Normally he finishes stunned enemies in an amusing variety of ways. Lately however never deviates from the standard sword swing. I miss his acrobatics. Anyone else has this?



I know I am annoying, but if I don't say this, no one will, on the Codex.

That's what I meant with the moral high ground. Oh well.
 
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Holy fuck, who made Jasede the goddamn deputy of this place?
Jasede, youre whining about every goddamn thing and acting like a self-appointed Gestapo agent in almost every thread I read.

I dont want to be mean or so, but the way your posting style has changed in the recent weeks strongly suggests that your mental condition has become worse. Get a break from your computer, seriously.

Been playing the game a bit yesterday. Art, music and atmosphere are very nice. Polish VOs are kinda, I dunno, mediacore. Expected something better. Only managed to finish the tutorial, which was too combat and cut-scene heavy and a bit boring. But hey, its a tutorial so reading your reviews here I expect the game to get better after it.

Runs suprisingly fluent on my computer, except when playing those damn cutscenes.

The choice (i think it was one?) to either go to the laboratory or to fight the monster (I didnt try both ways but I suppose when you go fighting the monster someone other than Leo dies?) was presented in a too cinematic, pick-your-own adventure way. Dunno if anyone knows what I mean, but there's much truth in VDs statement that c&c should be plenty, but they shouldnt be too obvious to find.
I didn't like the whole cutscene thing with the old dude explaining you that "ITZ YOUR CHOIZE...*hint**hint* game affecting choice before you". They should have left the cutscene out, leaving it to the player to discover that there is a branching choice in this moment.

Its not a big deal for me as I have kinda expected this before, but I think MoTB will be much stronger when it comes to real RPGish, Fallouty C&C.

Eh well, just finished the tutorial as I said, so cant really comment further. Art and music are nice, rest we will see.
 

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How does torrenting matter if you buy it afterwards?

I dunno, theft of intellectual property maybe? Depriving the owners of that IP of their right to decide whether to release a demo? The fact that you might not buy it after you pirate and play it? (if you're definitely going to buy it, then there's no need to steal it first, right?).

Okay, maybe you're unwilling to buy if you can't try first. So don't buy it. Your choice, the consequence is that you don't get to play it.
 

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Jasede, please go away. This is the second time you've tried to derail this thread with your kindergarten bible morals.

I'm new here but fuck you! Actually world imho would be better place if more people think like Jasede. Im not catholic or other fanatic, i dont read bible/koran/tora/whatever all day long,actually i dont give a fuck about religion, i dont feel offended by porn - im downloading tons of it, BUT i also can't agree with hedonistic way of life where everyone is fuckin everyone and where fucking is nothing more than fucking, no matter who you fuck or who fucks you. I'M TIRED with all that sex coming from everywhere - from Tv spots, billiboards, press... sex here, sex there - this makes us sex-oriented idiots, we are 24/7 injected with sex, big companies manipulate us so when we're going shoping we think with our penises/vaginas/whatever - 99% of commercials are sex-soaking. ADMIT IT - playing The Witcher most of the time you think how to fuck next girl - ADMIT IT!! - dont you realise that CDPR made utter morons of us!?

Besides... Whats wrong with morality?! Why you react so aggressively to Jasede's beliefs?? Maybe you have a problem? And how dare you asking someone to leave because he or she has different opinion?? FUCK YOURSELF WELL!

ps. It quite possible that Jasede has 100x more sex in life than all of you criticising her/him together - maybe thats why you're so angry? Thinking of sex most of the time, but only capable of doing it with your own hand?
 

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I have a few questions:

1. The meteorites dont upgrade your existing sword, right? When you have 3 meteors, a new sword will appear in the inventory of the blacksmiths? Should I just throw away my Witcher sword?

2. How the heck do you apply runes to a sword?!

3. It seems everything besides your sword is quite pointless. The damage is significantly larger with my styles and the only thing going for the other weapons is their special traits, such as 40% of knockdown or some such. So, pointless?

4. How long is TW? I heard the number "80 hours with sidequests". Will there be other cities besides Vizima?

5. Sometimes when I fight enemies, friendly people will come to my side but I can accidentally harm them and they turn "red". If I just kill a bunch of peasent or guards, does it affect anything?
 

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ADMIT IT - playing The Witcher most of the time you think how to fuck next girl - ADMIT IT!!

shit, you're right. That's what I think about most of the time... and I haven't even played The Witcher.
 

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indigo said:
. ADMIT IT - playing The Witcher most of the time you think how to fuck next girl - ADMIT IT!! - dont you realise that CDPR made utter morons of us!?

I have to assume you're a troll, so I'm not going to argue with this too much. Obviously, if you're not trolling then you're a fuckwad. Fact.

As for the combat: it bears the most similarity to Gothic, in that it's all about combos, and execution of some combos relies upon the character having invested in certain skills. However, it cuts back drastically on the twitch factor of Gothic, and you won't be able to beat the game without investing any skill by simply committing a certain pattern to muscle memory. A single click executes a combo, and a click as that combo is finishing will chain another, more advanced (and powerful) combo to that. Geralt parries and dodges automatically (dependent on character skill) but you can manually execute rolls, dodges, spins around opponents, and flips over their heads. (This has tactical/strategic use, in terms of putting you in the optimal position versus multiple foes, rather than being used to dodge individual blows.) There are three combat styles (fast, strong, and group) for each type of sword (steel for humans and silver for supernatural enemies).

It's the best realtime combat system I've seen in an RPG. If a game isn't going to go turn-based, I prefer a real, honest-to-god real-time system with some balls instead of stupid real-time-with-pause. (The Witcher has "active pause," which allows you to switch sword styles or begin drinking a potion, but doesn't allow you to queue up attacks . . . it really just lets you get around any interface awkwardness.) Character skill is most important, but the player has to have an active role in the combat, which is best I think. There are sufficient tactical options to keep things interesting, especially when playing at the hard difficulty level (strongly recommended, although even medium is reasonably challenging) and combined with the genuinely wonderful alchemy system. There are a variety of potions with powerful effects that are absolutely required to win battles on hard and quite important on medium, making alchemy integral to the combat experience (indeed, alchemy is integral to the plot as well . . . you start on the main plot after nefarious forces steal some alchemical formulae). There are also five magic signs, each of which has two possible effects, and which are designed to synergize with sword combat rather than replace it. (Example: use the Aard sign to stun/knockdown nearby enemies and then finish them with a single sword blow, or to blast away half of a group of enemies to give you room to maneuver and kill the ones who remain.) You have the option of using an "isometric" view or an over-the-shoulder view: iso is somewhat easier, OTS is more visceral (although both look great, due to the high-quality motion-captured animations).

Another nice thing is that there's a surprisingly reasonable amount of combat for a game billed as an Action RPG. Much less than in most recent "true RPGs," especially for quests related to the main plot. You could get through the game without actually killing too many people/creatures, although typically you'll want to do so because it's fun and the bounties are important so you can afford all the books you're going to want to read.
 

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The worst thing about Jasede isn't his whiny, sniveling e-persona, but rather his constant sucking up to the admins (i.e. VD) in order to make his ridiculous complaints seem legitimate.
 

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indigo said:
ADMIT IT - playing The Witcher most of the time you think how to fuck next girl - ADMIT IT!!

Goddamn, you found me out. If only it wasn't because of those meddling kids.


1. The meteorites dont upgrade your existing sword, right? When you have 3 meteors, a new sword will appear in the inventory of the blacksmiths? Should I just throw away my Witcher sword?

Nah, you need to speak to the black smith and he upgrades the sword you have in your inventory. Didn't try it out without one equipped though.

2. How the heck do you apply runes to a sword?!

Through the blacksmith. Though i'm a bit hazy about it. Restarted my game at that point (decided I didn't want to rush through the game)

3. It seems everything besides your sword is quite pointless. The damage is significantly larger with my styles and the only thing going for the other weapons is their special traits, such as 40% of knockdown or some such. So, pointless?

Not always, though I seldom use anything but the witcher weapons. A torch is handy in a dungeon. Axes usually are pretty good damage dealers that have nasty side effects.

4. How long is TW? I heard the number "80 hours with sidequests". Will there be other cities besides Vizima?

Vizima is the only big city as far as I see (from the map). But there seem to be plenty of areas to play through the games 6 acts. So far I played for over 15 hours in the outskirts and prologue alone. Then again, I'm taking my time exploring every nook and cranny.

5. Sometimes when I fight enemies, friendly people will come to my side but I can accidentally harm them and they turn "red". If I just kill a bunch of peasent or guards, does it affect anything?

Haven't had this personally. Lots of stuff seems to have repercussions in one way or the other, so I wouldn't be surprised.
 

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The Walkin' Dude said:
I have a few questions:

1. The meteorites dont upgrade your existing sword, right? When you have 3 meteors, a new sword will appear in the inventory of the blacksmiths? Should I just throw away my Witcher sword?

2. How the heck do you apply runes to a sword?!

3. It seems everything besides your sword is quite pointless. The damage is significantly larger with my styles and the only thing going for the other weapons is their special traits, such as 40% of knockdown or some such. So, pointless?

4. How long is TW? I heard the number "80 hours with sidequests". Will there be other cities besides Vizima?

5. Sometimes when I fight enemies, friendly people will come to my side but I can accidentally harm them and they turn "red". If I just kill a bunch of peasent or guards, does it affect anything?

1) I don't remember for sure how this works. I only did it once . . . I think that even though the other swords appear in the blacksmith's inventory, you actually lose your Witcher's sword in the process (i.e., it gets reforged). If you try this, could you post what actually happens? I can't remember, and I don't think I have a save in a position to check.

2) Runes can only be applied to silver swords. You won't be able to apply them until you have access to the trade quarter of Vizima in Act 3.

3) Torches are useful (they go in the small weapons slot) for light when you don't want to waste a Cat potion and also because they seem to have a higher "incinerate" chance than their stats indicate.This is mostly only useful before you get access to Igni, but can be useful afterwards if you don't want to waste endurance. They're great versus plants - for most of the game, you'll kill plants more easily with a torch than with a sword (unless you get the skills that give you extra sword damage versus incinerated enemies . . . then you'll want to get them burning with a torch and then switch to the sword). You can find some good small axes, too, with a high chance to remove enemies' shields - can be useful later in the game. Similarly, there are some nice daggers with high chances of critical effects. They're all useful only tactically, and won't replace your swords, but are nice to have anyway. As for the large weapons . . . these really do seem to be pretty useless. However, you can keep an extra steel sword in this slot, which is what I did. That way I had access to two different steel swords with different critical effects, and could choose the best one for the situation. Your Witcher skills still apply to a steel sword in this slot.

4) I would say more like 60 hours with sidequests, but I think it depends on how you play. There are no other real cities, although of course there are other locations. Also, based on your other questions, I don't think you've seen all of Vizima yet. It's pretty huge, and you're initially restricted to one section due to the quarantine.

5) Not sure, I never did that. I suspect it's not a big deal, but I could be wrong.
 

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The thing with forging weapons... A new weapon appeared in the inventory of the blacksmith and when I bought it, all of my meteroites disappeared. I got a completely new sword and the old one remained. Thats why Im asking.

I still would like an answer to the rune question. I havent discovered any means to apply them to swords through blacksmiths.

Another question: In the tutorial my Geralt did lots of cool finishing moves. After it I havent got a single one(except when I knock them down with that sign magick). What gives? I have never stunned or knocked them down after the tutorial.

EDIT: Ok, got the answer to the rune thing. Thanks.
 

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Weapons other than swords can be useful; torches are great against archeospores and other 'flammable' monsters, axes against people with shields and armor, and weapons that cause stun/pain might be useful for some fighting styles i think. Also, I heard that some igredients are delicate, and they can only be extracted if you immobilise a monster and kill it with a knife - though I didn't test that yet. Also, there are some really mean looking finishers with some weapons (daggers especially).

I'm still using swords 95% of the time, though.
 

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